I Submitt: America Should Resign from the UN - I've has enou

[Capitalist Imperial]

How long must the USA coddle to the whims of such an abhorrent bureucracy?

America basically founded the UN, and now we are subject not only its ludicrous scrutiny, but unreasonable restrictions that it attempts to impose that compromise our ability to protect our sovereignty and secure our interests. The child that was to be a harbinger of world democracy has grown into a monster of red tape and useless "councils" that stall the engine of progress.

I applaud the Bush administration for adherring to the notion that they will proceed to topple Saddam Hussein's Regime and liberate Iraq regardles of what the UN security council concludes.

Kofi Annan and his ilk have outgrown their usefulness. It is time for immediate disbandment from the UN and non-recognition of it's mandates.

America's interests must not be subject to a self-serving political monolith with more interest in propogating useless legislation like the Kyoto treaty than assisting the world's greatest benefactor.

Disbandnment from the UN: A policy good for America!

[Blibblob]

what?

Yes the US founded the UN, that means that the UN's moral standards and rules, the US made up. If they want to break them, then i think the entire country deserves the fate of the legend of Atlantis(i think ill move first). The US is a bureucracy, if you havent noticed.

[Stormin Norman]

Kofi Annan and his ilk have outgrown their usefulness.

As if they ever had any usefulness.


It is time for immediate disbandment from the UN and non-recognition of it's mandates.

Agreed.

[Xvall]

Lol. Good idea. You've gotten me in the mood. First thing tomorrow morning, I'm going to break ALL ties with police department! I am sick and tired or their beaurocratic rules! I shall decide which of my neighbors are of a significant threat for me to kill! Fuck the police! Woo! Long live self-righteousness!

[j]

When will people start to realize that we are americans but part of the WORLD community?

Didn't september the fucking 11th show you assholes that we need to be aware of the world beyond our borders? 9/11 could happen again. In fact, there is little we can do stop it. But the first step to a solution is recognizing that we must co-exist with people who do not believe as most americans do. We need to stop interfering in the affairs of other nations for selfish reasons. We can fight a war on terror all we want but terror is not a regime or a philosophy--it is a tactic. Instead of trying to prevent this tactic being used, we need to understand why people feel the way they do and are then prompted to use this tactic.

Number one lesson from 9/11: WE ARE NOT ALONE. WE CAN NOT ACT ALONE. WE ARE PART OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY. WE MUST ACT IN DEMOCRATIC AGREEMENT WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD.

Withdrawing from the UN only further isolates us and provokes terrorism. The atlantic and the pacific can not any longer protect us--and neither can bull-headed aggression. Diplomacy is the only way to secure the future of this nation--NOT WAR!!!!

j

[Stormin Norman]

Lol. Good idea. You've gotten me in the mood. First thing tomorrow morning, I'm going to break ALL ties with police department! I am sick and tired or their beaurocratic rules! I shall decide which of my neighbors are of a significant threat for me to kill! Fuck the police! Woo! Long live self-righteousness!

-The difference lies in the fact that the police department has enough balls to uphold the laws they are responsible for executing.

-You wouldn't seriously make the claim that U.N. law supercedes the constitution of the United States, would you?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from j on 12:04 am on Feb. 1, 2003
When will people start to realize that we are americans but part of the WORLD community?

Didn't september the fucking 11th show you assholes that we need to be aware of the world beyond our borders? 9/11 could happen again. In fact, there is little we can do stop it. But the first step to a solution is recognizing that we must co-exist with people who do not believe as most americans do. We need to stop interfering in the affairs of other nations for selfish reasons. We can fight a war on terror all we want but terror is not a regime or a philosophy--it is a tactic. Instead of trying to prevent this tactic being used, we need to understand why people feel the way they do and are then prompted to use this tactic.

Number one lesson from 9/11: WE ARE NOT ALONE. WE CAN NOT ACT ALONE. WE ARE PART OF THE WORLD COMMUNITY. WE MUST ACT IN DEMOCRATIC AGREEMENT WITH THE REST OF THE WORLD.

