I Hope You Commie Pukes are Watching - Colin Powell's Presen [Archive]

Capitalist Imperial

5th February 2003, 17:42

Quote: from James on 5:19 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
ok CI. I've just flicked through my 5 channels. I've got Childrens thing, snooker, some farm thing, childrens, and some film. We can't all afford 5000000 channels. So please state some of these facts.

And try to do it without calling anyone names.

oh and CI. Its part of a new policy of keeping OI a working forum. If a thread is shit-chat quality, it will get moved to chit chat. If you arn't allowed to view Chit-Chat, then hard luck. Maybe you should be nicer to people...
So my advise is keep topics clean, intelligent and on topic.

Ok CI?
And i'm serious, but if you've got any queries, ideas etc just say or PM me.

Fine, I suppose I must submit to your authoritarian whims if I am to continue to post here and bring the truth to the misguded.

However, let the record reflect that I consider this action to be the use of the classic commmunist tenet of censorship in the strictest sense.

By the way, check foxnews.com, I'm sure they have a summary of the proceedings.

James

5th February 2003, 17:59

thank you, whilst i'm reading - have you heard about the leaked MoD document concerning Iraq and Al Q?

James

5th February 2003, 18:07

ok, i can't see these pics too well. You got a better source? I can't read the writing...

Tape Recordings, ok so if i played a recording of GWB and Colin Powel talking about killing millions in a pointless war - would you believe it? Tapes arn't that substantial.

Pictures, again - they are easily faked. Do you believe in all those UFO's, lock ness monsters etc?

If there are these WOMD, howcome it took ages for us to see "the evidence", and why can't you find it?
If this is real evidence, it would have been passed on to the weapons insepectors so that they could find these weapons; and then there could be a war.

Capitalist Imperial

5th February 2003, 18:26

Quote: from James on 6:07 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
ok, i can't see these pics too well. You got a better source? I can't read the writing...

Tape Recordings, ok so if i played a recording of GWB and Colin Powel talking about killing millions in a pointless war - would you believe it? Tapes arn't that substantial.

They are if they are intercepted transmissions of republican guard officials obviusly discussing "evacuation" of things in anticipation of weapons inspectors

"Pictures, again - they are easily faked. Do you believe in all those UFO's, lock ness monsters etc?"

OK, james, then if this is your position, then no proof will be sufficient, because it is all "doctored"

"If there are these WOMD, howcome it took ages for us to see "the evidence", and why can't you find it?"

becausethe bush administration was compiling it over time, and there are not enough inspectors in Iraq to keep up with iraq's movements of the weapons and documents

"If this is real evidence, it would have been passed on to the weapons insepectors so that they could find these weapons; and then there could be a war."

No, because the iraqis know when inspectors are coming, and they move the weapons

James,if you are just going to split hairs with me on all of this legitimate proof, then why are we even discussing this?

It is time for action. proof has been submitted, the invasion is imminent

oh, come on, James, you are in denial!

"Tape Recordings, ok so if i played a recording of GWB and Colin Powel talking about killing millions in a pointless war - would you believe it? Tapes arn't that substantial."

when they are intercepted recordings of

Capitalist Imperial

5th February 2003, 18:32

[quote]Quote: from James on 6:07 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
ok, i can't see these pics too well. You got a better source? I can't read the writing...

Tape Recordings, ok so if i played a recording of GWB and Colin Powel talking about killing millions in a pointless war - would you believe it? Tapes arn't that substantial.

They are if they are intercepted transmissions of republican guard officials obviusly discussing "evacuation" of things in anticipation of weapons inspectors

"Pictures, again - they are easily faked. Do you believe in all those UFO's, lock ness monsters etc?"

OK, james, then if this is your position, then no proof will be sufficient, because it is all "doctored"

"If there are these WOMD, howcome it took ages for us to see "the evidence", and why can't you find it?"

becausethe bush administration was compiling it over time, and there are not enough inspectors in Iraq to keep up with iraq's movements of the weapons and documents

"If this is real evidence, it would have been passed on to the weapons insepectors so that they could find these weapons; and then there could be a war."

No, because the iraqis know when inspectors are coming, and they move the weapons

James,if you are just going to split hairs with me on all of this legitimate proof, then why are we even discussing this?

It is time for action. proof has been submitted, the invasion is imminent

James

5th February 2003, 18:33

if i said it was

Saint-Just

5th February 2003, 18:37

Give people this evidence and your interpretation of it, we don't debate here by telling people to watch the TV.

Disgustipated

5th February 2003, 18:50

CI

Fox news? Are you kidding? What did they pre-emt wrestlemania or stock car racing to break the news? Why not just have Ari Fleisher read it. All the "news" presented on Fox is mostly press releases from the White House anyway.

But...if Fox and Colin Powell say it's true it must be. I mean, it's not like the news or politicians ever lie to further their agendas.

