Ending Abortion - Pro-Life or Anti-Woman

[Rastafari]

Well, Bush has recently said that his next goal down the list after he botches up the Iraq thing will be to make abortion illegal again, or at least tighten the laws. And of course he has followers-legions of the drones-who will back him up to any extent he is willing to take. In the end, every birth control device save the condom will be illegal in the us, and women wishing to have a fetus removed from their bodies will have to turn to dangerous and often life-threatening procedures instead of doing it rather painlessly in a planned parenthood center. I am sure even Cappies are divided on this, so feel free to express your relative sympathy and scorn. Now, the battle for women's rights truely begins, not in a middle eastern desert where we are dropping bombs on them daily, but right here.
Oh, and by the way, the person who is most correct on the issue of abortion isn't a politician at all, but a comedian. His name-George Carlin

[Eastside Revolt]

He may try to end abortion but he won't be seccessful. And think he's lying about that being his next move after Iraq. I think he's going strait to Iran.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Rastafari on 7:16 am on Feb. 3, 2003
Well, Bush has recently said that his next goal down the list after he botches up the Iraq thing will be to make abortion illegal again, or at least tighten the laws. And of course he has followers-legions of the drones-who will back him up to any extent he is willing to take. In the end, every birth control device save the condom will be illegal in the us, and women wishing to have a fetus removed from their bodies will have to turn to dangerous and often life-threatening procedures instead of doing it rather painlessly in a planned parenthood center. I am sure even Cappies are divided on this, so feel free to express your relative sympathy and scorn. Now, the battle for women's rights truely begins, not in a middle eastern desert where we are dropping bombs on them daily, but right here.
Oh, and by the way, the person who is most correct on the issue of abortion isn't a politician at all, but a comedian. His name-George Carlin

Your exagerating to the extreme here. First of all, Bush only wants to outlaw partial-birth abortions. Not abortion itself. Second of all, I seriously doubt the president would want to get rid all contreceptive devices in the US. That's insane. It's also typical leftist stereotyping of conservatives as being ultra-christian wackoes.

Now as for my personal views on abortion, I think it is inherently wrong to kill an unborn child. However, I also respect the right of the woman to her body. As such, I believe that abortions should only be allowed to take place during the first trimester of the pregnancy. And that the mother should give an appropriate reason as to why she wants/needs an abortion.


(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:09 am on Feb. 3, 2003)

[Hampton]

How about the reason why is becuase it's none of your fucking business.

[Rastafari]

Thank you, Hampton. Sometimes we of the community must build cages as to keep the scathing, biting "wit" and "intelligence" of the cappies to a minimum, lest they chase us back into repentance and make us throw off our evil commie ways and rejoin the path of God
Sarcasm, by the way

[truthaddict11]

With people like Ashcroft in power i wouldnt be surprised if bush and his bunch outlaw abortion. hell they all ready want to make "faith based initives".

[Smoking Frog II]

Quote: from redcanada on 2:44 am on Feb. 3, 2003
He may try to end abortion but he won't be seccessful. And think he's lying about that being his next move after Iraq. I think he's going strait to Iran.


Don't forget Saudi Arabia, Egypt, India, Pakistan, Mongolia, Russia, China, Japan, Thailand, Cambodia...

[Just Joe]

i'm pro-life. i don't consider myself a devout religious follower, but the one thing i did pick up from a Roman Catholic upbringing was that abortion is wrong. in some cases, like rape or if the kid will be retarded, then abortion should be allowed but in other cicumstances, there is always another alternative to killing an unborn child.

(Edited by Just Joe at 12:25 pm on Feb. 3, 2003)

[Saint-Just]

'in some cases, like rape or if the kid will be retarded, then abortion should be allowed but in other cicumstances,'

In all abortion cases the circumstances are extreme, people don't abort children for fun.

[Just Joe]

you reckon? i dunno about that. there are LOADS of women who have children aborted for the simple reason that they don't want kids.

[Smoking Frog II]

yeah, well i believe it is the mother's choice wherther she wants kids or not. But maybe if peoiple ere carefull they would need an abortion in the first place.

[Saint-Just]

'you reckon? i dunno about that. there are LOADS of women who have children aborted for the simple reason that they don't want kids.'

