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FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 01:55
Link: http://www.insightmag.com/news/342429.html

The World: Venezuela
Chavez Plans for Terrorist Regime
Posted Dec. 24, 2002
By Martin Arostegui in Caracas

Castro, left, and Chavez meet two to three times a week for strategy sessions.



At 9:29 p.m. on March 8, Hakim Mamad Ali Diab Fattah landed at Venezuela's Simón Bolívar International Airport on board Delta Flight 397. The Venezuelan-born Arab had been the subject of international surveillance because he had taken lessons at two New Jersey flight schools attended by Hani Hanjour, who crashed American Airlines Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

The FBI had arrested Fattah in the United States after discovering that he also had talked about blowing up an airliner and had used forged identity documents. Information about him was requested from Venezuela's internal security service, Direccion de Inteligencia Seguridad y Prevencion (DISIP). But little was forthcoming other than psychiatric records showing that he was a diagnosed schizophrenic who had failed to attend therapy for more than a year.

Top-level members of Venezuela's security services now are shedding some light on the mystery. Gen. Marcos Ferreira, who recently resigned as director of the Venezuelan national guard's border control, Departamento de Extranjeria (DX), says that DISIP picked up Fattah directly from the plane and escorted him into a waiting car parked on the runway.

Fattah represents the tip of an iceberg, according to security officials, confirming that Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has been setting up a terrorist regime to overthrow the constitution of the oil-rich South American country. A dedicated disciple of Fidel Castro [see "Fidel's Successor in Latin America," April 30, 2001], Chavez is plugging international terrorist networks into the country's security services, financial system and state corporations as part of his plans to clone Cuba's revolution and turn Venezuela into a terrorist base.

The president's scheme also involves government-sponsored armed militias, or Circulos Bolivarianos, modeled on Cuba's Revolutionary Defense Committees. These militias are taking over police stations around the Venezuelan capital of Caracas and invading the facilities of the state-run oil company, PDVSA. Indeed, the latter is presided over by an ex-communist guerrilla leader, Ali Rodriguez Araque.

Following the blueprint that Castro drafted for Chile's Salvador Allende, a minority president who similarly imported thousands of Cuban paramilitaries to overthrow the constitution of Chile and establish a Marxist-Leninist regime there, Chavez is facing an internal rebellion against his plans. With 80 percent or more of the national revenues cut off by an oil strike, he is faced with difficult choices. Chavez may be forced to order his navy to take over some 20 oil tankers that are refusing to load. Since he cannot entirely rely on the loyalty of his armed forces, he is expected to bring in the Cuban advisers.

Cuba's Direccion General de Inteligencia (DGI) special-operations teams already are positioned at the port of La Guaira, according to Venezuelan navy sources, who report that Cuban undercover agents are using the local merchant-marine school. Sources say that they could be studying Venezuela's oil-tanker fleet as part of contingency plans to prepare for commandeering of some of the tankers by a U.S.-trained Venezuelan intelligence officer. A Cuban special-assault unit reported to be occupying the second and third floors of the Sheraton Hotel in La Guaira also could be part of the plans to break the strike and impose a terrorist dictatorship.

During the last few weeks, Chavez has moved to control the military high command with his closest acolytes. Gen. Luis Garcia Carneiro, who has been leading the Caracas-based 3rd Infantry Division in operations to disarm the metropolitan police, now is the effective head of the army.

Possibly thousands of Arab terrorists as well as Colombian narcoguerrillas are being protected by DISIP, which has come under the control of Cuba's DGI, according to members of the Venezuelan security agency. European diplomatic officials in Caracas confirm that Cubans are operating DISIP's key counterterrorist and intelligence-analysis sections. According to a variety of sources, 300 to 400 Cuban military advisers coordinated by Havana's military attaché in Venezuela, navy Capt. Sergio Cardona, also are directing Chavez's elite Presidential Guard and his close circle of bodyguards, some of whom can't even sing the words to the Venezuelan national anthem. As many as 6,000 Cuban undercover agents masquerading as "sports instructors" and "teachers" also are reported to be training the Circulos Bolivarianos and even operating naval facilities.

"I quit my job when I got tired of doing dirty work for Chavez with the Cubans looking over my shoulder," Ferreira tells Insight, claiming that Interior Minister Rodriguez Chacin and other presidential aides repeatedly pressured him to launder the identities of terrorists and narcotraffickers transiting through Venezuela. He also was ordered to deceive U.S. authorities on the activities of a Hezbollah financial network whose files were requested by the FBI following the Sept. 11 attacks.

