"The Fourth Reich" - For you capitalists

[Eastside Revolt]

Seeing as you capitalists are always preaching about what you've done for everyone and how you saved all these european countries from Nazi control, I figured you might wanna read this:

www.copvcia.com

"Early support for Hitler came from Prescott Bush through the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line -- also funded by Brown Bothers -- that funneled large sums of money and weapons to Hitler's storm troopers in the 1920s.
According to Tarpley and Chaitkin, "In May 1933, just after the Hitler regime was consolidated, an agreement was reached in Berlin for the coordination of all Nazi commerce with the U.S.A. The Harriman International Company... was to head a syndicate of 150 firms and individuals, to conduct all exports from Hitler Germany to the United States."
Furthermore, a 1942 U.S. government investigative report that surfaced during 1945 Senate hearings found that the Union Bank, with Prescott Bush on the board, was an "interlocking concern" with the German Steel Trust that had produced:

- 50.8% of Nazi Germany's pig iron
- 41.4% of Nazi Germany's universal plate
- 36% of Nazi Germany's heavy plate
- 38.5% of Nazi Germany's galvanized sheet
- 45.5% of Nazi Germany's pipes and tubes
- 22.1% of Nazi Germany's wire
- 35% of Nazi Germany's explosives
The business relationships established by Bush in 1923 continued even after the war started until they became so offensive and overt as to warrant seizure by the U.S. government under the Trading with the Enemy Act in 1942.
In 1942, "Under the Trading with the Enemy Act, the government took over Union Banking Corporation, in which Bush was a director. The U.S. Alien Property Custodian seized Union Banking Corp.'s stock shares...
"... all of which shares are held for the benefit of... members of the Thyssen family, [and] is property of nationals... of a designated enemy country."
"On October 28, the government issued orders seizing two Nazi front organizations run by the Bush-Harriman bank: the Holland-American Trading Corporation and the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation."
"Nazi interests in the Silesian-American Corporation, long managed by Prescott Bush and his father in law George Herbert Walker, were seized under the Tradinwith the Enemy Act on Nov. 17, 1942..." These seizures of Bush businesses were reported in a number of American papers including The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal.
Prescott Bush went on to become an influential Republican Senator from Connecticut who went on to be a regular golfing partner of President Dwight Eisenhower. His attorneys were the lawyers John Foster and Allen Dulles, the later became the CIA Director under Eisenhower."

And just think how many lives were spent fighting that enemy.

[Eastside Revolt]

Oh yeah, and if you didn't realize, Prescott Bush was George Dubya's grandpa.

[synthesis]

Bush Bastardliness: In The Genes? (http://www3.sympatico.ca/sworker/389-09-leftjab.html)

(Edited by DyerMaker at 8:50 am on Feb. 2, 2003)

[Stormin Norman]

Are you trying to paint the picture that the U.S. was collaborating with the Nazis?

[Umoja]

Well, money was important, so if we were collaborating with the Nazi's when we weren't directly killing them, then that would make some sense..... I mean, stuff like that does happen in America quite often.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I had already made a thread about this, can't remember where it is. :smile:

[EZCW]

The capitalists should be proud. Bush was doing whatever it took to make money, even if it meant helping to kill 10's of millions of people. As long as it helped his family establish a power dynasty, it was all worth it, right?

[Tkinter1]

"The capitalists should be proud. Bush was doing whatever it took to make money, even if it meant helping to kill 10's of millions of people. As long as it helped his family establish a power dynasty, it was all worth it, right?"

Correct

[Guest]

You try to equate the actions of one man to the actions of a whole nation. The U. S. was not for Nazi Germany.
Let's not forget that most European nations, including the USSR, were busy signing "peace" agreements with Hitler Left and Right. Let's not forget either that today France and the sanctimonious Germans have economical ties with Saddam Hussein. And Hussein has killed (and not try to hide it) thousands of men, women, and children in Kurd villages----and this didn't happen a houndred years ago or even fifity.
Let's not forget that Fascism, Socialism, Nazism, Communism are all very much alike; these isms have one thing in common: "collectivism" or centralized control of the economy and a strong centrla government with control of the press. As a matter of fact, Fascism and Socialism are two points in a line---a circle line----the further they get from each other, the closer they get to each other. In fact, Fascism is a form of Socialism.

....and the Left keeps on reclassifying and reinventing themselves after each failure.

[Stormin Norman]

Can any of you provide a credible source that backs the claim made against Prescott Bush, or George Herbert Walker? Can any of you find the primary source of this information? Just curious. By credible I mean the NY Times, Washington Post, CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, Wall Street Journal, and anything that doesn't take a biased position on the Bush family. By primary source I mean the transcipt of Senate Hearings, and docket numbers for criminal court proceedings, but I would even settle for a decent book published by a reputable company, with an extensive bibliography.

