Shuttle incident

[Goldfinger]

7 people lost their lives. This is a sad day. Just like every other day. Innocent civilians either starve to death, get trapped in mines or get killed in terrorist/militairy raids every day. But for the cappies, only those 7 lives matter. They do represent the US and Israel!

[Xvall]

I must agree. Although I don't think that the accident was a good thing; I know that if that was some North Korean shuttle, or some Iraqi space craft; no one in this country would really give a damn.

[Umoja]

I remember Boots Riley of the Coup, commenting about this, but it really is ashame that Americans have lost two of our near and dear personalized shuttles, and I sincerely mean that. I hope this will lead to more effective shuttles being built in the future, and will also mean we can get a few more built.

[RedCeltic]

JESUS!! Don't try to turn this into another I hate America issue for crying out loud people!

[commie kg]

Very sad indeed. :(
I think this will be the end of the shuttle program as we know it.

[Blibblob]

"end of the shuttle program"

isnt that what they said after the challenger?

hopefully you were joking.

if you mean that they will increase security messures, and have better checking, HA, thats too expensive

[Anonymous]

Just woke up. Did I miss something?

[Blibblob]

no, its just trivial

[ComradeJunichi]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/02/01/s...mbia/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/02/01/shuttle.columbia/index.html)

[Anonymous]

Goddamnit!

[sin miedo]

I agree with RC.

[Tkinter1]

"if you mean that they will increase security messures, and have better checking, HA, thats too expensive"

Why do you think you know what you're talking about? You sound like a complete idiot.

[Goldfinger]

not really. he's just implying that they choose to save money instead of people's lives.

[Tkinter1]

Well he's completley wrong.

[RedRevolutionary87]

care to back that up dickwad? i just love people that say sum1 is wrong and dont care to explain. its abvious the US cares more about money than people, they wouldnt be capitalist if they didnt.

[Tkinter1]

OoO dickwad good one.

NASA does care about peoples lives, and they will increase security and saftey measures on the shuttle. The fact that blibblob is convinced that the US 'doesn't care' or 'won't do it cause its too much money' makes him wrong. Every time something has gone wrong, NASA has worked to fix it despite money issues. I don't have to back that up with anything. If you disagree with me you're wrong too. :)

[Goldfinger]

well, if that's true, I'm glad :)

[SonofRage]

As with any loss of life, it is very tragic.

[Blibblob]

Its loss of life, happens all the time, animals die, humans are animals, makes no difference.

NASA has very little funding, they dont have the money to spend on increased safty measures, one out of a hundred doesnt matter.

[Anonymous]

You mind if I kill you?

[RedRevolutionary87]

i think i can safely say in this case stalin was right in saying one mans death is a tragedy but a million dead is only a statistic

[Tkinter1]

"NASA has very little funding, they dont have the money to spend on increased safty measures, one out of a hundred doesnt matter."

Saftey is always first in line to be funded. It's really hard to run a successful space program when you have shuttles blowing up all the time becuase funding saftey was a non-issue. Don't you realise that you aren't making any sense?

[boadicea88]

I dunno, it is only 7 people, in the big picture it matters zip and in the small picture it doesnt matter that much more. I mean, sure, its sad for the families but i can't say i really care. The whole thing seems very suspicious to me, to tell the truth. For one thing- what a fortunate coincidence that Andrew Card just happened to have the TV on and just happened to decide to turn on the NASA channel (despite the fact that there are like a billion other channels he could have decided to get his kicks from), coincidentally enough just in time to watch the Columbia explode.

BTW, thank you Malte for letting me back even if to just this forum.


(Edited by boadicea88 at 10:26 pm on Feb. 1, 2003)

[Stormin Norman]

From: Red Celtic
JESUS!! Don't try to turn this into another I hate America issue for crying out loud people!

Thank you.

-I think the real concern should be with the families of the deceased.

-Great importance should be placed on what this means for the space program.

-The facts are not all in yet, and I would not rule out sabotage, incompetence, or simply an random freak accident.

-What will this mean for a future Mars mission?

-Some of you here are truly despicable, and lack the goodwill towards men that you are constantly pointing to when opposing American values. It is clear that you lack the human soul necessary to emphathize. Disgusting really.


(Edited by Stormin Norman at 5:40 pm on Feb. 2, 2003)

[synthesis]

Welcome back.

[Stormin Norman]

What's is suppose to mean?

[quote]I dunno, it is only 7 people, in the big picture it matters zip and in the small picture it doesnt matter that much

These 7 people's lives were worth more than a thousand of the ignorant leftists on this board (excluding those leftists of value). These people were true Americans and had much to offer to the world. They were among the best and brightest, and it offends me that boadice88, would make such an idiotic statement.