Chavez gave instructions to destroy records on 10 suspected Hezbollah fund-raisers conducting suspicious financial transactions in the islands of Margarita, Aruba and Curaçao, and the cities of Maracaibo and Valencia, according to Ferreira. The Venezuelan president also dissolved key military counterterrorist units by firing 16 highly experienced, U.S.-trained intelligence officers at the time of the terrorist plane attacks in New York City and Washington. Circulos Bolivarianos leader Lina Ron celebrated the event by burning an American flag in the center of Caracas.

Reports on the investigation rescued from Chavez's burn pile and showed to Insight specify that two of the suspects sought by the FBI -- Fathi Mohammed Awada [Venezuelan ID card No. V6282373] and Hussein Kassine Yassine [No. V6293922] -- withdrew $400,000 from the branch of the Banco Confederado in Margarita before gong to Lebanon in December 2001. The report concludes that the individuals were "engaging in suspicious transactions which validate the suspicions of the U.S. government."

The money transfers never were recorded by Venezuela's national banking superintendent, a Chavez appointee. U.S. diplomatic sources in Caracas confirm that official inquiries through Venezuela's banking authorities have failed to reveal evidence on terrorist money laundering. "We've only consulted officials of the government," admits a U.S. economic officer.

Intelligence sources familiar with the cover-up say Chavez is withholding information on the Arabs, some of whom were important financial contributors to his presidential campaign. The report, withheld from the United States, also mentions Nasser Mohammed al-Din, described as a powerful entrepreneur and a close personal friend of Chavez, at whose home in Margarita the Venezuelan president stays on his frequent visits to the resort island, which is a favored venue for his private meetings with Castro. According to presidential pilot Maj. Juan Diaz Castillo, Chavez and Castro get together two or three times a week.

Margarita Island appears to be the center of an extensive terrorist financial network stretching throughout the Caribbean to Panama and the Cayman Islands, where three Afghanis traveling on false Pakistani passports were caught entering from Cuba with $200,000 in cash in August 2001. According to British colonial authorities, efforts to launder the money through Cayman banks also involved a group of Arab businessmen.

Chavez's ties to international terrorism date back to the days of his bloody 1992 military rebellion against the government of Carlos Andres Perez in which nearly 100 people were killed. After being received with honors by Castro in Havana, Chavez proceeded to Tripoli and Baghdad. "He came back with a lot of money to form his Movimiento Revolucionario Venezolano [MRV] and run for president," says Col. Pedro Soto, a Chavez supporter at the time.

Chavez paid presidential state visits to Libya, Iraq and Iran in February 2001, signing cooperation agreements with Muammar Qaddafi, Saddam Hussein and Tehran's ruling mullahs. Castro visited Libya, Iran and Syria some months later. An MRV politician and close Chavez aide closely tied to the Circulos Bolivarianos, Freddy Bernal, was in Iraq last March. He got caught trying to move arms into Saudi Arabia by U.N. peacekeeping forces policing the border.

Back in the days when he was a frustrated coup leader, Chavez also received help from Colombian narcoguerrilla organizations. He now is repaying them by closing Venezuelan airspace to U.S. antidrug flights. A military-intelligence report shown to Insight by the former commander of the 2nd army theater of operations on the Colombian border, Gen. Nestor Gonzales, shows that the Colombian drug forces are being protected by Chavez in camps inside Venezuelan territory. The sick leader of Colombia's National Liberation Army (ELN), Comandante Pablo, rests under DISIP protection at a villa in the upmarket Caracas neighborhood of El Marques.

Venezuela's army chief of staff, Gen. Jose Vietri, refers to the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) as "the de facto government of the Colombian border region. Gen. Raul Baduel tells the daily newspaper El Universal that national-guard officers sell arms to the guerrillas.

The main contact with terrorist networks is identified as former interior minister Chacin, a commando-trained navy captain whose intimate relationship with Chavez dates back to when they conspired together in the 1992 putsch. Ferreira says that Chacin fired his predecessor at DX for complying with international requests to deport an ELN terrorist.

Chacin officially resigned as interior minister last April at the insistence of military officers who had led a coup attempt against Chavez. But he remains the de facto security chief, according to sources who describe how he operates under the double identity of Rafael Montenegro, managing secret bank accounts and conducting considerable activity along the border with Colombia.

"One of the first things Chacin ordered me to do when I became head of DX was to legalize the entry of five undocumented Colombians on the grounds that they had assisted ransom negotiations for kidnapped Venezuelans," Ferreira recalls. "He explained that they needed to spend some days in Venezuela before going to Cuba." The general soon found that such instructions were not exceptional.

During 2001, Chacin asked Ferreira to smooth the way for another 25 to 30 Colombians whom he personally received at the border crossing of San Antonio from where they were escorted by DISIP to Simón Bolívar International Airport in Caracas to board flights for Cuba. Chacin similarly arranged the transit of Canas Serrano, an ELN terrorist wanted by Interpol for the deaths of 84 people in the bombing of an oil pipeline.