[Eastside Revolt]

Oh! by credible you mean like right wing, right?

[Guest1]

hahaha, what rediculous bullshit, someone who doesn't take a biased position with regards to the bush family, has to be a corporate goliath, right? forget that bush is giving corporate tax-cuts to exactly people like aol-time-warner.

[Stormin Norman]

No, by credible I mean someone reputable that is notorious for providing good information. I mentioned the NY Times which is considered to be a liberal paper. Even though they are liberal, they check facts, and do their homework. If what you say is true, it should not be that hard for you to provide additional sources of the type that I describe. From the insulted tone in your post, I assume this is proving to be more difficult than it should be. I am simply asking for a source that I have at least heard of before.

[Eastside Revolt]

Yeah, just keep up with the American jargon, you just make yourself sound stupid.

[Stormin Norman]

No, by spouting off unsubstantiated claims without providing reputable sources to back up your assertions, you are the one who looks stupid.

Originally I wasn't trying to be rude, as I was genuinely curious about the "information" you posted. Now I can only assume that you have nothing of value that will help you meet your burden of proof. This type of behavior only hurts your credibility, not mine. You made the claim. I called you on it. Now you are resorting to the ad hominem attack, in absence of supporting evidence.

[Eastside Revolt]

Ok stormin', I know this is completely futile but here goes. Her are MORE sources of this information and related information.(all you would have had to do was go to a search engine and type "Prescott Bush - Nazi Germany"):

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/4229/usnz.html

www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm - 9k

liberty.hypermart.net/editorials/ They_Have_Been_Called_Nazis.htm - 15k

www.madkane.com/wwwboard/messages/3356.html - 11k

www.spydersempire.com/forum/roundtable/ messages/1990.htm - 7k

www.rense.com/general34/googlingthroughthebush.htm - 13k - 1 Feb 2003

de.indymedia.org:8081/2001/09/8152.html - 33k

www.baltech.org/lederman/ bush-nazi-fortune-2-09-02.html - 40k - 1 Feb 2003

www.counterpunch.org/pipermail/counterpunch-list/ 2000-November/003805.html - 6k

www.mbpolitics.com/Bush2000/BushLegacyTreason.htm - 6k

www.thethresher.com/indiscreet.html - 39k

I know they are not "credible" by your pompous right wing standards. I'm sorry I had to call you stupid, that was wrong, your just ignorant, lost in the propoganda of it all. Peace brotha, may you one day see the light.

[Eastside Revolt]

you got roasted, nigga!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Your avatar certainly suits your personality, redcanada.

[Eastside Revolt]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[synthesis]

News to Norm: Corporate-owned mass media isn't neccessarily a credible source.

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In September of 1990, Bush announced he had top-secret satellite pictures of the Kuwait-Saudi Arabia border area that clearly showed about 250,000 Iraqi troops and 1,500 tanks ready for invade Saudi Arabia.

The media bought the story without question, except for one reporter with the St. Petersburg Times in Florida, Jean Heller.

Heller managed to purchase photographs of the Kuwait-Saudi Arabian border taken by a Russian commercial satellite.

Guess what — no troops, no tanks.

"It was a pretty serious fib," says Heller, in a pretty serious understatement.

Even when her story ran, the White House denied it and the rest of the press ignored it.

Even now the US satellite pictures are classified top-secret.

http://www.web.net/sworker/390-09-bushfamily.html


No source is 100% credible. What makes you think that the corporate newspapers aren't biased?

[Stormin Norman]

News to Norm: Corporate-owned mass media isn't neccessarily a credible source.

I know this. Some have better track records than others. However, those media outlets have a higher degree of credibility than the 10 crackpot sources that RedCanada referred me to. Roasted huh, I am also sceptical of this new claim of RedCanada's. Because RedCanda says so, it must be true. That's what I call faulty logic.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 6:58 pm on Feb. 3, 2003)

[EZCW]

SN, you neolithic fool, did you even look at the sources listed? rense and counterpunch are good sources, so is lpdallas. maybe instead of just dismissing them you provide some reason for your doing so.

[Eastside Revolt]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 1:16 am on Feb. 3, 2003

News to Norm: Corporate-owned mass media isn't neccessarily a credible source.

I know this. Some have better track records than others. However, those media outlets have a higher degree of credibility than the 10 crackpot sources that RedCanada referred me to. Roated huh, I am also sceptical of this new claim of RedCanada's. Because RedCanda says so, it must be true. That's what I call faulty logic.


At least I have my own points of view eh, your just sitting there preaching like some little kid "MY DADDY SAYS SO"

[Smoking Frog II]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 8:58 am on Feb. 2, 2003
Are you trying to paint the picture that the U.S. was collaborating with the Nazis?


http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/sfai.jpg

yes.