Wake up. Besides...who gives a fuck if Iraq has weapons of mass destruction. Who doesn't? They don't have the ordinance to get it here, so why do you care so much? Must of their WMD were given to them by the US anyway.

Why don't you run home to your trailer and pop another Budweiser.

James

5th February 2003, 19:04

They are if they are intercepted transmissions of republican guard officials obviusly discussing "evacuation" of things in anticipation of weapons inspectors

Erm, yes. I can just say my tapes are from the white house.
OK, james, then if this is your position, then no proof will be sufficient, because it is all "doctored" ... becausethe bush administration was compiling it over time, and there are not enough inspectors in Iraq to keep up with iraq's movements of the weapons and documents ... No, because the iraqis know when inspectors are coming, and they move the weapons

Bush said a LONG time ago that he had "seen the proof". Why wasn't this shown to the community?

None of this evidence was given to the weapons inspectors - why?
True if Saddam has men inside the UN or something, then sure he'll know where they are going. But if he's as i suspect, and doesnt - then how does he know "they" are coming?
With all the tech in America, there should be more substantial proof.

This is a WAR CI. Not a game. People are GOING TO DIE. This is why the proof has to be good enough to prove to the people of the world that he has WOMD, is using them and has links to Al-Q.

Which funnilly enough, he doesn't.

Capitalist Imperial

5th February 2003, 19:26

Whatever. Even in the face of undenyable proof, you commies are just going to deny, deny, deny.

You will accuse the evidence of geing faked or doctored.

You will question the source.

You will make stereotypical and ignorant, albeit ill-informed, attacks on me (i.e. "trailer" and "budwiser").

You will do anything to refute solid evidence because that action fits better with your anti-US agenda that merely conceding that the proof is there.

I am through arguing about this, because doing so is like talking to a wall. You are all pathetic.

Fortunately, the few individuals with a shred of lucidity and common sense will see that the proof is there, the pending invasion is just, and will proceed accordingly.

thursday night

5th February 2003, 20:03

Perhaps Iraq does have a few weapons of mass destruction...

Well, who cares? That hardly justifies war.

James

5th February 2003, 20:28

Whatever. Even in the face of undenyable proof, you commies are just going to deny, deny, deny.

Thats because its not 100% CI.

You will accuse the evidence of geing faked or doctored.

Now CI, can you prove that it isn't?

You will question the source.

Its called being objective. The US wants war - the US then comes up with this "evidence". Is the US going to be objective? Or slightly biased?

You will make stereotypical and ignorant, albeit ill-informed, attacks

Such as,
"you commies are just going to"
"You Commie Pukes"
"James, you are in denial!"
"you weak sucks"
"your anti-American agenda"
"You are all pathetic"
In this thread alone (by you of course)

You will do anything to refute solid evidence because that action fits better with your anti-US agenda that merely conceding that the proof is there.

And you will believe anything Mr Bush etc will tell you.
This is called scrutiny of the evidence. If its 100% it should easily stand up to it. However...

I am through arguing about this, because doing so is like talking to a wall. You are all pathetic.

You havn't really made any arguments yet. Have you.

You can't proof the evidence is correct, or even valid. In fact you havn't really answered any of my points. You've just made sweeping statements, that you complain others of doing.

Fortunately, the few individuals with a shred of lucidity and common sense will see that the proof is there, the pending invasion is just, and will proceed accordingly.

Translates as -> the few patriotic pro-americans will soak up this "evidence" with no questions asked. Bravely doing their bit for the cause...

James

5th February 2003, 20:36

And lets have some more proof. And proof that is hard evidence.

What have the weapons inspectors found, even with the best intelligence agencies of the best most advanced countries directing them?

Well nothing. They have found no weapons of mass destruction. Of course Bushites would argue "thats because he keeps moving them around" - yet the rational human then asks - "so? You have all these satelites, planes etc etc, and you can't see these beeing moved. Either they don't exist, or you don't direct the inspectors to them; so that actual evidence can be found. Seeing that its in the Bushites best interests to find actual WOMD, we must conclude that these WOMD are works of fiction."

James

5th February 2003, 21:28

and i've noticed CI has chosen to not answer one of my questions.

(relating to the leaked MoD doc today, on Iraq and links with Al-Q)

Tkinter1

5th February 2003, 21:33

"What have the weapons inspectors found, even with the best intelligence agencies of the best most advanced countries directing them?

Well nothing. They have found no weapons of mass destruction. Of course Bushites would argue "thats because he keeps moving them around" - yet the rational human then asks - "so? You have all these satelites, planes etc etc, and you can't see these beeing moved. Either they don't exist, or you don't direct the inspectors to them; so that actual evidence can be found. Seeing that its in the Bushites best interests to find actual WOMD, we must conclude that these WOMD are works of fiction.""

No james. Satellites are oribiting our earth at thousands of miles per hour, and can't be at any place at any time. It's not like the movies where they zoom in and catch the bad guys in action. And our best planes can't be there all the time. saddam has used WMD before this so why wouldn't he have, and use them again?