The language Chacin used perturbed some of his officers. "After returning from a trip to Cuba, he started calling us comrades, referring to opponents of the government as 'the enemy' and talking about attacking their families." The breaking point came when a lieutenant colonel of the Presidential Guard asked Ferreira to issue a passport for a member of FARC, Ana Belinda Macias Arismendi, who carried a false Venezuelan identity document [No. 12438823]. She urgently needed to get to Havana, Ferreira was told. "The fingerprints on the ID didn't even match hers," confides the general.

An analysis of DX records shown to Insight indicates that during the last two years 3,799 fraudulent Venezuelan identification documents have been distributed, of which 1,745 were issued through the DX border post of San Antonio. By cross-checking the redundant document numbers, Ferreira determined that 2,520 false IDs were given to Colombians and that the second-largest category of 279 went to Arabs invariably described as "Syrians."

Running further checks through Colombian police records, say law-enforcement insiders, two-dozen of the IDs were traced to known terrorists and narcotraffickers. Some examples: Julio Quintero Gomez [No. 81895307], identified as a member of an ELN urban guerrilla column; Ramon Quintero, [No. 81895573], identified as a member of the ELN national committee; and Alberto Diaz Sanchez [No. 818955586], identified by authorities as a member of a narcotrafficking ring.

With Chavez loyalists and Cuban advisers now firmly in control of Venezuela's intelligence services, further efforts to track fraudulent ID cardholders are unlikely. Possibly thousands of falsely documented terrorists now could be part of what security officials describe as a "parallel force" being formed by Chavez to spread terrorism throughout the Western Hemisphere and support his power grab at home.

Intelligence sources say experienced urban-guerrilla fighters have been incorporated into the Circulos Bolivarianos, hundreds of whom have trained in Cuba and Libya as "social activists." Special shock units called Tupamaros and Carapaica secretly are headquartered at safehouses around Caracas where machine-gun emplacements protect street approaches to districts they control in outlying parts of the capital.

The Circulos militias also are being held responsible for recent bombings targeting the television stations, the trade-union confederation CTV and the business association Fededamaras, which are charged by Chavez with organizing a general strike against the government. Threats have been e-mailed to government opponents such as a prominent woman journalist who has received graphic online descriptions of how she will be raped

The Circulos are backed by the 3rd Infantry Division, loyal to Chavez, and deployed around Caracas to disarm the metropolitan police. The move is aimed at displacing Mayor Alfredo Pena, a leading member of the opposition Coordinadoara Democratica, and preparing the ground for a showdown that could result in civil war.

Gen. Medina Gomez, who leads a group of 100 dissident officers gathered for a monthlong protest rally at the Parisian Plaza Altamira, is confident that the bulk of the military will not support the imposition of a dictatorship. "But the armed forces are suffering a deep internal crisis," he says. Gen. Nestor Gonzales believes the army is seriously split: "Ten percent are pro-Chavez, 10 percent are anti-Chavez and 80 percent could go either way."

Chavez has had plenty of time to destabilize the armed forces, which may no longer be in any condition to stage a successful coup. Air force and mechanized units are low on fuel. Tank drivers have been assigned to drive public buses, and many career officers have been sent to administer civic projects with inflated budgets used to corrupt them. Sensitive communications and electronic-intelligence equipment is reported missing from military and police installations, and parts of the navy are being turned over to the Cubans. A U.S.-built amphibious landing ship, LST T63, has been tracked by U.S. satellite on round-trips between the port of La Guaira and the Cuban base of Cienfuegos.

The fuse has been lit by enemies of the United States out to prevent a heavy flow of oil from Venezuela when push comes to shove in the Middle East.

Nateddi
29th January 2003, 16:35
Hello JoseM, you fucking retard.

Go cry about your bet to your mother, I hope Chavez sends your rich elitist ass to the firing squad.

viva la revolucion bolivariana

sabre
29th January 2003, 16:42
sounds like bullshit anecdotal information to justify an up-and-coming war on venezuela cause OH SHIT WHAT DO YOU KNOW THEY PRODUCE OIL!!!!!!!!!!!! take that shit elsewhere - and next time try adding some original insight instead of just hiding your ideologies behind some journalist's

Capitalist Imperial
29th January 2003, 17:33
Chavez is a stalinist holdout that must be dealt with in the strictist sense.

After we are done with Iraq and trhe DPRK (the paranoid stalinist relic), we should procede to Venezuela, summarily execute chavez, topple his regime, secure our petroleum interests, and install a democratic government conducive to world interests.

As with Iraq, regime change is the only option.

TXsocialist
29th January 2003, 18:01
I second the wishes for the firing squad on that bastard's elite ass!

