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JamilD
21st July 2008, 13:36
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Thank you for your time!

Ismail
21st July 2008, 13:46
1. Most of us don't focus too much on communism, since we believe that achieving socialism first (and moving to communism from there) is more important. (Plus it's kinda hard to predict what a classless society will be like when there hasn't been one for thousands of years, and that was primitive, not one with machinery and such which makes life easier)

2. a) If currency is going to be in, yes.

To quote Marx:

But one man is superior to another physically, or mentally, and supplies more labor in the same time, or can labor for a longer time; and labor, to serve as a measure, must be defined by its duration or intensity, otherwise it ceases to be a standard of measurement. This equal right is an unequal right for unequal labor. It recognizes no class differences, because everyone is only a worker like everyone else; but it tacitly recognizes unequal individual endowment, and thus productive capacity, as a natural privilege. It is, therefore, a right of inequality, in its content, like every right. Right, by its very nature, can consist only in the application of an equal standard; but unequal individuals (and they would not be different individuals if they were not unequal) are measurable only by an equal standard insofar as they are brought under an equal point of view, are taken from one definite side only -- for instance, in the present case, are regarded only as workers and nothing more is seen in them, everything else being ignored. Further, one worker is married, another is not; one has more children than another, and so on and so forth. Thus, with an equal performance of labor, and hence an equal amount in the social consumption fund, one will in fact receive more than another, one will be richer than another, and so on. To avoid all these defects, right, instead of being equal, would have to be unequal.

But these defects are inevitable in the first phase of communist society as it is when it has just emerged after prolonged birth pangs from capitalist society. Right can never be higher than the economic structure of society and its cultural development conditioned thereby.
In a higher phase of communist society, after the enslaving subordination of the individual to the division of labor, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labor, has vanished; after labor has become not only a means of life but life's prime want; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-around development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly -- only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be crossed in its entirety and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs! - Critique of the Gotha Program, 1875

3. Good. He upheld Leninism against revisionism and, unlike Lenin who didn't live long enough to see the end of NEP, Stalin began building socialism on a massive scale. (Whereas Lenin couldn't due to, as said, NEP)

http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv1n1/marksoc.htm - Stalin and the Question of Market Socialism
http://revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv4n2/5convers.htm - Stalin's Conversations with Soviet Economics
And on how much the economy was socialist under Stalin compared to under Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc. there is this: http://www.oneparty.co.uk/html/book/ussrmenu.html (The Restoration of Capitalism in the Soviet Union)

4. Bad.
5. Lawyers, managers, any type of boss job, etc. Under communism, the only jobs necessary will be the ones that exist. (Janitors, factory/agricultural workers, etc.)
6. Leninist Vanguard Party concept. As Engels said in The Principles of Communism (1840, that should be the first thing a newbie reads, moreso than the Manifesto), if peaceful revolution were possible that'd be totally neato, but it isn't so violence is required.

comrade stalin guevara
21st July 2008, 13:51
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Thank you for your time!

Kia ora comrade.

1, No
2,a)No. b) Helping the poor not exploiting them
3, stalin was needed[good]
4, Trotsky was needed[bad]haha bloody stalinist!
5, Politicians,landlords,c.e.o?more...
6, Bolshevik style,i.e, turn protest violent. b)You cannot make a revolution with silk gloves.
Joseph Stalin (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/josephstal378366.html)

Again welcome to the revolution comrade.

JamilD
21st July 2008, 14:56
Thank you all for your help. I have a clearer idea now... the impression the West makes on the Soviet Union is very unfair.

But I still kind of agree with George Orwell in some ways...

gla22
21st July 2008, 15:11
1. i think some form of currency will have to remain for a period of time until the country is stable enough and it can be phased out. I would like to see necessities operate on a gift economy and luxury goods operate on a market economy.
2. No, collective ownership and progressive taxation to maintain not completely equal but close to equal income distribution.
3. bad
4. Some bad some good
5. Most banking finance, speculation, stockbrokers, government jobs ect.
6. Violent uprising or coup.

Lost In Translation
21st July 2008, 17:07
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Thank you for your time!
Hello comrade, it's nice to know you're so hungry for learning.