As for my remark about the value of leftists, I apologize to those who unfairly get lumped into that group, in advance. I guess what I should have said is that I would trade an infinte amout of boadice88's for the lives of these seven great individuals. It is clear that boadice has nothing of value to contribute to the world and fails to understand the contribution of others. What an asshole.

[RedRevolutionary87]

how can you wieght one life over another...i eman you can...but these guys were military men/women, they do nothing to help make a better society...i still feel sorrow for them, kuz a death is a death, its a horrible thing, but its also a horrible world...and there are so many other deaths that never get the attention they deserve

[synthesis]

Wasn't referring to you, SN.

[Michael De Panama]

It's a completely horrible thing. Sure, there are other horrible things, but what the hell does that have to do with this? Quit minimalizing the value of the lives that were lost by bringing up other irrelevant tragedies. This is one of the few situations that I can say I completely agree with Stormin Norman.

[boadicea88]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 9:33 pm on Feb. 1, 2003
Welcome back.


Assuming that that was aimed at me, thank you.


These 7 people's lives were worth more than a thousand of the ignorant leftists on this board (excluding those leftists of value).

Who made you God? I do recognise contributions of others, I just don't really see the contribution these individuals made other than aiding overpopulation. They didn't save anyone's lives, yet anyway, i mean they might if a better shuttle is designed by learning from and fixing whatever problem they find out. I think the money for that would be better spent on building safer, more effocoemt cars, seeing how many more people die every day in car accidents.

Besides, those 7 people are in a better place, whether they are in heaven or made nonexistant or finding a new body or whatever you believe. Even if they are in hell it is better than being here :P

But really, it doesnt matter, in, say, 2012 or even 2005 you will mention the Columbia and people will be like, the what?

As well, heres what Card had to do in order to trip onto the Columbia:

"News media covering the Space Shuttle should stay tuned to NASA Television, which is broadcast on AMC-2, transponder 9C, C-Band, located at 85 degrees West longitude. The frequency is 3880.0 MHz. Polarization is vertical and audio is monaural at 6.8 MHz. Reporters can also go to any NASA center newsroom to monitor the situation."

(From rense.com, the NASA statement story)

(Edited by boadicea88 at 10:36 pm on Feb. 1, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Hopefully they'll be able to get the shuttles back up soon. As I recall, the fleet was grounded for 2 1/2 years after Challenger. We certainly can't afford such a delay while the international space station is still under construction. That orbiting waste of taxpayer dollars needs to be finished as soon as possible, so we can focus on more important things like the Moon and Mars. I'd really hoped we'd be able to send a man to the red planet by 2015, but now with this as well as other incidents in the last year, the prospects of a manned Mars mission by then look exceedingly dim.

[Anonymous]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 11:10 am on Feb. 2, 2003
Quit minimalizing the value of the lives that were lost by bringing up other irrelevant tragedies.


My sentiments exactly. Many of you did the same thing after September 11, and it quite frankly sickens me.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:31 am on Feb. 2, 2003)

[Kapitan Andrey]

As for me:

This incident is awful!!! 7 deaths! )-:

BUT, for economical side of Russia this is very good situation!!! Because now yankee must be afraid to fly by the shuttle...so they will use our "One-time rocket carrier" Proton or Energy for the equipment or Soyuz(Union) for transportation of the people!!! (-:



(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 9:33 am on Feb. 2, 2003)

[Goldfinger]

http://www.che-lives.com/cgi/community/upload/666posts.jpg

[Stormin Norman]

Nice catch, AW. That is interesting.

[Blibblob]

Lets go way back so i can clear myself up.

What I ment by "NASA has very little funding, they dont have the money to spend on increased safty measures, one out of a hundred doesnt matter. "

Was that: how many times do shuttles crash?
This one time, out of the tons of times that they have been launched, why should they change their ways?
Accidents and mistakes happen, it happened during this launch. They most likely are going to do a cover increase in security to keep the nosy Americans off their asses.
But i doubt they will actually change anything, it worked for a long time, it was one accident, oh well.

Ah, and Dark Capitalist, if you want to kill me, youll have to be added to the list.

and i hate earth

(Edited by Blibblob at 8:49 am on Feb. 2, 2003)

[Guest]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 9:29 am on Feb. 2, 2003
As for me:

BUT, for economical side of Russia this is very good situation!!! Because now yankee must be afraid to fly by the shuttle...so they will use our "One-time rocket carrier" Proton or Energy for the equipment or Soyuz(Union) for transportation of the people!!! (-:



(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 9:33 am on Feb. 2, 2003)


You're not a leftish, you're just a closet capitalist Russian Nationalist asshole who only cares about the pathetic country called Russia.

