communism and its flaws

[danyboy27]

its a question for you, and also some idea that have been shaking in my head.

in a communist society, will you be able to reconize and openely talk of its flaws?

every political system have its flaws, its normal, human factor is for something.

do you think it would be appropriate in a movie displayed in a communist society to talk about the problem the system caused here and there.

personally i would not see anything wrong in that, many movie in north america and in capitalist countries show the horrors of the system (criminality, militarism, corruption, crimes).

i think that not allowing a society to critiquize itself is a profound error.

[F9]

no one is going to tell you what to say,criticism will be ok,so as disagreement,if you dont like it you can leave.

Fuserg9:star:

[jake williams]

if you dont like it you can leave.
Well for a system intending to make itself world-wide, this doesn't necessarily hold. Which is why I think political freedom, and especially freedom of expression and dissent, must be absolute.

[gla22]

Of course whatever societal systenm should be open to criticism, that is why marx referred to communism as the beggining of human history, not the end. Communism is not the end goal, but the systems will always be adjusting for a more equal and just world.

[Lost In Translation]

Well, I don't see why people should make a fuss out of a little critique. It might serve as suggestions for improvement.

[Dros]

its a question for you, and also some idea that have been shaking in my head.

in a communist society, will you be able to reconize and openely talk of its flaws?

every political system have its flaws, its normal, human factor is for something.

do you think it would be appropriate in a movie displayed in a communist society to talk about the problem the system caused here and there.

personally i would not see anything wrong in that, many movie in north america and in capitalist countries show the horrors of the system (criminality, militarism, corruption, crimes).

i think that not allowing a society to critiquize itself is a profound error.

You're absolutely right. A Socialist and Communist society should not only allow but encourage dissent!

During the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in China, Mao had a policy of giving workers paper and pens so that they could write criticism of party leaders and government officials and post them on the walls of Beijing buildings.

[Lost In Translation]

During the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in China, Mao had a policy of giving workers paper and pens so that they could write criticism of party leaders and government officials and post them on the walls of Beijing buildings.
Then what happened? Surely Mao ignored it all because there was so much criticism?

[Niccolò Rossi]

1. Communism is not a political system as you imply. It is a mode of production.

2. In the corresponding communist social formation dissent and criticism must always be allowed. Any cap or restraint on this ability is a negation of the very notion of communism.

[Schrödinger's Cat]

If you have a problem, by all means, use whatever NON-VIOLENT medium available to you. Debate. Create a movie. Make a poster. Write a book. Pee in your backyard.

[mykittyhasaboner]

Pee in your backyard.
i see you really like to protest. :p

i dont want to be redundant, but it is very important that people voice their opinions and criticisms. that is the very essence of communism!

[danyboy27]

You're absolutely right. A Socialist and Communist society should not only allow but encourage dissent!

During the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in China, Mao had a policy of giving workers paper and pens so that they could write criticism of party leaders and government officials and post them on the walls of Beijing buildings.

there was no ink in those pen, it was a trap!


just a joke btw..lol

[trivas7]

1. Communism is not a political system as you imply. It is a mode of production.

Excellent point.


2. In the corresponding communist social formation dissent and criticism must always be allowed. Any cap or restraint on this ability is a negation of the very notion of communism.Indeed, revolution is the overthrow of the bourgeois mode of production. If critique doesn't continue after the revolution, there is no communism.

It strikes me that we won't begin to recognize communism's flaws until we get there.

[jake williams]

Well then the question naturally arises why free expression is so hampered in the so-called "communist" and "socialist" countries, and why, other than desperation, leftists support them. Is it a low valuation of freedom of expression? Is it denial?

[Dros]

Then what happened? Surely Mao ignored it all because there was so much criticism?

No. Read a book.

[TheCultofAbeLincoln]

I can see were the OP is coming from, since every nation which has openly said it's based on Marxist principles has been authoritarian.

It's funny that the first large-scale protests in the USSR resulted in it's downfall. Maybe the hippies were right :laugh:

[Dr Mindbender]

I can see were the OP is coming from, since every nation which has openly said it's based on Marxist principles has been authoritarian.

It's funny that the first large-scale protests in the USSR resulted in it's downfall. Maybe the hippies were right :laugh:

those authoritarian policies became a necessity because of the hardships and material conditions imposed by other opposing nations.

Every attempt at socialism has found itself in a state of war with the capitalist countries (especially the USA). The world has never witnessed a 'peacetime' version of socialism which is why it is intellectually misleading to base the viability of socialism on experiences within a world which was unsuitable to sustain it.

[INDK]

I'm sure each member of the community would have a strong right to criticize. Due to the communal socio-economic implications of a Socialist system, social (socio-) issues would be affected by these communal implications. The censorship of ideas would be nonexistent in an ideal Socialist situation.

[shorelinetrance]

Ideologies are refined and exercised through discourse and debate, we should openly endorse criticism.

[rocker935]

During the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution in China, Mao had a policy of giving workers paper and pens so that they could write criticism of party leaders and government officials and post them on the walls of Beijing buildings.

Well, from what I understand, Mao started the whole cultural revolution thing just to gain more political power for himself, not actually for the good of the people.

[INDK]

Well, from what I understand, Mao started the whole cultural revolution thing just to gain more political power for himself, not actually for the good of the people.

Well, think --

Firstly, this is ultimately irrelevant to the matter at hand in this thread. Secondly, in Communism there wouldn't be a 'Mao' (this is an analogical term for 'political leader', Maoists don't give me shit please, no offense intended...) to gain 'political power' from the 'lower structures of society'. The social structure just isn't built like that.