1. No, currency should be non-existent
2 a) no
b) raise awareness that some jobs are more important, and are more needed to run society, therefore demanding different pay. However, these jobs are exclusive to each other. There aren't "CEOs" or "paperboys". You're WORKERS
3. tough question. Both, I guess.
4. Again, both.
5. administrative positions, and positions of power (bosses, CEOs). We just need the jobs that keep society running (no political parties and all that).
6. Violent only when necessary. But it will be necessary, so it doesn't make a difference :D

Demogorgon
21st July 2008, 17:44
1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
People get hung up on the issue of currency. Communists look at money in a very negative light, but our ability to come up with an alternative is somewhat lacking. Labour Credit is the best alternative. At any rate, in the long run, who knows what will happen? Hopefully any form of currency will become unnecessary. In the short term, currency of some description will be needed, but it needs to be different from capitalist types of money. Capitalism has moved through a number of different money types, from Commodity money to Fiduciary money to the present system of Fiat money. Fiat money is in fact an improvement over previous systems of money, but it goes nowhere near far enough. If we are to use money, we need to move things on drastically.

2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?Absolute equality is not really necessary. Rather people should be rewarded according to the level of work they do with adjustments made to make sure the income gap does not grow too large and to provide those who can't work with an income.

3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)He was a tyrant

4. '' Trotsky good or bad?He made mistakes but I have a favorable view of him

5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?Banking as it exists now will be obviously not be needed, though if I am right about money, a different kind of socialist banking may be needed (to allocate societies collective investment). Anyway all other financial institutions and the professions that accompany them need to go.

6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Trying to predict these kind of things can only make yourself foolish. All I will say is that it will be different in different parts of the world. There will probably be some violence, particularly where more authoritarian Governments need to be overthrow, but any violence is of course deeply regrettable.

Decolonize The Left
21st July 2008, 17:59
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

I certainly won't, and doubt any others will either.


1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?

No. Currency is a medium of trade. Within a communist society, where the society is based around the principle 'to each according to need, from each according to ability,' mediums of trade are obsolete. In fact, mediums of trade serve the purpose (among others) of allowing the accumulation of mediums in place of actual goods, thereby created monetary 'wealth.'


2. a) Should Salaries be equal?

If you are referring to socialism, yes. But remember, if you make salaries equal you might as well get rid of money all-together. It would simplify the entire situation.


b) If not, how can you maintain equality?

It seems as though you are referring to monetary equality, or material equality, no? If this is the case, then equality is maintained by placing the workers in control of production, and abolishing classes. Material inequality could be considered a more precise word for "classes."

I would merely like to add that 'equality' can be conceived of in terms of human value and freedom. But this is another thread.


3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)

Stalin was a tyrant with a very distorted view of Marxism.


4. '' Trotsky good or bad?

Tougher question, I opt for both.


5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?

All professions which do not produce actual goods and services of value to the community: Bankers, lawyers, stock market analysts and traders, real estate brokers, CEOs, business consultants, the list goes on...


6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

We will not start a revolution. We may be a part of one, but the working class as a whole will start a revolution.

As to how the revolution will transpire, this is largely determined by the class consciousness of the workers at the time, material conditions, opposition power, etc... It is too early/difficult to say.

We need only say that we ought to strive for a peaceful revolution, but should violence be necessary (and it very well might), then we shall be prepared for such.


Thank you for your time!

No worries, I hope this helped.

- August

Dros
21st July 2008, 18:01
1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?

No. Communism is a society that transcends commodity exchange. Currency presumes private property. In a post-scarcity, post-ownership society, there would be no basis for currency to exist.


2. a) Should Salaries be equal?

During socialism, yes. During Communism, there won't be salaries.


3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)

Good. Although he made mistakes, the strides he made in terms of building socialism in the USSR were truly historic.


4. '' Trotsky good or bad?

Bad. He lead a counterrevolutionary movement in the USSR.


5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?

I can't predict the future. And neither can anyone else. That depends on a variety of factors like technological development.


6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

By building a vanguard party and bringing revolutionary Communist ideology to the masses. Then during a revolutionary period (a period where revolution is possible) we will seize state power. It will be, by necessity, a violent revolution.

F9
21st July 2008, 18:06
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

Firstly you will here a variety of oppinions on your questions because there are differentiations on what we believe,some are Anarchists,some Marxists,Trotskyists etc.You wont be able to get a clear view on the answers.Everyone things that he is correct and other are incorrect answers.So building youw own oppinion would help you better!;)


1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
No at all,it wont needed.

2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
there wont be "salaries".Everyone will get what he needs nothing more,nothing less.People would maintain equality.