Tkinter1

5th February 2003, 21:34

And you never know about that "leaked MoD doc" coulda' been faked.

The Sniper

5th February 2003, 21:50

Ok ok U really arnt making sense TK (Saddam used "WoMD" suppyed by the US against the Kurds before by gasing them. What are u suggesting he does invite Bush and Blair over for a shower in a bunker, come on start thinking). Im not gonna try and defend Saddam he is a really nasty peice of work and if there was a quick way to remove him and impose elections, without destroying Iraqs economy, killing thousands of ppl and enbittering the Islamic world against the West for hundreds of years, then ied be all for it!!! But the truth is there isnt a magic wand u can wave to depose him and change a regieme, its just not gonna happen.

The thing is I would really and truly like to hear your motives for going to war, TK and CI because i would like to see actually why u belive a war is soo important??

Capitalist Imperial

5th February 2003, 22:38

OK, here is what so many leftists on this board fail to understand:

Iraq was considered in material breech the day that the UN security council resolution was passed.

I will say it three more times:

Iraq was considered in material breech the day that the UN security council resolution was passed.

Iraq was considered in material breech the day that the UN security council resolution was passed.

Iraq was considered in material breech the day that the UN security council resolution was passed.

Iraq had known stores of bio/chem weapons, and working weapons programs, at the time that they kicked UN inspectors out of the country.

Per the security council resolution,the burden of proof is on IRAQ to show that they have dimantled their weapons and weapons programs.

OK, lets go over this, say it with me:

the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ

Yet, they have offered no such proof of their weapons or weapons programs being dimantled.

So, not only is the burden of proof not on the US, but the US still furnished proof of Iraqi concealment of WMD's anyway.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

Regime change is imminent.

Tkinter1

5th February 2003, 23:35

"Ok ok U really arnt making sense TK (Saddam used "WoMD" suppyed by the US against the Kurds before by gasing them."

So what does that mean? They should let him continue manufacturing them? It was a mistake to facilitate his chemical weapons programs(in the 80's when he was an ally).

"Saddam he is a really nasty peice of work and if there was a quick way to remove him and impose elections, without destroying Iraqs economy, killing thousands of ppl and enbittering the Islamic world against the West for hundreds of years, then ied be all for it!!!"

The plan isn't to go in and wipe out every last living thing. When we go in, we would join forces with local opposition and oust Saddam and his men.
And their economy isn't exactly stable and productive, if anything we'd be helping their it...after the war ends.

"But the truth is there isnt a magic wand u can wave to depose him and change a regieme, its just not gonna happen."

NO?! Are you sure?!?

Capitalist Imperial

6th February 2003, 00:08

Quote: from The Sniper on 9:50 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
But the truth is there isnt a magic wand u can wave to depose him and change a regieme, its just not gonna happen.

We've done it plenty of times before in south america and the middle east.

And we do have a magic wand, a 120mm smoothbore magic wand attached to an A2M1 Abrams

ID2002

6th February 2003, 01:15

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:49 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
Here it is, you weak sucks, just as I promised.

The gun is bellowing smoke right before our eyes.

What will be you excuse to serve your anti-American agenda and demand that the US not attack Iraq now?

Well, it doesn't matter. The Bush administration aleady had the benefit of the information currently being dissemnated, and the staging process has begun.

Kick the tires and light the fires, its time to get this party started.

Regime change is the only option

Eradication of the current Iraqi government is imminent.

The liberation of the Iraqi people and the safety of the region must realized, and as an incidental benefit, America's petroleum interests in Iraq will be secured.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY, your country would be so stupid to stirr up a honets nest. Fuck, I feel bad for those Americans who are going to be the NEXT victims of a suicide terrorist attack in your country. Do you and your country NOT learn a damn thing about 9/11? It is because of this type of action against the middle east that you fuel a RAGE against America and its people. Your country is heading down a DARK path.

Your a crazy, inhuman bastard if you think military action going to do anything positive. Deplomacy can work, and coming to agreements is better. Accusing and labelling fuels more militant splinter groups to hone in on America.

(Edited by ID2002 at 1:23 am on Feb. 6, 2003)

antieverything

6th February 2003, 02:25

I'll come right out and say it: I'm sure Iraq has or is attempting to gain weapons of mass destruction...but the evidence that the administration showed was not at all incriminating. Remember that Congress was shown fake satelite images of Iraqi troop buildups along the Saudi border before the first Gulf War. The pictures don't prove anything...you can show a picture of anything and say it is producing weapons of mass destruction. Trucks leaving a facility means nothing...trucks leave every grocery store in the world a few times a week and industry requires shipments as well. Those were some nifty drawings of mobile labs but they don't prove anything. The tape recording is laughable at best.