I hope Chavez's troops storm your house and sieze your bloody cars!

sabre
29th January 2003, 18:05
"secure our petroleum interests, and install a democratic government conducive to world interests. "

you cant have a puppet government conducive to world interests that is democratic - democracy isnt conducive to "world interests" because the people might actually try and be heard and we all know what happens when workers can unionize!!!

Cassius Clay
29th January 2003, 18:56
To describe Chavez as a 'Stalinist' is the most stupid thing I've ever heard, the man isn't even a Communist. All Chavez is is a leftist who has tried to make some reforms. I applaud him though, all his 'crimes' consist of is introducing education for the poor, standing up for innocent people being killed in Iraq and calling the bombing of Afghanistan 'Criminall' and most importantly to the U$ he wants the Venezualaun people to get a fair share of Venezualaun oil.

This is this Chavez's 'terriorism', the man you describe as a 'Tyrant' for not allowing Army officers, whom months before had attempted to overthrow him, to cause civil disturbance outside the country's democratic insitutions. Tell me something, if members of the U$ Army demonstraded outside the White House and demanded the overthrow of the government how do you think the U$ would react? Oh yeah silly me that allready happened and you massacred them and all those soldiers were asking for was their pay which was a decade over due. You say he should allow another election or refrendum, what's the matter six in the last four years isn't enough for you?

Nateddi
29th January 2003, 19:14
Well put, CC

I'm personally sick and tired of these god damned rich spics like JoseM (aka "free venezuela" ) calling the continent's most democratic government a dictatorship.

The elite has snoozed through the revolution, and now it is too late. It's too late Jose, the poor are now mobilized in demonstrations against your dirty bomb, sniping, and other terrorist tactics. The Venezuelan majority had rescued their president from a coup driven by the rich shits like JoseM's business parents, the people had preserved the constitution against the illegal coup-plotting "strike".

Go cry a fucking river you loser. The bourgeois "strike" is over, hell, even the right-wing commerical media is starting to catch on to that. The supreme court shut down the elite's unconstitutional plot to early elections. The people are now mobilized, if the elite is able to oust chavez again, there will be a civil war as the poor fight alongside their leader.

You lose, go crawl into Colombia and lick Uribe's balls if you are afraid of Chavez.


(Edited by Nateddi at 7:19 pm on Jan. 29, 2003)

HS The Whap
29th January 2003, 19:18
Why, its JoseM!

MEXCAN
29th January 2003, 20:38
Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:33 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Chavez is a stalinist holdout that must be dealt with in the strictist sense.

After we are done with Iraq and trhe DPRK (the paranoid stalinist relic), we should procede to Venezuela, summarily execute chavez, topple his regime, secure our petroleum interests, and install a democratic government conducive to world interests.

As with Iraq, regime change is the only option.


WHAT a stupid thing to say CI !!Just shows me that you support the state terrorism that the US has been imposing upon the world.Why don't you move back to Alaska and KILL a couple hundred polar bears for BUSH to start his DRILLING for oil !!!!

Capitalist Imperial
29th January 2003, 20:56
[quote]Quote: from Cassius Clay on 6:56 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
"To describe Chavez as a 'Stalinist' is the most stupid thing I've ever heard, the man isn't even a Communist. All Chavez is is a leftist who has tried to make some reforms. I applaud him though, all his 'crimes' consist of is introducing education for the poor, standing up for innocent people being killed in Iraq and calling the bombing of Afghanistan 'Criminall' and most importantly to the U$ he wants the Venezualaun people to get a fair share of Venezualaun oil."

oh, and he has executed dissidents, stormed a legitimate Coca-Cola factory and Usurped control Soviet-Style, and will not allow Venezuelan oil foirms to conduct legitimate business

sabre
29th January 2003, 21:00
legitimate coca cola factory? legitimate under what? certainly not legitimate under Chavez's view of politics. I'm not siding with chavez on this, or CI, but you have to look at the political system when you talk about legitimacy, and jsut becuase you believe capitalism is the correct system doesn't void out chavez's justifications for exterminating free enterprise in his (sad) attempt to create a socialist state in venezuela

Capitalist Imperial
29th January 2003, 21:01
Quote: from MEXCAN on 8:38 pm on Jan. 29, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:33 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Chavez is a stalinist holdout that must be dealt with in the strictist sense.

After we are done with Iraq and trhe DPRK (the paranoid stalinist relic), we should procede to Venezuela, summarily execute chavez, topple his regime, secure our petroleum interests, and install a democratic government conducive to world interests.

As with Iraq, regime change is the only option.


WHAT a stupid thing to say CI !!Just shows me that you support the state terrorism that the US has been imposing upon the world.Why don't you move back to Alaska and KILL a couple hundred polar bears for BUSH to start his DRILLING for oil !!!!


