Chemical Weapons suits found in Mosque - Same thing is proba

[Stormin Norman]

This story goes to show you that I am correct in my assumptions that certain groups of people should be under severe scrutiny. Infiltrating the Islamic community is in order.

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/st...255E663,00.html (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,5893857%255E663,00.html)

Four have been charged for plotting with the deadly toxin known as Ricin. Looks like England may get hit first with WMD.

http://europe.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01...son.extremists/ (http://europe.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/07/terror.poison.extremists/)

[FreeVenezuela]

For these reasons people like saddam hussein are dangerous. Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction and i dont doubt he has already sold some to terrorists groups to attack western countries.

[Capitalist Imperial]

We must remain vigilant in the war on terror, and as SN said, heavily scrutinize those who fit the profile of suspected terrorists.

The hunt for OBL and al queda cells will continue. They are against the ropes and unable to stage any major operations at this point as they are preoccupied with staying underground.

Terror arrests are made almost weekly as plot aafter plot is foiled in the USA, Europe, and arund the world.

Saddam Hussein and his reign of terror will soon be eradicated from Iraq, and regime change is imminent.

The price of peace is eternal vigilance, and America will never give in to these horrible despots.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 3:54 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
heavily scrutinize those who fit the profile of suspected terrorists.
hmmm......http://smileyonline.free.fr/images/gif/diable/vignette1/thumbnails/BigLaughDevil_gif.gif

[ID2002]

....this situation frusterates the hell out of me. Why doesn't the USA start learning from its mistakes!!!! Quite trying to rule the world..your going to get others killed...in the name of what!? Self centred pride!?

....get over your ego... you ain't going to be laughing when someone puts a 1 lbs of ricin in the water system or drops a nuke in washington. What are you going to do then...destroy the rest of the world. Common, this is damn serious!!!

[sabre]

i love how SN and CI in response to the Chemical Weapon shells being found seem to forget that the united states sold Iraq a bunch of chemical weapons during the Iran Iraq war, and dont seem perplexed by the fact that the united states is actuing surprised in finding them now, like no one ever knew about it

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from sabre on 4:50 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
i love how SN and CI in response to the Chemical Weapon shells being found seem to forget that the united states sold Iraq a bunch of chemical weapons during the Iran Iraq war, and dont seem perplexed by the fact that the united states is actuing surprised in finding them now, like no one ever knew about it

Events from 20 years ago are immaterial to the current situation.

[Goldfinger]

so holocaust never happened?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 5:33 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
so holocaust never happened?

No, it happened, and it was horrible.

You draw a false analogy.

But you give me a good example to use:

Americas funding of Iraq in a 20 year old war has about as much to do with the current standoff as the holocaust.

[Corvus Corax]

Ever heard of planted evidence. I could go and shove a kilo or 2 of anthrax (not that I have any) in your closet, and you'd propbably suspect yourself as a terrorist.

[Goldfinger]

but CI, you have to admit that funding Iraq was a horrible thing to do

[sabre]

CI that is bullshit. What happened 20 years ago is for sure related to today. When you sell a country chemical weapons, then 20 years later act as if its a suprise that they possess chemical weapons thats fucking propaganda bull shit and you know it. If we are asked to forget history - we are succeptible to the bullshit propaganda that YOU have fallen victim to - history is a reference point for the actions of today

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Corvus Corax on 5:55 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Ever heard of planted evidence. I could go and shove a kilo or 2 of anthrax (not that I have any) in your closet, and you'd propbably suspect yourself as a terrorist.


Lay of the weed, CC

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from sabre on 6:07 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
CI that is bullshit. What happened 20 years ago is for sure related to today. When you sell a country chemical weapons, then 20 years later act as if its a suprise that they possess chemical weapons thats fucking propaganda bull shit and you know it. If we are asked to forget history - we are succeptible to the bullshit propaganda that YOU have fallen victim to - history is a reference point for the actions of today


The notion that I am "brainwashed" or am a "victim of propoganda" are pure ad hominem responses, and lack substance.

I have made my own decision based on a wide variety of information from different and varied viewpoints, and from several independent sources.

