Why was Thine Stalin Banned? - He was an ass-hole but so are

[Invader Zim]

He's not exactly the "Viva Hitler" person you would expect to get banned. From what i have seen of him there are far worse on this site who dont get banned. Some of the other Stalinists say much worse stuff.

[Guest]

This is Thine Stalin.

It was probably the NBP thing, but malte is so quick to judge it.

If malte will agree to remove the bann I'll post the link the jewish NBP webpage, based in israel. This is one of the only other 3 Parties not located in the former soviet states.

[Anonymous]

AGAIN!!

What the fuck is wrong with you people?!? Stop the goddamn bannings!

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 6:02 am on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Geddan]

To ban people is so goddamn embarrassing and hypocritical. Let's fight off "undemocratic bastards" (which I doubt many Stalinists are) by using "their tactics" (which I doubt they promote). Open the debate for Stalinism, and let everyone's voice be heard! Our failure to unite is the key to why we haven't succeeded in our goals yet, and this adds insult to injury.

Geddan advocates:

Repeal bans on Stalinists, an open and free debate is the key to change and victory.

[Mazdak]

its useless Geddan. A few weeks ago, they purged all the stalinists(me 2). It took me at least 3 bannings and quite a few IP changes to get back here and still i am barred outside this forum. If you are looking for free speech and debate, you will find this forum to be useless and quite hypocritical. We won't ever have open debate, because they dont tolerate that here.

[Geddan]

Hypocrisy is the word, comrade Mazdak. Remember that I am on your side in this debate of free speech. I hope that someday Malte will see that this hunt for stalinism doesn't improve chances of the world getting better.

[Umoja]

It's like the Workers World Party or Internation ANSWER.

[Geddan]

Of course, the same goes for stalinists contra trotskyists.

Umoja, did you mean that my answer was similar to what those parties would answer?

[Invader Zim]

Mazdac as you know im no fan of Stalin or his aims ect. But when you register it says that you guys wont find many friends here, but that dont mean you cant post. Banning you guys would take all the fun from this place.

[Mazdak]

I am aware of the rules, but when we started making posts that were actually challenging their position and making them think, for example, my thread on the Family in Theory and most of Clay's defenses of Stalin, we were immediatly blocked out.

One doesnt need to be a fan of stalin to see the hypocrisy and intolerance here.

Even now, I am the only one who has managed to get back in here.

Thank you for at least showing you are not hypocrites, if anything.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

WHAT IS WRONG WITH U PPL!!
its called freedom of speech, the one thing we fight so hard for, i think stalinists are wrong and i dont agree with them
but i think we should give them a chance, geddan is right, this is hypocracy, i think if we truly want total freedom, everone should be able to speak there mind, no matter their thoughts be right or wrong
and unless the say directly or inderictly say
HIEL HITLER, then i dont think that we should ban them

just my 2 cents

[Edelweiss]

It's simple as that: Thine Stalin is a self-considered National Bolshevik, National Bolsheviks are Nazis, Nazis are not allowed to post here.

[Guest]

Quote: from Guest on 12:05 am on Jan. 26, 2003
If malte will agree to remove the bann I'll post the link the jewish NBP webpage, based in israel. This is one of the only other 3 Parties not located in the former soviet states.
Thine, i read some translated scripts of the Israeli NBP (http://nbp.up.to/). It's practically a bunch of extreme Zionists with ultra leftist economical policy. Their place is with every other Nazi, in the microwave oven.

[Guest]

Me Cassius Clay, could you tell me why I was banned again?

[Mazdak]

Quote: from Malte on 7:47 pm on Jan. 26, 2003
It's simple as that: Thine Stalin is a self-considered National Bolshevik, National Bolsheviks are Nazis, Nazis are not allowed to post here.



..... National bolsheviks are nazis? Is everyone you do not like a nazi? There are difference between the two. I do not support National Bolsheviks, but they ARE NOT nazis.

[canikickit]

Oooh...banned from an internet forum! Head for the hills; we're being oppressed!

[truthaddict11]

Ts banned? i say good riddince.
LOL true canikickit true

[Kapitan Andrey]

Sorry people, but what do all of you mean by saying "nazis"???

But about Thine Stalin I can say:" Malte did a good thing!"

[ComradeJunichi]

I think they mean "Nazis" like nazis.

KA: How much do you know about Thine Stalin? Have you ever talked to him?

Honestly, it's the admins decision and I don't care anymore. If he wants to ban everyone who opposes him fine go ahead. Everyone should stop *****ing now.

[VI Koba]

Interestingly enough this entire thread proves Marxism as reinforced by Lenin and excersized Stalin as being completely true!

We all see democracy as a granter of freedom... but what exactly is democracy? Is it not also a form of state? Doesnt it also serve to be an oppressive tool where one group lobbies together and manifests a majority? What we have here is the democratic purgings of the 'che community' to unite the ideology... It is part of the game in 'multi party' politics for temporary false alliances that will be soon betrayed.

[Saint-Just]

Since there are so many 'Stalinists' here, maybe the forums should be altered so that in places where it is objectable from the opinion of the administrators for Stalinists to debate, they will not debate. And then there would be subjects where it is acceptable in the opinion of the administrators that Stalinists may debate. Proffessed supporters of Stalin may debate only in certain forums so as to avoid them being banned.

This is obviously a difficult thing to implement.

[Mazdak]

They did. They caged us with the capitalists here in this section, actually, i think besides thine's temporary comeback, i am the only one left who doesnt leave.

And what differentiates supporters of Stalin from those of Trotsky? If one bars stalinists, bar trotskyists! A sort of all or nothing idea.