I support liberation from a regime that has executed opposition members, taken control of free-enterprise oil shipments, and has stormed a coca cola factory, ransacked it, and has cost a legitimate american company that boosted the local economy millions of dollars.

Was that theivery "for the people" too?

MEXCAN
29th January 2003, 21:17
Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:01 pm on Jan. 29, 2003

Quote: from MEXCAN on 8:38 pm on Jan. 29, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:33 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Chavez is a stalinist holdout that must be dealt with in the strictist sense.

After we are done with Iraq and trhe DPRK (the paranoid stalinist relic), we should procede to Venezuela, summarily execute chavez, topple his regime, secure our petroleum interests, and install a democratic government conducive to world interests.

As with Iraq, regime change is the only option.


WHAT a stupid thing to say CI !!Just shows me that you support the state terrorism that the US has been imposing upon the world.Why don't you move back to Alaska and KILL a couple hundred polar bears for BUSH to start his DRILLING for oil !!!!


I support liberation from a regime that has executed opposition members, taken control of free-enterprise oil shipments, and has stormed a coca cola factory, ransacked it, and has cost a legitimate american company that boosted the local economy millions of dollars.

Was that theivery "for the people" too?

You know what's funny !??What you just discrived is exactly what the US did to Nicaragua !!!Back in the 80's,the US bombed food and oil shipments in a port off the coast of Nicaragua!!!!So i guess you would have supported the execution of Reagan???Too bad Hinckley missed.

Saint-Just
29th January 2003, 21:18
'I support liberation from a regime that has executed opposition members, taken control of free-enterprise oil shipments, and has stormed a coca cola factory, ransacked it, and has cost a legitimate american company that boosted the local economy millions of dollars.'

I agree the Venezualan people should be so grateful to the American oil interests and the Coca-Cola corporation. Low wages, long hours, sucking out the resources from Venezuala for the interest of the capitalist elite at home and abroad.

Capitalism is never legitimate. And I believe in America ou execute thieves to, thieves such as those members of the opposition.

Cassius Clay
29th January 2003, 21:18
Oh know stormed a Coca-Cola factory, good heavens the charges bought at Nuremberg pale in comparision with this terrible crime against humanity.

Chavez has executed nobody, who told you that? Some crazy dissident most likely, the dissident bussiness is a sham. The ex Soviet dissident Alexander Zinoviev explained how it worked after he returned to Russia and saw what Capitalism was doing to his country. Basically the more bold the claim the more dollars the CIA would pay you and the more you would be hailed as a 'Genius'.

And perhaps Venezuala might be able to conduct bussiness if the CIA wasn't sponsoring attempted coups and uprisings against the democraticly elected government. See some of Chavez quotes, he has said that he would NOT take part in boycott of the U$ even if the Arabs did. Although this was some time ago and I wouldn't blame him for changing his mind.

Oh and finally Chavez is NOT, repeat NOT a Communist. He speaks of creating a block in South America to oppose U$ Imperialism, NOT class struggle.

But faced with a choice of Chavez and the poor vs America and the rich I know who I would chose.

FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 21:59
Quote: from Cassius Clay on 9:18 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Oh know stormed a Coca-Cola factory, good heavens the charges bought at Nuremberg pale in comparision with this terrible crime against humanity.

Chavez has executed nobody, who told you that? Some crazy dissident most likely, the dissident bussiness is a sham. The ex Soviet dissident Alexander Zinoviev explained how it worked after he returned to Russia and saw what Capitalism was doing to his country. Basically the more bold the claim the more dollars the CIA would pay you and the more you would be hailed as a 'Genius'.

And perhaps Venezuala might be able to conduct bussiness if the CIA wasn't sponsoring attempted coups and uprisings against the democraticly elected government. See some of Chavez quotes, he has said that he would NOT take part in boycott of the U$ even if the Arabs did. Although this was some time ago and I wouldn't blame him for changing his mind.

Oh and finally Chavez is NOT, repeat NOT a Communist. He speaks of creating a block in South America to oppose U$ Imperialism, NOT class struggle.

But faced with a choice of Chavez and the poor vs America and the rich I know who I would chose.


Chavez HAS given orders to kill people *april 11* *december 6* etc, and right now an accusation for crimes against humanity is open in Spain, he might be accused on international courts for crimes against humanity, ill give you a link as long as i find the information in english.

(Edited by FreeVenezuela at 10:00 pm on Jan. 29, 2003)

MEXCAN
29th January 2003, 22:01
if it's only in spanish,post it anyways!!!

FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 22:04
Quote: from Cassius Clay on 9:18 pm on Jan. 29, 2003

But faced with a choice of Chavez and the poor vs America and the rich I know who I would chose.



