Well that's interesting - They've locked me up here

[thursday night]

It seems I am unable to post anywhere but here. Have I been thrown into the Stalinist camp simply for being an authoritarian socialist? Well then at the very least I would like to have a demeaning title! ;)

[Pete]

Hey, I think that I may be locked here, I've been showing an aweful lot of sympathy towards the authortarian left in my libertarian ways :) Well, as long as you are left, the more radical the better, you are a Comrade of mine. Just don't try to oppose your authoritarian shit on those who don't want it ok?

[Anonymous]

Boy the times they are a changin'. I remember when the stalinists roamed freely throughout che-lives and us capitalists could post in chit-chat. Not anymore though.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 7:56 pm on Feb. 4, 2003
Boy the times they are a changin'. I remember when the stalinists roamed freely throughout che-lives and us capitalists could post in chit-chat. Not anymore though.

Its bad enough that Malte locked up the benevolent rightists and capitalists here, but now they have thrown the stailinsts and other pro-dictator authoritarian scum in here with us?

On the bright side, they are actually better than the twig-biting liberals if I must chose between the two.

[Saint-Just]

'It seems I am unable to post anywhere but here. Have I been thrown into the Stalinist camp simply for being an authoritarian socialist? Well then at the very least I would like to have a demeaning title!'

Well are you a Stalinist? i.e. a Marxist-Leninist, I have not heard someone call themselves an authoritarian socialist before.

[Invader Zim]

"On the bright side, they are actually better than the twig-biting liberals if I must chose between the two. "

Ohh CI that cut deep dont you like the liberalist's any more.


(Edited by AK47 at 9:44 pm on Feb. 4, 2003)

[thursday night]

Comrade Mao: No, I do not consider myself a Stalinist. I am a socialist of authoritarian nature; I really don't have a set ideological name for myself. My beliefs are probably closest to Castroism as I am a die-hard supporter of the Cuban Revolution and a dear admirer of Fidel. However, when it comes to Stalinists I am usually in general agreeance with them on this forum (I also admire their intelligence and bravery and consider myself friends with some of them). I am also an extreme anti-Trotskysite and anti-revisionist, 'New Left' crap.

[Saint-Just]

'Comrade Mao: No, I do not consider myself a Stalinist. I am a socialist of authoritarian nature; I really don't have a set ideological name for myself. My beliefs are probably closest to Castroism as I am a die-hard supporter of the Cuban Revolution and a dear admirer of Fidel. However, when it comes to Stalinists I am usually in general agreeance with them on this forum (I also admire their intelligence and bravery and consider myself friends with some of them).'

Ok, thank you for answering my question.

I am also an extreme anti-Trotskysite and anti-revisionist, 'New Left' crap. '

Sounds like Marxism-Leninism to me :)

[Mazdak]

Yes, they have restricted all of us. I guess we will have to deal with the capitalists alot more.

They dont want us contaminating all their brilliant discussions in the other forums(like who would win in a fist fight with Mao, or how come santa is still alive?). You dont believe me, check for the thread in Theory.

All we did according to them was turn everything into a stalin debate. interesting, since it was their idea to make a STICKY anti stalin thread and continuosly bashed us before we ever started to debate stalin.

It seems the pot has gone to the admin's head. ;)

[lifetrnal]

Crazy,


I always enjoy the company of libertarians. :-) I was one for 9 years. :-)

[James]

well i don't know anything in answer to the first post - didn't bother with the rest. I got the general feel....

If you don't like it, leave.

If your not going to leave, shut up.

If your not going to shut up, leave.

get the picture?

[Mazdak]

I prefer not taking any of the three options.

[James]

no. 4
Stick around and moan moan moan?

If so, i advise you take no. 5

no. 5
GET A LIFE.

(Edited by James at 11:52 pm on Feb. 4, 2003)

[Mazdak]

Well option for i choose is four. Getting a life seems highly illogical. I enjoy whining and complaining here and have no intention of stopping.

[James]

no. 4 auto leads to 5. Sorry.
Which then leads to 3/1

[Xvall]

Mazdak, you are very funny. (No sarcasm in that.)

[thursday night]

Ouch they deleted my post. :P

This is my life, in reply to the highly intelligent and thought provoking posts made by James.

[Rastafari]

Maybe the cappies who get on here are all really just closet lefties who are nerds and get on here to piss us commie-brethren off. I mean, what about che-lives.com really appeals to anybody who is right (but still very wrong) anyway?

[bolshevik1917]

All these Stalinists, anti-trotskyists and suchlike are just geeks who get bullied at school. They can come here and feel tough by stepping into the 'iron man' role and telling us all about 'how it should be done'

[thursday night]

Well that's a nice way to bring it to a personal level.

[Cassius Clay]

''All these Stalinists, anti-trotskyists and suchlike are just geeks who get bullied at school. They can come here and feel tough by stepping into the 'iron man' role and telling us all about 'how it should be done'''

I think that reading this again your apologise.