You see, Sabre, we never said or implied that it would be a "surprise" that they would have chemical weapons. To the contrary, we knew they did, and that is my point.

We told Iraq to disclose any weapons programs they have (they are allowed to have some) and stop any weapons and weapons programs (with emphasis on WMD) in violation of the US security council resolution. They must prove this has been done.

Not only have they not proven it, but today the Bush administration will furnish proof that they are also tied to al-queda and the events of sept 11th, 2001.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Let me tell you the story of a the Muslims and the Jews in a Christian captalist society.

600 years ago the Christian captalist society started to get suspicous about Jews. They were admiring another god, "you could never know what a dirty Jew did behind your back", the common man felt endangerd and didn't want to wait for "the smoking gun" of the Jews. So to avoid that they would get killed by Jews ,they threw them out of their lands and even killed them. Still Jews stayed in Europe and the treatment continued untill...
A certain day when a young frustrated man from Beieren, Germany blaimed the Jews of his own problems and failures. The young man was very ambitious and soon he was the leader of Germany. Now he felt that his reich was endangerd by the "Ewige Jude", he had to find an "Eindlossing". He found a solution, the Jews of Europe had to go to camps where they could serve humanity. It all seemed so nice ,untill Germany got wacken up by the rolling tanks and the heat of the bombs.

Now let me tell the story of the Muslims in a Christian/Jew captalist society. One and a half year ago, the common men from the C/J society got scared, the "sandnigger" and "towelheads" had crushed themselfs into their beloved piece of concrete. Afteral you "could never know what a dirty lil towelhead does behing your back". This asked for immediat action, afteral we don't want to wait for the "smoking gun", once again the people got scared, feed by the typical muslim figures shown at CNN, Mosq's and "sandniggers" got killed and beaten for his skincolor.
At a certain day a man, not so very young anymore, had to pay back his financers from his young ambitious days. Often this man was called dumb, but atleast he knew how to abuse the situation, just by looking at history.

History repeats itself, but with small changes. Same thing here. There is only one step left in this story.......don't let it end.

[Anonymous]

The jews have been persecuted for well over 2,000 years. Not to mention capitalism did not yet exist as an economic system 600 years ago.

[Anonymous]

The rest of your post is just some wildy fallacious comparison between the persecution of the Jews and the current war on terror. I'm not going to waste my time trying to refute it. Anyone with half a brain could see how idiotic such a comparison is.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Besides, the Jews and the christians actually believe in the same god. It is their view of christ that is different.

Christians believe that Christ was the son of god (and god at the same time)

Jews just believed that he was another prophet, but not a deity.

[sabre]

exactly CI dont you think the united states would remember something like giving them chemical weapons in the past, instead of throwing it in Iraq's face like the discovery of them is a suprise or something

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from sabre on 6:55 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
exactly CI dont you think the united states would remember something like giving them chemical weapons in the past, instead of throwing it in Iraq's face like the discovery of them is a suprise or something

they are not the same weapons

[Stormin Norman]

i love how SN and CI in response to the Chemical Weapon shells being found seem to forget that the united states sold Iraq a bunch of chemical weapons during the Iran Iraq war, and dont seem perplexed by the fact that the united states is actuing surprised in finding them now, like no one ever knew about it

Hey fuckface! I don't suppose you would care to provide any sources for your bullshit allegation that the U.S. supplied Iraq with chemical and biological weapons. You are helping to propagate a lie. Until you can find one credible shred of evidence that supports you lame-brained theory, I would keep my mouth shut. Yes,we backed Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war. No, we never provided weapons that violated the 1972 Bioweapons Treaty. I hardly doubt that we would have so openly violated this world renowned treaty in blantant disregard for the rest of the world. Russia did, we did not. In fact, we have completely dismantled the chemical and biological weapons facilities, and have embarked on the difficult task of eliminating stockpiles. Our focus in the Bio-Chemical weapons divisions has shifted to a purely preventative effort. Until you know about what you are speaking of, I suggest you refrain from making remarks that make you look dumber than the average lab rat.

[synthesis]

From: http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/09.30A.byrd.wmd.htm

[...]