Withdrawing from the UN only further isolates us and provokes terrorism. The atlantic and the pacific can not any longer protect us--and neither can bull-headed aggression. Diplomacy is the only way to secure the future of this nation--NOT WAR!!!!

j


"Lets undetstand their anger, lets understand their pain"

"lets 'talk' with them"

"lets open a friggin 'dialogue'"

Do you honestly think that muslim fundamentalists that want you and every single American dead no matter what you say or do want to talk?

They think it is their religious destiny to destroy us, they would love to tortue you and kill you, j.

No, j, not just kill americn foreign policy, but YOU, j, the person, the individual in front of the computer monitor proposing that we sing Cumbaya and share a friggin' Coke with murderers of our people.

I don't care why they dislike the USA. They take our assistance one year, then scrutinize us the next.

Why didn't they dislike us while we were funding their revolution against the Soviets? It is hypocricy at it's finest!

They have committed too many terrorist acts against us, and sept 11th was not the 1st incident, but in fact the final straw.

American forces will continue to search for, root out, and exterminate these despots of evil wherever they hide.

The only ones that need to "talk" are the terrorists: Tell us where you and your colleagues are so we can terminate you with extreme prejudice.

[j]

If your point was so valid why is not shared by the rest of the world?

And when did I advocate the singing of anything?

And when did the Iraqis become the murderers of americans?

If the US acts alone they will only increase the anti-american sentiment in not only the region but the world. It doesn't make any sense.

I am truly MORE afraid of terrorism if we go to war with Iraq than if we don't.

As for Isalmic fundamentalists--we could appease them in two very courageous acts:

1. Pulling troops from Saudi Arabia out of respect for Mecca.

2. Stop aiding Isreal.

If we began to understand that we can not act alone in the world we would continue as active members of the world community. That means participating fully in the UN and the international criminal court among other things.

We need to stop acting like we are the boss' of the world. We are merely members among other members. If the US understood this role than I doubt america would continue to be looked upon by the rest of the world as the great evil.

There's no singing and no coke. Only true diplomacy and negotiations. This is no touchy-feely approach. It is a realistic look at the world and our place in it.

If you strongly feel that the US should dominate the world in order to protect its interests you are putting your children's lives in peril. If the US is to fall as a world power--what will replace it? No, my comrades, it probably won't be a communist utopia. I think it was Einstien who said that he didn't know with what weapons world war III would be fought, but world war IV will be fought with sticks and stones. To continue to push the issue of US domination of the world and its resources is to assure the destruction of the US.

j

[Umoja]

Furthermore, you need to realize that true peace and prosperity can't exist for all people until we realize we are all one people, and one nation. We are all the same species, and thats what the UN tries to assert, and yes, it's "authority" to suggest and with a coalition enforce national laws does supercede many national constitutions, if not all. Doesn't the UN supercede Iraq? Didn't it supercede European Imperialism, even when they helped create the UN as well?

[Valkyrie]

"I applaud the Bush administration for adherring to the notion that they will proceed to topple Saddam Hussein's Regime and liberate Iraq regardles of what the UN security council concludes."


How can you liberate the Iraqi people if you kill them all with bombs? HUH?????

If they really had intentions of Liberating the people, they would evacuate them before they carpet bomb.

It's OIl for Profit.. It's not even oil for the American people.. it's oil to pad Bush and Cheney's personal oil investments..

[canikickit]

Do you honestly think that muslim fundamentalists that want you and every single American dead no matter what you say or do want to talk?

I think you should consider the reasons why they want you dead. They are not as simple as "with us or against us". The US should remove all it's forces from everywhere on the planet other than US waters and land.


Why didn't they dislike us while we were funding their revolution against the Soviets? It is hypocricy at it's finest!

This is too good to be true!