Hmm why was I banned again?

[thursday night]

We were banned because we defend the Soviet Union?

[mentalbunny]

The thing about authoritarianism is that it's all good when you're the one in charge but when you're the oppressed it really is not a bundle of laughs, and us libertarians believe that it should be good for everyone, that the state should serve the people, not the other way round, because the state is the people, it needs the people, like the boss needs the workers.

I agree that the USSR was quite effiecient in some ways but it was also flawed and it all fell apart in the end. True leftism needs deepr roots, strong foundations and the USSR didn't have that.

I have to agree with bolshevik1917 to some extent, form what I know about mazdak he has no life outside che-lives and is just an antagonists little whining idiot :)

Sorry guys, but this place is primarily for libertarian leftists, so if you don't fit the criteria you're not coming in. We don't mean to be elitist but to keep it as it is intended to be we have to be selective, it's not like we're throwing you out of an all-ideologies forum, just a lib-left one (and we're not even throwing you out, or you wouldn't have posted here!).

[Saint-Just]

'The thing about authoritarianism is that it's all good when you're the one in charge but when you're the oppressed it really is not a bundle of laughs'

I certainly agree; however, the oppression that exists in a Marxist-Leninist regime is oppression towards the exploitative class. In the culmation of the class struggle, the exploited class seize power and oppress their oppressors to create a single class. Thus ending the class struggle that created the conditions for exploitation of man by man.

'us libertarians believe that it should be good for everyone'

How do you propose the destruction of the reactionary class? or do you reject the theory of class struggle entirely?

'the state should serve the people'

The state will only serve the people once the class system is removed; once a revolutionary workers party controls the state. The state can only be in the interests of the workers if it is a worker's state. The existence of a class system negate the interests of one particular class as the state can only be in the hands of one of a mutitude of classes in a class system. Marxsim-Leninism says the state should serve the people, but it can only be that way if the mass class are in control of the state.

'form what I know about mazdak he has no life outside che-lives and is just an antagonists little whining idiot '

I cannot remotely endear myself to believe that.

[Just Joe]

Quote: from Chairman Mao on 10:48 pm on Feb. 6, 2003

I certainly agree; however, the oppression that exists in a Marxist-Leninist regime is oppression towards the exploitative class.

what about the oppression of workers in China today?

what about workers in Communist countries not being able to strike?

what about workers uprising in East Germany in 1953?

what about the USSR threatening military action against Solidarity in Poland?

what about how workers made up smaller percentages of ruling Communist parties in Eastern Europe?

what about how workers made up higher percentages of those escaping past the Berlin Wall?

what about the Krondstat workers rebellion put down in Lenins Russia?

what about people being forced at gun point to work 16 hour days in Pol Pots killing fields?

what about Stalin Ukrainian famine killing millions of peasant workers?

[thursday night]

"'form what I know about mazdak he has no life outside che-lives and is just an antagonists little whining idiot"

While I seriously doubt the legitimacy of this statement, I must make it clear that I really don’t care if Mazdak “has a life” outside of these forums. I view him as a highly intelligent person with a clear view of what Marxism-Leninism is and what the revolutionary struggle is all about, not to mention a nice guy to people with a shred of deserving intelligence.

"The thing about authoritarianism is that it's all good when you're the one in charge but when you're the oppressed it really is not a bundle of laughs"

I don’t think you should have anything to worry about here unless you are a bourgeoisie person who exploits the lower classes. If you are, well then I certainly see why you should be concerned about a worker’s socialist state.

[Blibblob]

I feel sorry for you guys, but i predict that after i post my essay(after i feel like finishing it), ill get banned to here too.

It all returns back to the unwritten commandment: thou shall not question.

Dont post conflicting ideas, and you wont get stuck here, getting my drift?

[thursday night]

"what about workers in Communist countries not being able to strike?

Strike against whom, exactly? Isn’t it sort of oxymoronic to strike against a government that is for the people and by the people?

"what about the oppression of workers in China today?"

There is no doubt that the revisionist elements that currently control the People’s Republic of China are a threat to socialism than benefits the working-class. We can only hope that once the PRC has accumulated enough funds it will revert back to non-revisionist socialism and end any private economic functions.

"what about Stalin Ukrainian famine killing millions of peasant workers?"

Here we go again with the ‘Stalin killed millions’ debate. The fact is that Stalin simply did not kill millions of people. If you can give me an accurate, non-biased statistic report on how many people were killed by whatever means I’d be happy to read it, but the fact is you cannot.

"what about how workers made up higher percentages of those escaping past the Berlin Wall?"

It should be noted that the American government conducted heavy leafleting campaigns, terrorist acts and various other acts of sabotage against the German Democratic Republic for the split of Germany to the seventies. Many intellectuals left East Germany because of promises of a ‘better life’ in the West, but what doesn’t make the papers is that many of the East Germans who left returned after finding that in the West governments do not provide free medical care, an education, a roof over your head etc.