3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
BAD

4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
BAD

5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
policemens,security quards etc and some others i cant thing over right now!

6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)
revoultion is violent and it will start when people are aware of their rights and start demanding their freedom!


Thank you for your time!

Glad to help,we like people asking questions on things that they are not really knowledge about,and dont just judge in their knowledge lack.;)

Fuserg9:star:

Q
21st July 2008, 18:34
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Thank you for your time!
Greetings and welcome to the forum!

1. Currency will always exist. In communist society it will exist as a means to see how successful the planning of society is happening. Without a currency you lose this valuable way of measurement and planning will drift off from what is really needed. But as for daily importance, money will lose it's "magical" value like it has in capitalism, because there's a superabundance.

2. Like I explained, money has lost all practical value in communist society. Wages are no longer the main vessel of coercion to have people work. In fact, in communist socity people are completely free to do whatever the hell they want to do. They're free to develop themselves in whatever way they want, do any work they want to do, etc. Under socialism, the transitionary stage towards communism, the working week can be progressively be shortened until it comes to a point where people contribution to society in their free time is enough contribution by itself. In short, we only allow people to be able to extend their social life. Equality is assured by letting everyone having the same chances to develop the way they like.

3. Stalin was the product of the degeneration of the Russian Revolution of 1917. He was at the top of a totalitarian regime that killed off workers democracy and used the surplus of society for its own needs. However, the planned economy and the five year plans he carried through, despite the zigzags in bureaucratic policy (one year you had to do A, while next year you to do the complete opposite), despite a very cruel collectivisation of the agrarian sector, despite the skimming off of the surplus by the bureaucratic parasites, among others, was able to develop the USSR to an industrial power in a matter of 15 years. This proves the potential of a democratically planned economy, run, controlled and managed by workers in a socialist society.

4. Trotsky was the most important leader of the ussian Revolution, after Lenin (Stalin was nowhere in sight in 1917). Trotsky always defended workers democracy and was elected chairman of the St Petersburg Soviet in both the 1905 and 1917 revolutions. He started the Red Army from scratch in the most difficult circumstances of a civil war (from 1918 to 1921 there was a civil war between the Bolshevik government (the reds) and the old tsarist armies (the whites), the latter ones where aided by 21 imperialist armies). The Red Army at this time had no ranks at all and all commanding officers were directly elected by the soldiers (Stalin eventually reintroduced an officer corps). Trotsky leaded the Left Opposition against the bureaucratic degeneration under Stalins lead and wrote an important analysis on the subject (The Revolution Betrayed (http://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1936/revbet/index.htm)). As early as 1924 (if I remember correctly, someone should correct me if I'm wrong) Trotsky argued for a voluntary collectivisation of the agrarian sector and an fastened industrialisation at a time that Stalin and co. still argued for an agrarian economy based on the Kulaks (once Trotsky was expelled Stalin suddenly changed his position and used barbarian methods for collectivisation and industrialisation). He was eventually murdered by an agent of Stalin in exile in Mexico.

5. Well, people who work on Wall Street are one :lol: But seriously, all monotone industrial work could be fully automised, which could lead to an even shorter working week.

6. The working class has no interest in using violence in obtaining power. The actual take over of power in the Russian Revolution, contrary to popular propaganda, was not violent at all. The subsequent civil war however was, but this was not the choice of the Bolsheviks... We try to raise peoples political and class consciousness so people will take society into their own hands and organise it under their rule (read into the concept of soviets here (http://www.marxists.org/glossary/orgs/s/o.htm#soviets)). A revolutionary party is needed to pose a political alternative for working people, that's what we are building. Not only nationally, but also internationally. The Committee for a Workers International for example has sections in about 40 countries on all continents. Once one capitalist country will be overthrown, it can act as a beacon of hope and inspiration for workers in the region and worldwide which in turn might cause other revolutions, thusly spreading socialism internationally.

Harrycombs
21st July 2008, 19:10
1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
In a communist society, there wouldn't be currency.

2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
There are no salaries in a communist society. There are, however, in a socialist society.

b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
In my opinion, they should change depending on the needs of the person in a socialist society.

3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
He did some great things for his country, although he did make mistakes. Don't believe all the lies surrounding him. I suggest reading Another View of Stalin.

4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
He seemed to be quite full of himself, in my opinion. After Stalin came to power, instead of him, he wanted to overthrow the Soviet Union's government. He got what he deserved in my opinion.