To be honest I care little for this subject. But yes I do think that generally it is a hard decision for someone to make. And thus not one taken on light circumstance. Anyhow it is possible to take issue with the circumstances that incite the thought of aborting a child.

[Umoja]

How can a person support the Death Penalty and oppose Abortion (Conservatives)?

How can a person support Abortion and oppose the Death Penalty (Liberals)?

[Moskitto]

if you don't want kids, use a condom.

you shouldn't have sex, get pregnant, have an abortion, have sex, get pregnant, have an abortion, if you do, you deserve everything you get, if you can't afford condoms you should be able to get them free from family planning units (this should not turn into Kenya though), but the old fucked up conservatives won't like that would they,

[Rastafari]

How can a person support the Death Penalty and oppose Abortion (Conservatives)?

How can a person support Abortion and oppose the Death Penalty (Liberals)?

I, personally, oppose the death penalty because often, it is the US trying to execute those who have not done enough to deserve it. Life in prison is more punishment. Mumia will die, ultimately, for things he did not really do. Because people do die as a result of a "Broken System", it is inherantly wrong.
Before the 30's (and up until the 1950's), people could still be given the death penalty for things other than rape and murder, namely treason (which is still a death-warenting crime, apparently) and robbery. I feel that robbery is the worst thing to punish someone for in this way-Uncle Sam hates stealing because he hates competition, basically. Abortion is a choice, not a crime

[Eastside Revolt]

Quote: from Umoja on 7:17 pm on Feb. 3, 2003
How can a person support the Death Penalty and oppose Abortion (Conservatives)?

How can a person support Abortion and oppose the Death Penalty (Liberals)?


lol. No shit, I never really thought about it that way.

[Eastside Revolt]

I support abortion untill we have a completely socialized society, then I will be against it.

[loobylane]

Abortion is ALWAYS the woman's choice. I really think that we could see the Bush administration trying to illegalise this form of birth control though... They have the majority and could really push this issue, regardless of what the public wants. If they get away with it though, don't expect to see America becoming a more liberal and tolerant place. If abortion becomes illegal, then the Conservatives will know that they can get their way with any legislation; under those conditions things could become intolerable. I'm just glad I don't live in the US, Bush has managed to screw up almost every piece of policy he's come across...

[Alexander Pop]

I am opposed to abortion...
Simply because it's a murder... and I am not a murderer...
I am opposed condoms too... because they are ecological hazard (if you'd dump all condoms that people have used in 5 years on new york... you wouldn't see new york).... hehe...maybe I'm over reacting on this with new york but really that would be a pretty big pile of plastic! ... and... it's just onother way for corporations to make money...and on what are they making it!? on our basic thing of survival - sex. ... and plus i beleive that that's why diseases transfered by sex still exist...for if there where no deseases all condom manufacturing companies would go banckrupt!
Sorry guys, but i don't think that fucking plastic and having sex is the sam thing!
Fight the corporate world! Let your death count!

[truthaddict11]

i believe using abortion as a form of birth control is wrong if someone could give statistics of how many women do i would suppose it would be low
condoms and birth control do fail and women are raped and I believe it is ultimatly thier decision do what what they want with thier body

[Just Joe]

just playing devils advocate against the commies here, but the only argument seems to be you think it is the womens choice to abort a baby. then how come you are against people owning businesses as a choice but you support a womens right to kill an unborn child? isn't the whole idea of freedom that you do what you want unless you don't harm someone else?

[Rastafari]

I am not sure of our official stance on Abortion, but I think it is that we do not kill the "child", but the woman has the choice too, and not the state. I think that Abortion is distinctly speciesist anyway, used to promote the human's self-interest anyway. Aren't we just animals too, where, in our case; natural selection has favored a large cerebral cortex that has more folds, making us more intelligent and more dominating over "lesser" species? I mean, there are as many dimensions that this could be taken in as there are people on either side of the whole mess.

I understand that as an Irishman, Just Joe, you have been brought up in a Catholic environment (which is the first step to building an atheist, trust me), and we all know what the majority of them think. I don't mean to pick on you based on your allegiances and certainly not based on a faith that you do or do not follow, but the Pope also is virulently against any confrontation in Iraq, yet many of these conservatives ladden with their rosaries seem to forget the Pope in this issue.