[Xvall]

-The difference lies in the fact that the police department has enough balls to uphold the laws they are responsible for executing.

The UN upholds their laws. CI seems to be content that he is under the UN's shackles even though they have yet to make a decicion on the situation. This is like me complaining that the police aren't arresting the person I want them to before they even gather any information on the suspect.

-You wouldn't seriously make the claim that U.N. law supercedes the constitution of the United States, would you?

I was under the impression that UN laws and rights were the same as American laws and rights.

[truthaddict11]

CI the UN is the USAs puppetThere is no United Nations. There is an international community that occasionally can be led by the only real power left in the world, and that is the United States, when it suits our interest, and when we can get others to go along.... When the United States leads, the United Nations will follow. When it suits our interest to do so, we will do so. When it does not suit our interests we will not.

—John Bolton, Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and
International Security Affairs in the current Bush administration

http://isreview.org/issues/26/thieves_kitchen.shtml

[Jaha]

IN HISTORY PAST, THE UNITED FUCKING STATES HAS REFERED TO THE UNITED NATIONS AS A TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY. MOST PEOPLE CALL THIS DEMOCRACY.

THE UN IS TOO CIVILIZED FOR THE US OF A.

I AM SHAMED (BUT NOT SURPRISED) TO HEAR THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SPLIT FROM THE UN.

(NO, MY CAPS LOCK BUTTON ISN'T PLAYING GAMES WITH ME)

[Anonymous]

Tyranny is still tyranny regardless of who is exercising it.

The UN allows brutal communist regimes and third world autocracies to undermine the sovereignty of just nations like the United States through a quasi-legitimate world legislative body.

[canikickit]

The difference lies in the fact that the police department has enough balls to uphold the laws they are responsible for executing.


The U.N. Human Rights Commission

Indeed, it is far more serious than that. On 19 October 2000 a Special Session of the U.N. Commission on Human Rights adopted a Resolution set forth in U.N. Document E/CN.4/S-5/L.2/Rev. 1, "Condemning the provocative visit to Al-Haram Al-Sharif on 28 September 2000 by Ariel Sharon, the Likud party leader, which triggered the tragic events that followed in occupied East Jerusalem and the other occupied Palestinian territories, resulting in a high number of deaths and injuries among Palestinian civilians." The U.N. Human Rights Commission then said it was "[g]ravely concerned" about several different types of atrocities inflicted by Israel upon the Palestinian People, which it denominated "war crimes, flagrant violations of international humanitarian law and crimes against humanity."

Yes, Norm the UN's regulations have been breached. By a state which the US supplies with three billion a year. The US is supposed to be a part of the UN. I think it is a conflict of interests. The US is a rogue nation.

[Hampton]

Speaking of rogue nation, did you ever see the list of UN resolutions that the US is the sole abstainer? No wonder CI wants them to leave the UN because you know who wants to recognize the right of every state to choose its economic and social system in accord with the will of its people, without outside interference in whatever form it takes.(36/19)

Or declare that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.(36/133)

Promote international mobilization against apartheid(37/69E)? No way!

Prevent arms race in outer space?(37/83) Nah.

Necessity of a convention on the prohibition of chemical and bacteriological weapons?(37/98A? No thanks.

International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crimes of Apartheid?(38/19) Why would they, they used former nazi's in the government.

Establishment of a comprehensive system of international peace and security?(41/92) Don't think so.

A call for a "convention on the rights of the child"?(42/101) Fuck that!

and the best one

Measures to prevent international terrorism, study the underlying political and economic causes of terrorism, convene a conference to define terrorism and to differentiate it from the struggle of people for national liberation(42/159)? Whoops, too late.

[Anonymous]

Or declare that education, work, health care, proper nourishment, national development are human rights.(36/133)

None of the things listed are to be considered rights.

[Hampton]

Glad you think people should starve and remain ignorant.

[Umoja]

It's why Republicans love Black people.

http://www.ucomics.com/boondocks/2003/01/31/