5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
Bankers would obviously no longer be needed.

6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

It may start out peaceful, but the bourgeoisie will probably use force to keep their power secure if they feel threatened. I hope its relatively peaceful though.

jake williams
22nd July 2008, 02:43
1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?

Again, distinguishing between socialism and communism, socialism yes, communism no. The idea is "at least at first" because it couldn't and wouldn't be abolished instantly. There might be something with an analogous function to some degree, but it's hard to say.


2. a) Should Salaries be equal?

There are no salaries in a communist society. There are, however, in a socialist society.

b) If not, how can you maintain equality?

In my opinion, they should change depending on the needs of the person in a socialist society.


3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)

Stalin was a psychotic tyrant who did a lot to destroy socialism in Russia. His record on political and other rights was abominable, and in no way necessary for any supposed socialist project he might have been engaged in. On the other hand, these things, which I belief are true, don't necessarily explain the complexities of the effects of his actions. Building a powerful Soviet Union probably had beneficial effects. Beating the Nazis certainly did, though of course he didn't do it for good reasons.

4. '' Trotsky good or bad?

He doesn't strike me as an especially moral person, nor a brilliant theorist. But the fact that he represents courage and integrity in the face of intellectual and political repression leads me to at least feel sort of a sentimental respect for him, even if it's not entirely rational.


5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?

It's hard to say. I don't know if there's necessarily as much "waste" (in terms of professions) in capitalist societies as is often proposed. For example, I think some types of managerial activities would still be required, though they would need some reconception, as would some types of economic planner who fulfill something like the job some bankers do. The point is that while some jobs would disappear, many would simply change substantially (and all or almost all would change at least a bit).

6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

In short, the work for now is mostly consciousness raising. You need a working class that wants socialism. Without that you can't do anything. With that you can do a lot. Of course things are more complex than that, there are still other types of work and so on, but a lot of them are at least related to that. Moving beyond that to more specific details about long term goals isn't really practical, and requires information we don't have I think.

danyboy27
22nd July 2008, 03:29
holy shit!

seriously, i hope someone told to that person that told to that person:
awser may vary depending of the type of marxism the person praise...

apathy maybe
22nd July 2008, 11:17
holy shit!

seriously, i hope someone told to that person that told to that person:
awser may vary depending of the type of marxism the person praise...

Yeah I was going to say...

See we have various sorts of authoritarian scum around here, some of whom like Stalin, some of whom don't (generally those who like him don't like Trotsky, and vice versa).

Then we have less authoritarian types, up to and including various anarchist types.

And nearly all of them are going to give a different answer to each question.


Basically, there is no such thing as "communism", because there is too much disagreement as to what it actually means.

Though, most people do agree that there wouldn't be any such thing as currency or salaries in a communist (as opposed to pre-communist (variously known as "socialism" (state, Marxist or narrow socialism from my perspective), "dictatorship of the proletariat" (bullshit, statism, transitional stage, revolutionary period and other possible labels) or other things depending on whom you talk to) society.


As for violence, will the scum in power give up power without violence? They use violence every day, whenever the police beat an innocent person, whenever the police beat anyone, the death penalty, incarceration, taxes, all are forms of violence or threats of violence. And do you think that the sort of people who use and/or authorise this sort of violence ever day are just going to give up power? You have to be joking.

Finally, professions, in a future perfect society there will be no need for all the money pushing jobs (stock markets and banks, for example, won't exist, and various jobs associated with them won't either), nor many of the "law enforcement" type jobs, and come to think of it, the law making jobs either...

With such a surge of people into the labour system, we will all be able to work 4 hours a day or less! (Not to mention that machines will do even more of the work.)

Future perfect society, the perfect society, just around that corner... (as soon as we shoot the politicians, the police, the top military brass, various CEOs and other rich scum etc.).

danyboy27
22nd July 2008, 12:03
Yeah I was going to say...

See we have various sorts of authoritarian scum around here, some of whom like Stalin, some of whom don't (generally those who like him don't like Trotsky, and vice versa).

Then we have less authoritarian types, up to and including various anarchist types.

And nearly all of them are going to give a different answer to each question.


Basically, there is no such thing as "communism", because there is too much disagreement as to what it actually means.