Chavez is hated by the majority of the poor people in Venezuela. That says it all, tell me, if the poor people were in chavez's favor then why is the whole country in strike? The workers joined the strike. The poor people joined the strike.

This is not a "rich vs the poor" struggle... this is a "tyrant vs the people" struggle.

Eastside Revolt
29th January 2003, 22:06
The country is in strike because of hyperinflation caused by a US led oil coup.

FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 22:20
Quote: from redcanada on 10:06 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
The country is in strike because of hyperinflation caused by a US led oil coup.

LOL, the funniest comment of the day...

I didnt know the venezuelan workers were americans... or members of the CIA.. .lol

(Edited by FreeVenezuela at 10:20 pm on Jan. 29, 2003)

Som
29th January 2003, 22:32
Chavez HAS given orders to kill people *april 11* *december 6* etc, and right now an accusation for crimes against humanity is open in Spain, he might be accused on international courts for crimes against humanity, ill give you a link as long as i find the information in english.

Nothing but propaganda and conjecture. On april 11th, there was no way of telling who shot first, but it seems to be left out quite a bit that the majority killed were Chavez supporters.


Chavez is hated by the majority of the poor people in Venezuela. That says it all, tell me, if the poor people were in chavez's favor then why is the whole country in strike? The workers joined the strike. The poor people joined the strike.

This is not a "rich vs the poor" struggle... this is a "tyrant vs the people" struggle.

Except the whole country isn't on strike? The vast majority on strike are the upper classes, thats far from the 'whole country'. Chavez still maintains a fair approval rating even with the constant barage of anti-chavez propaganda that those upper classes have turned their media into.

This horrible stalinist tyrant of yours that can't even punish the people that launched a coup against him.

The opposition has really caused and created, if not completly fabricated most of their complaints against chavez.

Nateddi
29th January 2003, 23:37
Hey JoseM,

Why don't you get the fuck out of this board? eh?

I'm sick of your twisted lies.

There is no strike in venezuela, folks. We have the business executives shutting down production and locking workers out of factories.

It's their last resort, and it has failed. Eco-terrorism is what the opposition is all about. Fucking JoseM ****. The massive damage caused by the business shutdown (not strike, though gets the same crippling result), the damage is blamed on the democratic government of Mr. Chavez. Fuck all the reactionary tyrants in Venezuela. Long live the bolivarian revolution. Death to JoseM. Death to Carlos Ortega. Death to coordinadora democratica.

FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 23:40
Quote: from Nateddi on 11:37 pm on Jan. 29, 2003


There is no strike in venezuela, folks.

Chavez admited on TV 2 weeks ago that there was a strike, but that he managed to crush (which he hasnt yet). But the fact that you dont even speak nor understand spanish to understand what chavez said doesnt mean im lying.

FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 23:42
Quote: from Nateddi on 11:37 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Hey JoseM,

Why don't you get the fuck out of this board? eh?
Death to JoseM.


I love you too :-)

Anonymous
29th January 2003, 23:45
He needs to be assassinated.

Nateddi
29th January 2003, 23:47
Hey JoseM,

I am not accusing your spic ass of lying.

The elite opposition-owned press is translating the problem into inapropriate language. In the english language, a "strike" is an act of workers leaving work to protest policies of management. It is a walkout of the working class from the management. What is happening in Venezuela is a lockout of workers by the management.

Management does not participate in any "strike" except this "strike". It is therefore not a strike, because it is led by the management, it is led by the business leaders!! Strikes are popular movements used to CRUSH the business leaders.

What is happening in venezuela is the traditional rich elite locking out workers by shutting down production in an attempt to blackmail the democratic government through this sadistic eco terrorism. This "strike" has been crushed. The elite already lost. Long live the Bolivarian revolution.

FreeVenezuela
29th January 2003, 23:51
Quote: from Nateddi on 11:47 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Hey JoseM,

I am not accusing your spic ass of lying.

The elite opposition-owned press is translating the problem into inapropriate language. In the english language, a "strike" is an act of workers leaving work to protest policies of management. It is a walkout of the working class from the management. What is happening in Venezuela is a lockout of workers by the management.

Management does not participate in any "strike" except this "strike". It is therefore not a strike, because it is led by the management, it is led by the business leaders!! Strikes are popular movements used to CRUSH the business leaders.

What is happening in venezuela is the traditional rich elite locking out workers by shutting down production in an attempt to blackmail the democratic government through this sadistic eco terrorism. This "strike" has been crushed. The elite already lost. Long live the Bolivarian revolution.

Carlos Ortega (one of the leaders of the national strike) was elected president of the CTV (in english it means Confederation of the Venezuelan Workers) by the workers in an election of the Confederation of the Venezuelan Workers. Carlos Ortega has always been leader of the workers and he isnt even rich, he has not money at all. So how is this a rich strike when the leaders and the workers are not even rich?