Will Saddam Hussein unleash botulinum toxin, perhaps nature's deadliest poison, and other viruses and chemicals if the United States attacks Iraq?

Sen. Robert C. Byrd, D-W.Va., posed this question to the Senate on Thursday, based on documents obtained from different federal agencies.

"We have a paper trail," Byrd said. "We not only know that Iraq has biological weapons, we know the type, the strain, and the batch number of the germs that may have been used to fashion those weapons. We know the dates they were shipped and the addresses to which they were shipped.

"We have in our hands the equivalent of a Betty Crocker cookbook of ingredients that the U.S. allowed Iraq to obtain and that may well have been used to concoct biological weapons."

Those shipments included:

Between 1985 and 1988, the nonprofit American Type Culture Collection made 11 shipments to Iraq that included a "witches' brew of pathogens," including anthrax, botulinum toxin and gangrene. All shipments were government-approved.

Between January 1980 and October 1993, the federal Centers for Disease Control shipped a variety of toxic specimens to Iraq, including West Nile virus and Dengue fever.

The U.S. Commerce Department and CDC provided lists of these shipments. "The Defense Department ought to have the same lists, so that the decision-makers will know exactly what types of biological agents American soldiers may face in the field," Byrd said.

[...]



Observe how this right-wing scum is going to attempt to evade the issue, intentionally misinterpret the evidence, and make an all-around fool of itself.

Such an effort to forewarn may not even be necessary considering the lengths this utter parasite has made to make itself as predicable as is humanly possible.

Yes, my friends, watch it deny the fact that a U.S. Senator provided evidence of the U.S. supplying Iraq with means of producing weapons of mass destruction, and watch it typically refuse to summarily remove its head from its anal passage and learn something in the process.

Typical.

[Stormin Norman]

I have dealt with this subject before. Dyermaker, this is the most dishonest attempt at a blatant lie I have ever witnessed. Fact is, these types of materials have been shared among academic instituions for years. The materials needed to make this stuff exist at many colleges. The fact that the Department of Commerce signed off on shipments sent from the University of Iowa hardly equates to the United States government deliberately engineering a bio-chemical weapons division for Iraq. You are trying to paint the wrong picture. The growth medium and biological agents shipped are widely used by scientists in the field. At the time of the shipments there were no sanctions on Iraq, and we allowed such materials to fall into the hands of Iraq in "good faith". What you are trying to do is distort the issue. The issue is lazy regulation of such materials in the academic arena, not the U.S. deliberately providing Iraq with weapons, like you suggest. You are a liar!

[Stormin Norman]

Description: ATCC is a global bioscience organization that provides products, technical services, and educational programs to private industry, government, and academic organizations around the world. The mission of ATCC is to acquire, authenticate, and maintain reference cultures, related biological materials, and associated data, and to distribute these to qualified scientists in government, industry and education.

Source: http://www.library.ucsf.edu/biosites/data/175.html

[Stormin Norman]

-"I think it's absolute nonsense," Richard Spertzel, the former head of the United Nations' biological inspections team in Iraq, says of the bio-weapons charge. "To help the program implies doing something consciously. There is absolutely no indication whatsoever that the U.S. did anything to help the Iraqi biological-weapons or chemical-weapons program on a knowledgeable basis."

The American Type Culture Collection, a Manassas, Va.,-based nonprofit that makes biological cultures and products available for research purposes around the world, shipped anthrax strains to Iraq in the 1980s — providing the basis for the charge that "we" gave Saddam anthrax.

But the culture collection isn't an arm of the U.S. government. Nor did it intend to give the material to Iraq for nefarious purposes. The transfers occurred at a time when anthrax was still primarily thought of as a veterinary disease.

source: National Review (http://www.nationalreview.com/lowry/lowry.asp)

[Stormin Norman]

I would be more concerned over Germany's (http://www.bulldognews.net/iraq-france.html) connection to Iraq than America's.