Yoy obviously are an ass who loves when 7 very talented people die so some pathetic little Russian dream of yours comes true.Nice choice of words, too you little worm.Now go swim in your little pool of ignorance and pathetic English skills.

[sin miedo]

If you're gonna attack someone's english skills, at least make sure your post is flawless. (No I'm not defending Kapitan Andrey)

[Michael De Panama]

Sin Miedo, you should have capitalized the "E" in "English", as well as placed a comma after the word "No", and a period after "Andrey". Also, "gonna" isn't a word. It's just a Western Hemisphere slurring of the words "going to".

[Guest1]

Well, I'm sad for the 7 people killed. However, I'm disgusted once again at the opportunistic bastards at CNN who have once again dropped every other story to run this one. This is overkill, and very disrespectful. They've once again belittled a tragedy, just more money for CNN. 24 hour coverage for this long can only lead to one thing, people will feel sad for a couple of hours, then they WON'T GIVE A FUCK anymore. And yes, I know you would hate for me to mention this, but what the fuck happened to the war? Isn't it slightly rediculous that this should completely overwhelm the coverage of a war out there?

[Stormin Norman]

Well, I'm sad for the 7 people killed. However, I'm disgusted once again at the opportunistic bastards at CNN who have once again dropped every other story to run this one. This is overkill, and very disrespectful. They've once again belittled a tragedy, just more money for CNN. 24 hour coverage for this long can only lead to one thing, people will feel sad for a couple of hours, then they WON'T GIVE A FUCK anymore. And yes, I know you would hate for me to mention this, but what the fuck happened to the war? Isn't it slightly rediculous that this should completely overwhelm the coverage of a war out there?

Agreed. 24 hours covering the same exact story can only lead to one thing, declining ratings. I know I quit watching all the News Channels about 36 hours ago. I will wait for the facts in the case rather than sit around listening to everyone's opinion on the matter.

[Eastside Revolt]

It's amazing, thet even someone like Stormin' Normin' gets sick of that shit.

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 3:44 pm on Feb. 1, 2003
OoO dickwad good one.

NASA does care about peoples lives, and they will increase security and saftey measures on the shuttle. The fact that blibblob is convinced that the US 'doesn't care' or 'won't do it cause its too much money' makes him wrong. Every time something has gone wrong, NASA has worked to fix it despite money issues. I don't have to back that up with anything. If you disagree with me you're wrong too. :)


NASA caring about lives? yeah I am sure they care about lives while ariming space with nuclear missles. the whole space program is a joke and should be scraped it holds no real value. whats the point to going to mars or building a space station when the real problems are on Earth?

[LeonardoDaVinci]

This is very sad news. I think that many of my leftist colleagues in here are being very childish in attempting to turn this into another SocialismVSCapitalism *****ing contest. The fact of the matter is that 7 lives were lost tragically in this space mission, and may I point out that these 7 men and women were extremely gifted and exceptional individuals who were contributing to the advancement of science for all MANKIND. This is a great setback to the space programme.

This is also very surreal because last week I had an interview with the European Space Agency (ESA) in the Netherlands and one of the things we discussed in the interview was space vehicle accidents such as the Ariane 5 and the Challenger.

Although as a socialist I do agree that space programmes do require huge funds, I nevertheless think that unlike the ridiculously obsene defence budgets of many countries this is one area where money should be invested. After all, space travel is about exploring the boundaries of our universe and gaining better knowledge of our planet.

My major concern now is that those narrow-minded idiots in Congress will be tempted to dismiss future space programmes and opt to divert the money to more essential programmes such as DEFENCE or TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH.

However, there's good news in that ESA has declared recently that they are planning to send humans to Mars within the next 30 years, and hopefully such a declaration will spur other nations such as America, Russia and China to follow suit.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 9:29 am on Feb. 2, 2003
As for me:

This incident is awful!!! 7 deaths! )-:

BUT, for economical side of Russia this is very good situation!!! Because now yankee must be afraid to fly by the shuttle...so they will use our "One-time rocket carrier" Proton or Energy for the equipment or Soyuz(Union) for transportation of the people!!! (-:



(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 9:33 am on Feb. 2, 2003)


LOL, LOL, LOL Thanks, Kapitan Andrey

You've provided some excellent comedy relief in an otherwise somber thread.