Seriously, I wanted to believe but the evidence that they showed us today was pure shit.

abstractmentality

6th February 2003, 03:14

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 2:38 pm on Feb. 5, 2003
OK, here is what so many leftists on this board fail to understand:

Iraq was considered in material breech the day that the UN security council resolution was passed.

Iraq had known stores of bio/chem weapons, and working weapons programs, at the time that they kicked UN inspectors out of the country.

Per the security council resolution,the burden of proof is on IRAQ to show that they have dimantled their weapons and weapons programs.

OK, lets go over this, say it with me:

the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ
the burden of proof is on IRAQ

Yet, they have offered no such proof of their weapons or weapons programs being dimantled.

So, not only is the burden of proof not on the US, but the US still furnished proof of Iraqi concealment of WMD's anyway.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW?

Regime change is imminent.

First off, you can go back to the NYT of the day the UN inspectors left, and it will tell you that they were NOT kicked out of Iraq, but rather left on their own.

second, its funny that only the united states and britain see Iraq in material breech, while china, russia, germany and france dont think they are in material breech.

thirdly, its also funny that in response to Powels "evidence," russia, china, france, and germany (i think) still think that this "evidence" should be backed up with inspectors evidence.

ID2002

6th February 2003, 06:37

Canada is trying to play a go between-----between Germany/France, and USA. It is opting for UN decisions.

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 07:11

If there are these WOMD, howcome it took ages for us to see "the evidence", and why can't you find it?
If this is real evidence, it would have been passed on to the weapons insepectors so that they could find these weapons; and then there could be a war.

Seeing as how UN intelligence seems to be leaking like a small pox pustule into the hands of the Iraqis, it would be very stupid for us to intrust our intelligence information with them. Our sources and methods would be compromised. Our human intelligence would be killed. Finally, we would be blinded to events occurring in Iraq. Since we are on the eve of war, it is easy to see how a lack of intelligence could cost us countless U.S. military casualties. What's more important to us, appeasing a bunch of European sissies, whose only concern seems to be their commercial ties to Iraq, or maintaining operatives in the field that will help conduct a successful war, when not if, we go to war with Iraq. The answer is clear. Saddam is a madman who must be stopped.

Interesting fact:

Did you know that their is not a single document that ties Hitler to the death camps in Europe. Yet, we all know the truth. Can't Saddam Hussien be compared to the threat Hitler posed? Shouldn't we have stopped Hitler before he could devastate all of Europe? Shouldn't we stop Hussien before he devastates his region of the world?

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 10:18 pm on Feb. 6, 2003)

Aleksander Nordby

6th February 2003, 08:07

If U$A attacks iraq, i hope that the iraqs soldiers kill so many fucking american soldiers they can.

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 08:35

First off, you can go back to the NYT of the day the UN inspectors left, and it will tell you that they were NOT kicked out of Iraq, but rather left on their own.

True, because Iraq impeded the inspection process so much that they determined it was impossible to do their job.

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 10:03

"The official said U.S. experts believe Iraq may have some capability for producing "dusty" biological agents. Dusty agents are toxins that are ground into very fine particles then chemically bonded to another lighter substance, generally silicate. They are more lethal because the lighter chemicals allow the particles to float more easily, increasing chances they'll be inhaled, and the smaller particles mean they can be inhaled deeper into the body." - From: Defenselink.mil (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2002/n12162002_200212164.html)

This article touches on one of the most dangerous concerns that exists about the Iraqi weapons programs. During the anthrax investigation following Sept. 11th, biochemists and biological warfare experts were extremely concerned about the properties of the material, which was being dispersed on a relatively small scale. Recall, the letter sent to Tom Dacle sparked great concern when the antrax contained inside demonstrated the ability to 'float'. In fact, this characteristic led to the classification of the anthrax as weaponized. Clearly it had been refined to exhibit such alarming behavior. First, the size of the individul particles were extremely fine, measured in microns. Secondly, a buffer of silicone was installed to lubricate the individual particles, as to minimize clumping, and allow for maximum dispersion.

New concerns over Iraq's sophistication in drying techniques, in conjuction with the arrest of 7 North Africans in Great Britain, for an apparent conspiracy to use the toxin known as ricin, which Iraq is known to have developed, demonstrates the absolute ticking time bomb that Iraq's bio-chemical warfare division represents. Both situations point to the probability that Iraq may be distributing its deadly weapons to terrorist organizations around the globe.

Far scarier is the proposition that "Iraq may have retained samples of the smallpox virus from a naturally occurring outbreak in that country in the early 1970s." Smallpox is a virus that has single handedly caused more deaths than any other disease throughout human history. Since the k-factor for this disease is unknown, due to irradication, and the possible release of a resistant stain, there is no telling what damage a release could cause. Death toll could tally into the millions, and the monetary expense of fighting an outbreak would be astronomical.

In light of all the evidence, the smoking gun that has been produced on the part of an intelligence success, and Iraq's unwillingness to comply, it is obvious why the Iraqi weapons program must be dismantled by force.