(Edited by FreeVenezuela at 12:04 am on Jan. 30, 2003)

Capitalist Imperial
29th January 2003, 23:53
Quote: from Chairman Mao on 9:18 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
'I support liberation from a regime that has executed opposition members, taken control of free-enterprise oil shipments, and has stormed a coca cola factory, ransacked it, and has cost a legitimate american company that boosted the local economy millions of dollars.'

I agree the Venezualan people should be so grateful to the American oil interests and the Coca-Cola corporation. Low wages, long hours, sucking out the resources from Venezuala for the interest of the capitalist elite at home and abroad.

Capitalism is never legitimate. And I believe in America ou execute thieves to, thieves such as those members of the opposition.


I will not legitimize a supporter of Mau Se Tung with a response.

Capitalist Imperial
29th January 2003, 23:58
execute him

BTW Nateddi, what's with the racism?

FreeVenezuela
30th January 2003, 00:01
Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 11:45 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
He needs to be assassinated.


Chavez? I agree. But I would rather see him in jail paying for all the crimes he has comitted.

Eastside Revolt
30th January 2003, 00:01
Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 11:45 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
He needs to be assassinated.


You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution.

FreeVenezuela
30th January 2003, 00:05
Quote: from redcanada on 12:01 am on Jan. 30, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 11:45 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
He needs to be assassinated.


You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution.


Chavez's revolution has already failed... died...

Capitalist Imperial
30th January 2003, 00:06
Quote: from redcanada on 12:01 am on Jan. 30, 2003

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 11:45 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
He needs to be assassinated.


You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution.


What revolution? He is turning the clock back, and hindering progress and freedom, not enabling them!

MEXCAN
30th January 2003, 00:06
Quote: from Nateddi on 11:47 pm on Jan. 29, 2003
Hey JoseM,

I am not accusing your spic ass of lying.

The elite opposition-owned press is translating the problem into inapropriate language. In the english language, a "strike" is an act of workers leaving work to protest policies of management. It is a walkout of the working class from the management. What is happening in Venezuela is a lockout of workers by the management.

Management does not participate in any "strike" except this "strike". It is therefore not a strike, because it is led by the management, it is led by the business leaders!! Strikes are popular movements used to CRUSH the business leaders.

What is happening in venezuela is the traditional rich elite locking out workers by shutting down production in an attempt to blackmail the democratic government through this sadistic eco terrorism. This "strike" has been crushed. The elite already lost. Long live the Bolivarian revolution.


CALM YOUR LANGUAGE BUDDY!!!!!!!!NATEDDI,why don't you tell us where you're from ????Maybe i'll be able to find a bigoted name for you !!!!

Nateddi
30th January 2003, 00:07
Carlos Ortega was challenged for his seat in his union, which is by the way, the only union openely sympathetic to the "strike". Ortega, the corrupt autocrat, got money from the US in order to defend his seat in his union. Now this guy is backing unconstitutional solutions to this crisis, how democratic of him. He does not have the genuine working class behind him, he has behind him the most powerful oil executives union in the nation, comprised of elites that make $USD420,000 a year. The opposition puts up these supposed pro-working class leaders like Ortega alongside the heads of the chamber of commerce to lead this strike.

Labor and business working together on a "strike", ah what has this world come to. Such production stoppage can only come from either labor or business leaders "striking", and it is pretty god damn obvious that the business, management, and other upper class elites do support the strike. The CTV, the only anti-chavez union confederation (due to Ortega) is just used to milk support from distraught masses already exposed to the anti-chavez commercial media propaganda.

HS The Whap
30th January 2003, 00:09
Hey Jose, you owe me a swastika in your avatar.

Anonymous
30th January 2003, 00:22
I think Nateddi is from the Ukraine.

Nateddi
30th January 2003, 00:34
Who are you?

You know who Fade is, you know I am from Ukraine??? You won't answer my PMs!

I stand behind everything I say. I'm sick of these right-wing cuban muds in Miami acting venezuelan and demonstrating against chavez in "little havana", and their rich ass radio hosts doing prank phone calls chavez posing as fidel castro. And the bastards in Caracas, putting a dirty bomb in a rally of hundreds of thousands of Chavez supporters, killing some. Those little parasites should be sent to a firing squad, I'm sick of the opposition's dirty tactics.

MEXCAN
30th January 2003, 00:55
Nateddi,the word "SPIC" bothers me !!!!

Anonymous
30th January 2003, 01:01
I don't believe I've ever received a PM from you. Unless you were that "bolschewik" guy.



(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 6:03 am on Jan. 30, 2003)

FreeVenezuela
30th January 2003, 01:08
Quote: from Nateddi on 12:07 am on Jan. 30, 2003


Labor and business working together on a "strike", ah what has this world come to.