Just think: NASA buying Russian space modules!

LOL, LOL, LOL, LOL, ROFL, LMAO that is a classic.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Kapitan Andrey on 9:29 am on Feb. 2, 2003
As for me:

This incident is awful!!! 7 deaths! )-:

BUT, for economical side of Russia this is very good situation!!! Because now yankee must be afraid to fly by the shuttle...so they will use our "One-time rocket carrier" Proton or Energy for the equipment or Soyuz(Union) for transportation of the people!!! (-:



(Edited by Kapitan Andrey at 9:33 am on Feb. 2, 2003)


LOL, I just had to read it again! LOL, LOL

A one time use rocket circa 1970's in lieu of a reuseable space vehicle eons ahead of russian capability. Yeah, we'll opt for that, ROFL, LMAO.

Russian space technology is hardly near american standards. Nasa will make some adjustments and continue with the space shuttle program, I am 100% confident of that. Besides, even if we did decide on an alternative space vehicle, NASA would design, engineer, and build it themselves, we would not buy some POS russian module. Russian hardware has always neen a joke.

Heck, we even had to give russia the money so russia could contribute to the intrnational space station in the 1st place. How does that work?

By the way, if anyone thinks this disaster will halt the US space program, go back and study US space program history, and tell me how many of the unfortunate accidents we have had have stopped us or scared us in the past. This is still a pioneering and dangerous field, and 100's of launches does not mean it is routine or without risk.

100's of launches WITHOUT incident is more of a testament to the safety of our systems, the capability and bravery of the men, women, and the ability of the macines of NASA that have acheived so many successful missions safely in an endeavor so wrought with risk and inherent danger.

[sin miedo]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 11:13 am on Feb. 3, 2003
Sin Miedo, you should have capitalized the "E" in "English", as well as placed a comma after the word "No", and a period after "Andrey". Also, "gonna" isn't a word. It's just a Western Hemisphere slurring of the words "going to".


Exactly.

[redbhoy59]

Quote: from truthaddict11 on 5:03 pm on Feb. 3, 2003
[quote]
NASA caring about lives? yeah I am sure they care about lives while ariming space with nuclear missles. the whole space program is a joke and should be scraped it holds no real value. whats the point to going to mars or building a space station when the real problems are on Earth?


Thank you truthaddict11. I was reading this whole thread wondering when someone would have the sence to question the space program.
Sure,it sucks that people died. We all agree on that.
This country spends billions of dollars on a space program when we don't even have national health care. We spend billions on a space program when our inner city schools are falling apart, the unemployment rate is out of hand, and the 14th highest infant mortality rate (last I checked) in the world. And we're the richest country on the planet.
We spend billions on a space program for two reasons: 1) To show the rest of the world that the USA has the biggest penis. 2) Beginning stages (as someone mentioned earlier) to arm space with nukes so no other nation on earth can sneeze with out our saying it's OK.

Well that's my two cents, but what do I know I'm the new guy around here.

[Guest1]

More importantly, would you trust humanity with an inhabitable planet in say another 100 years if we still haven't learned to be in harmony with this one's environment? Just more ground for battle and more landfills. Just means we'll say "FUCK earth! we don't need to deal with pollution, just move!". Then what? The poor wouldn't afford space travel, stuck on every shit planet the rich leave behind. And we'd never get around to cleaning shit up.

Cancel the interplanetary space program. We gotta deal with this, the money would help, and it would force the slowdown of that horrible day when we decide we can move before cleaning house.l

[canikickit]

Instead of your boss living in a better part of town, he lives in a better part of the universe. Scary thoughts.

[American Kid]

In response to RR87's comment on page three of this thread,

The only good thing Stalin ever said was:

"Oh shit, I'm dead."

-AK

(Edited by American Kid at 8:45 am on Feb. 4, 2003)

[El Brujo]

My heart goes out to the crew members and their families. The media do a great job of turning every tragedy into ultra-nationalist garbage. It is a HUMAN tragedy, not an "American" tragedy. Mind you, there was also an Indian woman in the crew.

Anyhow, the space program is in the middle of preparing a cheaper, lighter and safer shuttle at the moment.

[boadicea88]

Quote: from Michael De Panama on 10:13 pm on Feb. 2, 2003
Sin Miedo, you should have capitalized the "E" in "English", as well as placed a comma after the word "No", and a period after "Andrey". Also, "gonna" isn't a word. It's just a Western Hemisphere slurring of the words "going to".


Commas and periods go inside quotation marks. :P

I needed to get rid of my 666 posts, see.