My favorite quote from the defenselink.mil source remains this one:

"Just like in a murder case," he said, "you hardly ever find the gun smoking, but you have plenty of other evidence."

Although it is a true statement, we are lucky enough to have found the smoking gun. Similar to the Mumia case the suspect was stupid enough to hold onto the smoking gun, even when they knew the cops were about to arrive. Well folks, we have found that smoking gun that so many demanded we produce. Not only have we busted Iraq moving materials, but everything the administration has been saying, with respect to Iraq's weapons, has proven itself to be true. This is evidenced by materials known to be manufactured by Iraq, in common to those who conspire to commit terrorist acts. Even the most modest observers have to recognize the Bush administration for eloquently expressing the reality of the threat we face. Anyone stating otherwise, is simply trying to deny the true danger that exists. It is time to act. The U.N. has been exposed for the hypocrtis that they are. If necessary the U.S. must act alone to diffuse an explosive situation, even if that means that the naked truth about the French, Chinese, and Russian role in Iraq's nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programs will embarass them on a world stage, so be it.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 10:13 pm on Feb. 6, 2003)

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 10:17

second, its funny that only the united states and britain see Iraq in material breech, while china, russia, germany and france dont think they are in material breech.

This thread provides an excellent answer to that very question. (http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/topic.pl?forum=22&topic=1505&start=0) It's funny how I saw fit to write it in advance.

thirdly, its also funny that in response to Powels "evidence," russia, china, france, and germany (i think) still think that this "evidence" should be backed up with inspectors evidence.

Same answer as the above. Read it, and link to all the sources provided, and I think you could draw a logical conclusion from the picture that I have helped draw.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 10:22 pm on Feb. 6, 2003)

Goldfinger

6th February 2003, 10:36

I saw some of it. I'm not saying that they don't have weapons of mass destruction, but so does the US

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 10:39

Did the United States invade Canada, get defeated by the largest coalition force in history, then sign a cease fire agreement that bound them to disarmament? No? Then that remains a moot point.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 9:20 am on Feb. 7, 2003)

James

6th February 2003, 13:35

Did you know that their is not a single document that ties Hitler to the death camps in Europe. Yet, we all know the truth. Can't Saddam Hussien be compared to the threat Hitler posed? Shouldn't we have stopped Hitler before he could devastate all of Europe? Shouldn't we stop Hussien before he devastates his region of the world?

Actually there is.

James

6th February 2003, 15:50

No james. Satellites are oribiting our earth at thousands of miles per hour, and can't be at any place at any time. It's not like the movies where they zoom in and catch the bad guys in action. And our best planes can't be there all the time.
That wasn't really the point.

USA boasts about how they can watch you walking in the streets etc, and they do have very powerful capabilites. True your best planes can't be there all the time, but the point is - they havn't obviously! If the US was truely confident, it would pour resources into the chase.

saddam has used WMD before this so why wouldn't he have, and use them again?

He used them before true. 'We' should know because 'we' supplied him with them. Interesting that we arn't allow to see all of iraq's dossier, that "sensitive" information. I wonder what it says...

We supplied him with them knowing FULL WELL what he was using them for. Thats why he sold them to him. Saddam isn't an evil genious, he's just following in the Brits foot steps.
"i don't see whats the fuss about using gas on uncivilised tribes" - Churchill refering to the gassing of Kurds in Iraq.

Why the sudden change? We even supplied him with Nuke equipment.
HOWEVER, as the French official said last night, we all have radar that can see radiation that would come off in the development of such weapons. There is none.

He has used them before yes, but never on us.

There are NO links between Saddam and AL-Q. Only speculation.

James

6th February 2003, 16:03

Iraq was considered in material breech the day that the UN security council resolution was passed.

As is israel. Whats going to be done about that?

Iraq had known stores of bio/chem weapons, and working weapons programs, at the time that they kicked UN inspectors out of the country.

Per the security council resolution,the burden of proof is on IRAQ to show that they have dimantled their weapons and weapons programs.

And how does someone proove that they arn't doing something?

No one can find anything = indicates there is nothing to be found.

Seeing as how UN intelligence seems to be leaking like a small pox pustule into the hands of the Iraqis, it would be very stupid for us to intrust our intelligence information with them.

If the US wants the UN to find anything, they have to help and show them where to go. Thats a lame excuse SM.

Our sources and methods would be compromised. Our human intelligence would be killed.

What the hell are you on about now?
Are those men manning the spy cameras many miles up in the sky going to be killed now? Don't be silly SM...

Finally, we would be blinded to events occurring in Iraq. Since we are on the eve of war, it is easy to see how a lack of intelligence could cost us countless U.S. military casualties.

A war can't go ahead unless you show the UN where to go. I don't know why i said you then... A war can't go ahead unless the Bushites show the UN where to go.