Thats right, the executives, managers, workers, the people, the merchants, everyone is united in a united front to liberate venezuela from the tyranny that chavez represent.

Tell me something nateddi, if you believe chavez has the support of the people then tell me why is he (chavez) so scare to make an election? Even Lula told him to make an election to end the crisis and chavez does not accept making elections... why is this nateddi?

How is the opposition (85% of the venezuelan people) so evil when they (the opposition) are just asking for presidential elections? Even the few chavez supporters that are still around want elections (except the criminals of the bolivarian circles)

Do you wanna know who are the members of the Bolivarian Circles? Criminals and murderers from jail, members of the colombian guerrillas and cuban agents. Nice combo, no wonder why they are the only ones who dont want presidential elections.

FreeVenezuela
30th January 2003, 01:12
Quote: from Nateddi on 12:34 am on Jan. 30, 2003

and their rich ass radio hosts doing prank phone calls chavez posing as fidel castro.


LOL this was VERY funny, i laugh the way how chavez fell so easily in that trick. jajaja.

By the way, im 100% Venezuelan.

(Edited by FreeVenezuela at 1:13 am on Jan. 30, 2003)

Nateddi
30th January 2003, 01:46
Thats right, the executives, managers, workers, the people, the merchants, everyone is united in a united front to liberate venezuela from the tyranny that chavez represent.

The only workers that are striking are the rich white collar workers and executives. The blue collar workers are out because their jobs are closed by their eco-terrorist management trying to cripple the economy and blame it on Chavez. Its a dirty tactic. The workers want to get back to work.


Tell me something nateddi, if you believe chavez has the support of the people then tell me why is he (chavez) so scare to make an election?

ROFL

Chavez isn't scared of early elections. The constitution allows a referendum 1/2 way through his term, meaning THIS AUGUST. Chavez had NEVER opposed such a measure. Getting a mob of business leaders and other upper class investors parading with colorful flags and stopping the economy isn't going to intimidate the president into calling UNCONSTITUTIONAL elections. Chavez respects the constitution of his republic, the only constitution I know that even allows a half-way referendum. Try asking Bush to call early elections, try asking any leader to call early elections. All that is, is blatantly disrespecting their sovereignty and nothing more. The people opposed to the policies of Bush are at least respectful to the constitution, and will WAIT until the term is up for a LEGAL election.


Even Lula told him to make an election to end the crisis
I doubt Lula would support destabalzing the government and making the constitution irrelevent. Where does he support early and illegal elections? Link please.


How is the opposition (85% of the venezuelan people) so evil when they (the opposition) are just asking for presidential elections? Even the few chavez supporters that are still around want elections (except the criminals of the bolivarian circles)

proof... 85% opposition?? I'd LOVE to see your "opposition" bring as many people to the streets as the supporters have just last week. I would also love to see only about 20% of them be white/european (20% of the population is european). Lately when I've been watching these opposition rallies, I see a very large amount of the people being white. It seems to me that this traditional white elite, dating back to colonial times, is upset at the first president who is of black/mestizo ancestry AND the first president who is vowing to fight for the nation's poor majority.

Do you wanna know who are the members of the Bolivarian Circles? Criminals and murderers from jail, members of the colombian guerrillas and cuban agents.

LOL where is the proof, Jose?? "Cuban agents" in community groups of Venezuela!! Colombian guerrillas.

FreeVenezuela
30th January 2003, 02:37
Fighter and defender of the poor people???
eerr, then why is Chavez, his ministers, the small group around him in power, and the leaders of his political party the richiest group in Venezuela?

synthesis
30th January 2003, 03:00
"Spics", Nateddi? "Cuban muds"? That's Klan talk, my friend.

Fuck you.

Anonymous
30th January 2003, 03:12
Yeah! Nateddi, you counterrevolutionary kulak! :biggrin:


(really don't know what else I could call you...)

MEXCAN
30th January 2003, 03:19
[size=4]YA Nateddi,Give the Racist remarks a break.You must be a fucking idiot,calling latinos "spics",and having the avatar you have!!!

RedRevolutionary87
1st February 2003, 17:45
hey...im not excusing nateddi's choice of language, but it seems to me every1 is ignoring his extreamly good arguments, get over the fucking spic comment, and take into acount the larger picture of his argument. however i do think an apology is needed. sometimes the left just pisses the fuk out of me with their ultra politicaly correct behaviour, while failing to see the big picture, an offensive word is a speck of dirt, compared to a good idea, dont just dismiss someone or fail to listen too them because they arent completely politicaly correct. one word is a grouping of symbols, and idea is the use of words to express yourself, so please try to read the whole post before being a dick