(Edited by Rastafari at 2:26 am on Feb. 4, 2003)


(Edited by Rastafari at 2:27 am on Feb. 4, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

This is a scary topic, and so far a agree with every thing posted so far. But i recon abortion should be legal but only in the first few months of pregnancy. And i agree with the condom thing. However what is daft (sorry joe dont take this the wrong way i respect your religion but....) is the catholic rules on birth control, i mean isnt contraseption a sin....

[vodun]

Quote: from Rastafari on 8:13 pm on Feb. 3, 2003

Abortion is a choice, not a crime

I assume by your screen name that you're familiar with Rastafarianism. You know then that they are firmly opposed to abortion? Ever listen to Black Uhuru? Alpha Blondy wrote a song called "Abortion is a Crime" I know the dope-smoking Rastaman image might seem cool to you, but maybe you should research the causes you jump on before you claim them.

[Rastafari]

I am quite aware of that, my friend. Thank you for pointing it out to me, though. Its good to see other people educated in Rastafarianism. I, however, am no longer Rastafarian. The Pot-Smoking Image does not appeal to me and anyone claiming the sect for this purpose is a yuppie scum and should be harmed. I am a liberal before a Rastafarian now, and I have renounced Jah Rastafari, Haile Selassie I, as my God. But I very much enjoy the ideals of Rastafarianism and the factors that led up to its creation. A book I recommend on this (though, as you seem quite educated, you may have already read) is The Rastafarians, by Leonard K. Barrett. It is especially helpful in understanding the political turmoil in Jamaica that galvanized such a beautiful culture. Oh, and by the way, Reggae is not the Rastafarian Music. That is just a popular misconception brought on by the fact that Bob Marley, one of the best musicians of all time, was a Rasta. Thank you for your interest, once again.

[vodun]

Quote: from Rastafari on 3:07 am on Feb. 7, 2003
Oh, and by the way, Reggae is not the Rastafarian Music. That is just a popular misconception brought on by the fact that Bob Marley, one of the best musicians of all time, was a Rasta.I am aware that reggae does not equal Rasta, but the pro-life lyrics I've heard are from musicians claiming to be Rastafarians. That's why I cited those examples.

I used to see any reggae band that came through town where I used to live. I was fortunate enough to see Burning Spear and Toots. Outstanding. I don't follow their lifestyle or philosophy, but I dig the music.

[synthesis]

Didn't Bob Marley convert to Orthodox Christianity like three years before his death?

[Rastafari]

Cool Vodun, good for you. Is Alpha Blondy rasta though? I didn't think that they were. I think Bob Marley did not convert to orthodox christianity before his death, but moved from traditional rastafarianism to a new sect called 12 tribes. They do some different stuff, and a large rift actually took place as a direct result of his funeral; where the 12 tribes began to actually not realize that death could occur, it was just a temporary thing. 12 Tribes also assigns people to tribes based on birth dates and beleives, as Jahovah Witnesses, that only 144,000 people will pass through the gates of heaven. Before he met Rita Anderson, though, Bob Marley was an Ethiopian Orthodox, the faith of many great musicians and people(prime example, John William Coltrane-a genius plain and simple)

[Stormin Norman]

If it means less people like James on earth, I support abortions. What am I talking about? James is an abortion. Therefore, I can not condone such a disaster.

[Rastafari]

Just because you don't have a girlfriend and have to pay someone US tender to even talk dirty to you, Stormin Norman, doesn't mean that you can just stroll in here and vent your angst on people who can get laid by women. Not that this whole sexual thing is any of the problem, I just thought that I'd point this fact out before telling you this one: You have become an annoying bastard. Which leads into this statement: Leave us the fuck alone!

[James]

lol

[ID2002]

Abortion should NEVER be made into a poltical issue! It is a choice made at the individual level.

[Rastafari]

true, man, but I just wanted to see what the general opinion was.

Besides, we have no choice but to make it political to some extent, because it is the government's laws that will strip this personal choice away.

(Edited by Rastafari at 2:24 am on Feb. 8, 2003)