[Just Joe]

you missed out half the things i said.

[Blibblob]

Holy shit.

"'what about workers in Communist countries not being able to strike? '

Strike against whom, exactly? Isn’t it sort of oxymoronic to strike against a government that is for the people and by the people? "

huh? For the people, and by the people, is the constitution of the united states ringing in my ears?
And there hasnt been a communist country, and not being able to strike is like saying, "you cannot revolt".
Striking would be revolting against the government, they do control all companies, or that was the point, wasnt it?


"'what about the oppression of workers in China today?'"

There is no doubt that the revisionist elements that currently control the People’s Republic of China are a threat to socialism than benefits the working-class. We can only hope that once the PRC has accumulated enough funds it will revert back to non-revisionist socialism and end any private economic functions. "

Oppressing the workers should be a death sentence. Communism is based for the working force, and against the rich. Leveling out everything.



"'what about Stalin Ukrainian famine killing millions of peasant workers?'"

Here we go again with the ‘Stalin killed millions’ debate. The fact is that Stalin simply did not kill millions of people. If you can give me an accurate, non-biased statistic report on how many people were killed by whatever means I’d be happy to read it, but the fact is you cannot. "


Ok, one thing i shall semi agree on. Yeah, so what, he killed. All governments kill those who oppose, it's kinda the job description.



The last, i dont wanna comment on, and you cant make me. Thursday night, it seems that you need to look a little at morals. And maybe steer away from athoritive stuff, it will just get YOU trapped in the end.

[Stormin Norman]

(Edited by James at 2:13 pm on Feb. 7, 2003)

[mentalbunny]

The thing about authoritarians is that they don't seem to remember that you can't help where you are born or how you are brought up, they don't see that everyone has a right to life and they are happy to kill anyone if they obstruct their "cause".

That is immoral, therefore it is wrong. Thefore authoritarians are wrong.

I admit that the government needs to enforce what it says, but killing all those, or even some of the key people, who oppose will not do anyone any good and the truth will come out, and the people will revolt.

[Mazdak]

Well, i willn start by thanking Thursday.

And to shock you all, i have a life outside of this place. I have a nationstate at nationstates.net.
I also read books.

However, I am happy to hear my whiney antagonistic ideas have been noticed because i dont intend to stop. I would not be whiney if I HADNT BEEN BLOCKED OR BANNED 5 times or more (losing count) and now am restricted. I will not let things blow over. it is simply my nature and if it seems whiney, deal with it. There is nothing more whiney, in my humble opinion, than someone who is obsessed with freedom and is against execution.

I find it disgusting to sympathize with the rich because they were "born that way." That is a sick attitude and no true leftist would have it.

The cause is far more important then the lives of a few rich oppressive capitalist scum. If one does not see this, then one is a lost cause.

In any situation, do you think the capitalist would treat us any better? The only way to kill the snake is to sever its head. Lenin proved this with the execution of the czar and his family.

[James]

In any situation, do you think the capitalist would treat us any better? The only way to kill the snake is to sever its head. Lenin proved this with the execution of the czar and his family.
I thought that was a mistake?

[thursday night]

"Oppressing the workers should be a death sentence."

Interesting coming from somebody who generally stands against authoritarianism.

"The last, i dont wanna comment on, and you cant make me. Thursday night, it seems that you need to look a little at morals. And maybe steer away from athoritive stuff, it will just get YOU trapped in the end."

I don't understand what was so immoral about my last comment in the post in question. I talked about the German Democratic Republic, where's the immortality?

"There is nothing more whiney, in my humble opinion, than someone who is obsessed with freedom and is against execution."

Well here is an instance where Mazdak and I disagree, though not totally. I am generally opposed to the death penalty when it comes to the way the American ‘justice’ system carries it out. I am pretty outspoken when it comes to the US’s totally racist, exploitive, hypocritical and selective use of capital punishment.

However when it comes to socialist revolution I understand that socialism itself is very, very fragile and quick action must be taken against those who wish to revert back to the barbarianism that is capitalism.

[mentalbunny]

So Mazdak, you wouldn't mind being executed then, just cos your government feels like you aren't doing what it wants you to do? You don't want to be free?

[James]

We are hardly free now MB

[Blibblob]

""Oppressing the workers should be a death sentence."

Interesting coming from somebody who generally stands against authoritarianism. "


Oppressing the working force, the poor people. Those who need help. What i said, in a little roundabout like way, was that all capitalists need to die, so HA. I may be libraterian, but i will fucking kill if needed.


""The last, i dont wanna comment on, and you cant make me. Thursday night, it seems that you need to look a little at morals. And maybe steer away from athoritive stuff, it will just get YOU trapped in the end."

I don't understand what was so immoral about my last comment in the post in question. I talked about the German Democratic Republic, where's the immortality? "

Ok, well, it was just in general. Thats why it was all the way at the bottom. If you could stand in a fist fight against a dictator, be athoritian, but if you lose, most likely you die.