What's more important to us, appeasing a bunch of European sissies,

You NEED their support.

whose only concern seems to be their commercial ties to Iraq,

Thats right, of course, the Us doesn't have any ties with Iraq. And its not commercial interests propelling this war is it... Can we see the list of American business yet that have been selling stuff to Iraq, or is it still "sensitive"?

The answer is clear. Saddam is a madman who must be stopped.

He's hardly Mad SM.

James

6th February 2003, 16:06

This thread provides an excellent answer to that very question. It's funny how I saw fit to write it in advance.

aaaaah, the Germany is socialist, and Labour is left wing thread?

BWA HA HA HA!

Capitalist Imperial

6th February 2003, 17:11

Quote: from Aleksander Nordby on 8:07 am on Feb. 6, 2003
If U$A attacks iraq, i hope that the iraqs soldiers kill so many fucking american soldiers they can.

Shut Uup, you idiot. The cold air in norway is getting to your head.

Norway is weak anyway, a non-factor at best.

Where were your anti-american sentiments when we were protecting you from the soviets?

James

6th February 2003, 17:43

Warning CI.

Goldfinger

6th February 2003, 17:44

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Edit; just changed it so it doesn't mess the window up. As it obviously confused CI...

(Edited by James at 6:58 pm on Feb. 6, 2003)

Capitalist Imperial

6th February 2003, 18:54

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 5:44 pm on Feb. 6, 2003

we were protecting you from the soviets
hahahaHAH!!!

I don't know why you think thats funny. If you deny it you would be truly ignorant.

(Edited by James at 7:01 pm on Feb. 6, 2003)

Capitalist Imperial

6th February 2003, 18:55

where are my words?

James

6th February 2003, 19:05

(the many "haha"s messed the window up a bit. All fixed now :)
forgive me for editing your post CI, but i had to reduce the no. of haha's in your quote.)

Goldfinger

6th February 2003, 19:19

The only times the Russians posed as a threat to Norway was when Trotsky lived here in exile, and when they mistaked a weather rocket as a missile heading towards Moscow and nearly started WWIII, beacuse of faulty militairy equipment. Which only confirms that countries low on resources shouldn't use money on the militiry, and nither rich countries for that matter.

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 21:45

Actually there is.

Well then tell me where I might find it, you cocksucker.

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 21:51

Forget about your obvious lack of understanding in the area of intelligence gathering, because that is understandable. The claim that really made me chuckle was this:

"You NEED their support."

This is laughable. Give me any reason why you assume that we NEED their support. We have said it before, and we will say it again, if neceassary we will go it alone. However, we will have the help of your government, James.

Mazdak

6th February 2003, 22:31

Stormin Norman, i havent clashed with you for quite some time but now i must point out your use of the word cocksucker. It seems you have either just discovered the word, or simply are obsessed with either the practice or just the flow of the word itself. This boggles my mind, but i would ask you to think of more interesting insults. It makes the board more interesting when the flames are more interesting.

Stormin Norman

6th February 2003, 22:41

Notice Mazdak, that I haven't limited my criticism of James solely to that remark. I was simply stating the obvious. I am pissed off and sometimes I say things normally wouldn't say. However, you have a good point. I will try to refrain from the use of the word, as it is rather vulgar.

Capitalist Imperial

6th February 2003, 22:44

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 7:19 pm on Feb. 6, 2003
The only times the Russians posed as a threat to Norway was when Trotsky lived here in exile, and when they mistaked a weather rocket as a missile heading towards Moscow and nearly started WWIII, beacuse of faulty militairy equipment. Which only confirms that countries low on resources shouldn't use money on the militiry, and nither rich countries for that matter.

Exactly, AP, because you were under US-led NATO protection! That is my point. Without NATO the Soviets would have probably taken the whole of scandinavia before western europe!

James

6th February 2003, 23:09

"Well then tell me where I might find it, you cocksucker."

Ok, you've called me this lots now. Please could you stop it?

I presume your aware of the "final solution" and all the details of the Wannsee meeting. I my self have been to this very house, and seen many documentations and listened to a professional explain the whole background to the matter, the matter in its self and the outcome of the matter (that is the meeting). Also for those who have/had access to the BBC; the BBC did an excellent Historical Drama on the Wannsee meeting, i think it was called "conspiracy theory".

I've found a decent site for you to find a whole host of information so that you can enlighten yourself.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/final.html

I direct you though to this link, section II.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust...e_Protocol.html (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/Wannsee_Protocol.html)

"At the beginning of the discussion Chief of the Security Police and of the SD, SS-Obergruppenführer Heydrich, reported that the Reich Marshal had appointed him delegate for the preparations for the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe and pointed out that this discussion had been called for the purpose of clarifying fundamental questions. The wish of the Reich Marshal to have a draft sent to him concerning organizational, factual and material interests in relation to the final solution of the Jewish question in Europe makes necessary an initial common action of all central offices immediately concerned with these questions in order to bring their general activities into line"

And now if you go to
http://www.holocaust-history.org/hitler-fi...final-solution/ (http://www.holocaust-history.org/hitler-final-solution/)
And i highlight,
it is now undeniable that Hitler personally ordered the overall Final Solution decision;

Which then goes on to go into the details of the ins and outs. Giving more details and documented proof.