-China sells Iraq weapons systems: its fibre optic cables underpin Iraq's air defences. Russian companies now profit from the absence of competition in Baghdad. France has a long and continuing history of ingratiating itself with Saddam's regime. If any of them blocks a swift resolution, it will stand condemned.-Tom Minchin
Melbourne, Australia

Source:http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,...,800595,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/letters/story/0,3604,800595,00.html)

"Last year, France ranked No. 1 among European countries doing business with Iraq, with $1.5 billion in trade, followed by Italy, with $1 billion. Among the countries that trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program, France ranked third, with $3.1 billion in trade since the program's start 1996. French trade under the program was surpassed only by Russia, with $4.3 billion, and Egypt, according to United Nations diplomats."

Gee, I see that it is only U.S. capitalism that you leftwing pinkos are capable of criticizing. If I were looking to indict capitalism, I would cite cases like French oil giant TotalFinaElf's economic interests in Iraq, and how France's economic policy presents a dangerous threat to the rest of the world. By partnering up with a madmad, France once again aligns itself with a Hitlerian madman.

France has done more to help with Iraqi weapons, and in more of a deliberate way. I find the following account to be very disturbing:

"In March, Nabel Musawi of the London-based Iraqi National Congress told ABC News that Baghdad bought seven refrigerated trucks from Renault Trucks, the French company that is owned by Volvo of Sweden, and converted them into biological arms laboratories"
Source: NY Times (http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/0919threats.htm)


China is no angel in all of this. In November 2000 Foreign Minister Tang Jianxuan held talks with Iraqis Deputy Prime Minister where he expressed interest in expanding "friendly cooperation with Iraq in the political, cultural, trade, economic and other areas, intensify mutual visits at various levels and further promote bilateral economic and trade ties between China and Iraq, in particular."

Source: http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/China/...fa-11-27-00.htm (http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/China/china-mfa-11-27-00.htm)

China has also helped beef up Iraq's missile technology. This missile fuel deal only scratchs the surface of Chinese ties to Iraq.

Source: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021016...16-81068264.htm (http://www.washtimes.com/national/20021016-81068264.htm)

North Korea's newly found missile range is no coincidence. China also had a hand in new tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

For all of the talk you leftist allocate to the importance of international law, I find it funny that none of you appear concerned over Russia and China breaking Iraqi embargoes for the purpose of selling weapons technology.

Source: BBC News (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2591351.stm)

As far as biological weapons are concerned, I would be far more concerned about the vaccine-resistant strains of smallpox coming out of Corpus One, than I would about the U.S. program that was killed about thirty years ago. The prospect of Ebolapox is a very frightening development. Reports have surface about Russia creating such a nasty weapon. The Alibekov strain of anthrax was developed by a Russian scientist and is reportedly 4 times deadlier than natural anthrax. The scientists with this know how went to work for rouge nations after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Source: CNN (http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/europe/9812/08/russia.germs/)


Your immature worldview and misplaced concern over the "evils of America" seem to ignore the true threats that are amassing in the world. It is no surprise that those countries with economic ties to Iraq are the most outspoken against the prospect of war in Iraq. Sadly enough China, Russia, France, and Germany all have oil and weapons deals with the despotic Saddam Hussien and his regime. Even more alarming remains the vile nature of the weapons they developed, their lack of concern over the security of their weapons information, and the lack of importance placed on a possible attack with something like ebolapox. What is it going to take for you illiberals to learn that the threat is real. If smallpox is released, there is no telling what rate the disease will spread. The k factor for this agent is unknown. Previous models operate under the assumption that ring vaccination works. With genetic work exposing the virus to the IL-4 gene, there is reason to believe a vaccine will not be effective. The human death toll could surpass anything we have see before in history. Wake up! This is not a partisan, anti-American issue. This is an issue for all humanity, even the vermin on the left. Smallpox will not care that you stuck up for Saddam Hussein as he produced his NBC weapons. You will be dead.

[suffianr]

A glance at the thread's title sort of reminded me of a similar headline I had once seen, somewhere:

Dutch Communists Found Near Reichstag

[Stormin Norman]

A glance at the thread's title sort of reminded me of a similar headline I had once seen, somewhere:

Dutch Communists Found Near Reichstag

I fail to see to comparison.