[Guest]

National bolsheviks are not nazi's malte you dick and you know it, I noticed you deleted my post of where I offered to show you the link to the jewish national bolshevik page, did you want to hide the truth? Will you delete this one too? Hopefully people will manage to see it first before they judge. Goto the link ND (as a guest) posted.

Now, also, I never claimed to be a national bolshevik either, I simply stated, that if you want to make an communist impact in the world, go help the national bolsheviks.

As for truth addict and Canikickit, go suck a dick.

This was Thine Stalin if you couldn't tell.

[canikickit]

I'm not saying I'm glad you are banned, I just think cries of "oppression", "what about freedom of speech", and "my civil rights!" are completely foolish and banal.

I think it's the equivilent of claiming to be oppressed if someone throws a party and doesn't invite you. It's Malte's money, Malte's party, Malte, Malte, Malte. He runs it well, and provides me and many, many others with a valuable resource.

I am willing to accept a sleight lack of patience for people who's opinions he views as ridiculous or reprehensible.

[truthaddict11]

people have to realize that che-lives is not a country. Malte pays a lot for this service that we all use if he doesnt want Stalinists all over the board thats his decision. If you dont like the fact you are "opressed" in a fucking message board leave!

(Edited by truthaddict11 at 6:04 am on Jan. 28, 2003)

[Mazdak]

Yes, but this is like Malte throwing a party and throwing people out of the party midway through for little or no problems. You always use the excuse it isnt a country.

It doesnt matter who owns the board. The fact is the board is meant for DEBATE. What kind of fucking debate do you expect without almost anyone with any other beliefs except your own. its stupidity at its best.

[Edelweiss]

National Bolsheviks are not classic Nazi's, granted. BUT National Bolshevism is a mixture of fascist/racialist/anti-semtic ideology with communist ideolody, and therefore beyond every discussion at Che-Lives. TS, more than once you expresssed your sympathy for National Bolshevism, don't try to fool us and FUCK OFF!
And Mazdak, all I want is to prevent that 50% of the threads on this board are Stalinists vs the rest threads, with always the same boring redundant discussions. We are not fearing to discuss with you, but I want to maintain a cerain quality at Che-Lives, and with you spamming around here all day and night, it's not posible to keep that quality.

[Guest]

Just wondering, how did Mazdak spammed? He wasn't the one that started threads with no actual argument like "Stalin fucked it for the rest of us" or "Stalinist ignorant bastards".

[Guest]

Erm, i still didn't got my answer. And yes, the debates about Stalin were boring. If peaccenicked would have acutually replied to the facts Clay brings with some relevant reply instead of "fuck you" it would have been hell of a lot more interesting.

[Guest]

In response to canikickit and truthaddict:

I have never claimed this and nor do I care to as a arguement for letting me back in. You're entirely right, malte is free to do what he wants its his site, but it doesn't mean that its still A) Not Fair B) Hypocritical, a liberal.. oppressing a stalinist.. oh the irony, and C) stupid, there was no real reason for doing it, he is claiming our disscussions are getting redundant, well what else do you have to talk about? Would you rather everyone just posted in chit-chat all day malte? We stalinists cannot do that anymore anyway.

Without us, you're disscussing arguements with one or two capitalists who say the same things which have been said hundreds of times before, all you have to do is click back a few pages. If you didn't keep deleting my posts on evolutionary stalinism, we could disscuss that too, it isn't 'facism' or 'nazism' as you so fondly put everything that isn't liberalized, so give it a chance and unbann me.

And I can tell you didn't click the link ND gave on the national bolsheviks, if you had, you would have seen they aren't anti-semitic, they have the star of david with a serp in the center of it. How is this anti-semitic, its jewish nationalism, the national bolsheviks (the actual ones from the former soviet republics) have proven to be VERY liberal compared to your poor connatations of them. Tell me Malte, how many have you even spoken to?

Either way, the bann is stupid and I can just re-register anyway and you'll have to bann another name anyway, so don't waste your time.

[canikickit]

A) Not Fair
B) Hypocritical, a liberal.. oppressing a stalinist.. oh the irony, and
C) stupid


Pretty shit reasons. Like I said, I don't think you are being oppressed. "Not fair" and "stupid" aren't exactly viable reasons are they?


but this is like Malte throwing a party and throwing people out of the party midway through for little or no problems

I think it's more like Malte throwing a party and kicking you out because you weren't invited.

[RedCeltic]

Thine Stalin:

I let you back in and what do you do??? Ughhh.. your on your own now kid. I'm not geting into it this time...


* Walks away shaking head*

[Guest]

I can still post, and I can still keep reregistering, the bann is useless and simply inconvinient for me, theres another reason for you canikickit.

[Kapitan Andrey]

PEOPLE!!! Tell me, who is "nazis"???

[Guest]

Me and the National Bolshevik Party are apparently all nazis and if malte could say it without being scolded then all stalinists would be called nazis too.

[canikickit]

I can still post, and I can still keep reregistering, the bann is useless and simply inconvinient for me

That's not a reason.

Anyway, like I said, I wouldn't do the same in his position. if it was my forums you could post wherever you want. But this is all hypothetical bullshit.

Malte has every right to ban you. He is not infringing on your life in any way. He does not like the things you have to say, and he does not need to allow you post whatever you want on webspace he pays for and organises.

I think this thread should just be locked.

I don't mean any offense to you Thine Stalin, even if I find your philosophy laughable at the best of times, but this thread serves no purpose apparent to me.

[thursday night]

Question. Why was I banned anyway? I am not nearly as radical as my friends Mazdak and Cassius Clay etc., but nevertheless I was unfairly banned. Why? Yes I am an authoritarian socialist and a huge fan of Fidel, but that hardly warrants my banning and then restriction to this forum. Anyways, thanks at the very least for letting me post at least here.