If you go
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust...urder_docs.html (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/murder_docs.html)

You will find more documents.

And finnaly,
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust...statements.html (http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/nazi_statements.html)

"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

"And we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews."

And it goes on and on.

* * *

This is all i'm going to say on the matter. If you want to carry this on, i'd suggest you creat a relevent thread (which would have to be in history, or something i imagine. But not here) but seeing as your only allowed to post here because of your general attitude (for example, "James is a cocksucker") your screwed.
And seeing as this is now between me and you, i suggest you either PM me, or you find another board to discuss this matter, and invite me to come along with a link. Through PM.

No more on here.

James

6th February 2003, 23:14

"You NEED their support."

This is laughable. Give me any reason why you assume that we NEED their support. We have said it before, and we will say it again, if neceassary we will go it alone. However, we will have the help of your government, James.

You need the support of the UN because in a way its your mandate. This is so mainly because of support.

The US in theory could do it alone, but it would be political suicide. And this is why it won't happen.

Alot of the US population only support a war with Saddam if there is UN blessings, similar to the UK.

Most US citizens don't really care that much now, so Bush's mandate for invading everyone and anyone has gone - due to the collapsing economy. Similar to the UK again i imagine.

Its obvious as to why the US needs to UN, its all political common sense. If you can't see this SN, may i suggest you find a board more, suited to your abilites?

Stormin Norman

7th February 2003, 08:15

Seeing as how you won't act like a man and allow me to discuss and debate the issues, and the fact that Che-Lives allows a complete pussy to moderate their debate forum, for the purpose of purging the community of fair discussion, I guess you win. You are the biggest coward that I have ever had the displeasure of meeting. You expect me to beg and plead for your forgiveness, but I say go fuck yourself. Your forum sucks as hard as the moderator who goes by the name of James. Congratulations you are well on your way of producing the most boring discussion forum ever.

The thrill is gone. Good job Malte, you have taken a good thing and ruined it. This is the most obvious flaw in your proposed system. The reason communists economies faulter has a lot to do with the regulation of ideas and information. You verminous bastards are all the same; you drive for a general stagnation of thought. Once again, FUCK YOU! I withdraw my mind from the likes of you. Yellow bellied bastards, could my definition have been any more accurate? Your complete censorship of me only demonstrates that my assumptions about your nature were 100% accurate. There is no denying it now. Have fun living the rest of your days knowing what kind of worm you truly represent. My assertions about this new vanguard was also 100% accurate. This forum is operated and regulated by those who claim to disagree with Stalin and Lenin on the surface, yet employ those very tactics. I have never seen a greater example of ypocrisy. James, you pussy.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 8:23 pm on Feb. 7, 2003)

James

7th February 2003, 09:24

Ok, this really is the last time i'm going to allow you to make such posts, and the last time i'm going to outline the situation for you. Because you are clearly are finding trouble with understanding the basic concept.

Seeing as how you won't act like a man and allow me to discuss and debate the issues

Ok, you think its manly doing this kind of stuff over the internet? ok...
And i will allow you to debate Hitler if you want. But this is the wrong forum for doing so, so please post in the proper forum. I understand though that you are restricted to this forum. Who's fault is this? Its hardly mine, i don't make you say all these things, i don't creat your attitude. Etc etc
And you CAN debate whatever you want with me, just as long as it doesn't infringe the New Policy. If it does, and you REALLY want to talk about an issue with me, PM me.

and the fact that Che-Lives allows a complete pussy to moderate their debate forum, for the purpose of purging the community of fair discussion, I guess you win

I'm a pussy because i'm finnaly cleaning up this forum? Hardly, if you ask me (and many others)its been a long time coming. I'm sorry if you can no longer post your hate threads, but they are hardly "fair discussion"s as such are they?

The whole point of the New Policy is to bring back some fair discussion.

You are the biggest coward that I have ever had the displeasure of meeting

As i pointed out, this is the internet. You've never met me, you don't know me, and i don't know you. To tell you the truth i wouldn't really want to meet you in real life.

You expect me to beg and plead for your forgiveness, but I say go fuck yourself

No, i ask you to be more consdirate. Quote me demanding forgiveness or whatever.
Such as, not telling people to simply go "fuck themselves", and not keep saying phrases you saw on a late night movie - "cocksucker" for example.
Please grow up, or go away.

Your forum sucks as hard as the moderator who goes by the name of James

I shared this opinion on OI forum, thats why i decided to try and improve it.

If you don't like the changes, you don't have to post, you don't have to read the posts, you don't even have to come in here. Ever.

Congratulations you are well on your way of producing the most boring discussion forum ever.

Hardly.
For example i got rid of your hate threads, and now we are starting to see some very interesting and intelligent debates growing, and taking the hate threads place.

The thrill is gone. Good job Malte, you have taken a good thing and ruined it.

Because i moved the chit chat threads to chit chat?
Like i said, if you don't like it - go away.

You verminous bastards are all the same; you drive for a general stagnation of thought

Many people, including myself, felt that a "general stagnation of thought" was the OI forum its self.

Once again, FUCK YOU! I withdraw my mind from the likes of you.

Honestly SM, if you don't like it, just go. No body cares if your going to withdraw your mind 'from the likes' of myself.
If your going to leave, just do it. Don't milk it, because it will get moved to chit chat - and i don't think you can view in there can you.
I think this shows how you are a coward who is dependent on this forum. Take for example your reaction to the New Policy. A bit OTT SM...

Your complete censorship of me

No. I've outlined this before. Read up.

James, you pussy

Again here we go with the personal insults. Something that you made a big fuss off, so big that you felt the need to creat and dedicate a total thread about it. You should be happy somethings being done about it.

James

7th February 2003, 09:27

And just going back to the first point in the above post.

If anyone wants to debate the New Policy. Then a place is provided to do so - its the top sticky.

Easy to find, so please - no excuses.

Stormin Norman

7th February 2003, 09:29

James, you are weak. It is obvious that you are not interested in debate. You are going to have to ban me and show your true Stalinist nature, you piece of dirt.

sliktrik

7th February 2003, 09:33

Norman, lay back let mama suck you into submission, all this hostility can't be good for you

Stormin Norman

7th February 2003, 09:36

Yeah right. You must be James, judging by your proposal. No thanks.

sliktrik

7th February 2003, 09:41

yes I read your damaging finishing words, I will be a revolutionarie far surpased your perfectionism one day CHE

Palmares

7th February 2003, 09:48

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 2:49 am on Feb. 6, 2003
The gun is bellowing smoke right before our eyes.

Well, I'm not dead, so it must have been a blank.

(Edited by Cthenthar at 7:49 pm on Feb. 7, 2003)

Stormin Norman

7th February 2003, 09:56

I do not agree with the censorship that is occuring here. Since James is the tool of such devices, he has come under attack by me. Some of my words have been quite unbecoming of me. However, I am so frustrated by the death of what was once a great place for debate that I have no choice but to commit cyber-suicide, by forcing the lame bastards that wish to nueter me into a position where they must ban me. I will not give the cowards the satisfaction of leaving, but I will no longer be apart of this charade.

You use to be able to post in Che-lives without someone else deleting or changing your message. What is the use of posting when someone can erase your thoughts soley because they disagree. To hell with this. I don't have the kind of time it takes to bother posting only to be erased.

Slaughter me like you have wanted to for so many months. Now is your chance, you deviants. Get rid of me once and for all, and expose your hypocrisy. If you are to cowardly to allow opposition, then at least be man enough to kill it off openly and honestly. Fucking mollusks.

sliktrik

7th February 2003, 10:03

your the coldest, goodbye

Palmares

7th February 2003, 10:26

Don't be so synical Norman. I can see where you are coming from, but one must know restraint. In most cases censorship of our posts would only occur with good reason, but nothing is without exceptions.

Just be content that you have freedon to say something. Censorship will not stop everyone from seeing it.

Keep Stormin Norman (even if you a Cappie)

Stormin Norman

7th February 2003, 10:36

You should not bother to keep me, as I have already stated that I have withdrwn my mind from this sight. The only thing I have left to say is that James is a shameful coward, a verminous bastard, a cocksucking communist, and Stalinist puke, nothing more. Do not expect anything more from me from here on out. I am through wasting my time with low lives and degenerates. Censorship is for queers!

kylie

7th February 2003, 11:41

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7th February 2003, 13:17

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abstractmentality

7th February 2003, 18:11

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 5:17 am on Feb. 7, 2003
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you know we all still love you, SN.

Eastside Revolt

7th February 2003, 22:41

Yes, this commie puke was watching and laughing and crying. What is his point, what about the ballistic missle assault treaty Bush ripped-up. Does that not make him a "threat to the world" as they have labelled Iraq.

sabre

8th February 2003, 00:00

HAHAHHA powells speech was a bunch of anecdotal crap

lets go over it

Audio tape of two "iraqi officials" talking which any two people that spoke arabic and a tape recorder oculd have made in their basement

Sattelite photos of nondescript bunkers with neat little yellow sticky tags on them - the funny thing is Iraq took journalists on a tour of some of the compounds today jsut to show them there was nothing illegal there - also if these bunkers hold weapons and shit, why arent the inspectors peeping them out? (A: cause they dont have chemical and bio weapons)

THe dossier on the organization of iraq's governmetn which later on was found to be PLAGARIZED from a post-graduate student from a california college's litle magazine thingy - it was on cnn today check it out - what a load of shit.

powells speech did nothing it was all a load of crap