Though, most people do agree that there wouldn't be any such thing as currency or salaries in a communist (as opposed to pre-communist (variously known as "socialism" (state, Marxist or narrow socialism from my perspective), "dictatorship of the proletariat" (bullshit, statism, transitional stage, revolutionary period and other possible labels) or other things depending on whom you talk to) society.


As for violence, will the scum in power give up power without violence? They use violence every day, whenever the police beat an innocent person, whenever the police beat anyone, the death penalty, incarceration, taxes, all are forms of violence or threats of violence. And do you think that the sort of people who use and/or authorise this sort of violence ever day are just going to give up power? You have to be joking.

Finally, professions, in a future perfect society there will be no need for all the money pushing jobs (stock markets and banks, for example, won't exist, and various jobs associated with them won't either), nor many of the "law enforcement" type jobs, and come to think of it, the law making jobs either...

With such a surge of people into the labour system, we will all be able to work 4 hours a day or less! (Not to mention that machines will do even more of the work.)

Future perfect society, the perfect society, just around that corner... (as soon as we shoot the politicians, the police, the top military brass, various CEOs and other rich scum etc.).

and dont forget the luxembourgist, and all sort of modered regarded from the leninst has not enough hardcore....

i am a modered myself, but i try to avoid saying it, i got terrible fear of being bashed by my marxist leninist friend for that.

There is No God!
23rd July 2008, 09:38
1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?

No, however a moneyless society will only come about if the working class are truly committed to reorganising the entire structure of society around the common needs.

Here is a quote from Anton Pannekoek's 'Workers' Councils' about the principles the working class needs to adopt in order to live in a society free from currency:


What are the foundations of the new society? They are the social forces of fellowship and solidarity, of discipline and enthusiasm, the moral forces of self-sacrifice and devotion to the community, the spiritual forces of knowledge, of courage and perseverance, the firm organisation that binds all these forces into a unity of purpose, all of them are the outcome of the class fight.

Maybe that helps.



2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?


If there working class are committed to the reorganization of society around Libertarian Communist principles, then and I don't see why the concept of the 'salary' needs to continue post-revolution.



3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)

Bad


4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
Bad



5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
Any work which is of no importance to the people.


6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

A peaceful revolution would be nice, but it will never happen. The state uses violence everyday, whether it is through the police, the law, the prison system, the army or the exploitation of labour, there's no reason to believe that they won't use any tool at their disposal to keep power.

Tower of Bebel
23rd July 2008, 17:37
The different opinions on Stalin and trotsky are funny :lol:. I suggest you stay with Marx, Engels and lenin and explore some other marxists after that.

Trystan
23rd July 2008, 18:37
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Thank you for your time!

1. No.
2. a.) No salaries, b.) we maintain socioeconomic equality without profit driven society. But of course, communists wanting equality in all spheres of existence is a myth (perpetrated by the right). Do not be taken in by this lie.
3. Bad. Undeniably. He disgraced the socialist/communist banner with his totalitarianism.
4. Good. Not that it particularly matters much anymore, but Trotsky was a sincere enough revolutionary who sacrificed his life for the cause. He was flawed, but I do admire his personality.
5. In a finalised communist society? I guess the military and politicians. Possibly the police.
6. Similar to the Leninist model, but more oriented on the workers' councils. I guess a kind of Luxemburgism is where I position myself, personally. Violence? Yes if necessary.

TheCultofAbeLincoln
23rd July 2008, 19:12
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?

Of course, no other practical means of exchange exists.


2. a) Should Salaries be equal?

No.


b) If not, how can you maintain equality?

By having society provide most services we would pay for today.


3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)

Genocide is bad.



4. '' Trotsky good or bad?


I'm not a trot, but he was certainly the better of the two. For one thing, he actually fought, while Stalin sat around and built a secret police force.


5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?

Whatever society does not demand. I expect the profession of Banker to go by the wayside, though.


6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Nobody here intends to start shit. If they did, they wouldn't be here.

BIG BROTHER
23rd July 2008, 19:47
Hi All! I have a few questions to ask, I hope you don't take offense to any of them...

1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?
2. a) Should Salaries be equal?
b) If not, how can you maintain equality?
3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)
4. '' Trotsky good or bad?
5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?
6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Thank you for your time!

Once the communist mode of production is reached, there will be no currency since all scarcity has been eliminated.

There will be no salaries.

Since there are no salaries you don't have to worry about making them equal.

I follow Trotsky's line, but the labels "good" and "bad" are meaningless for both Stalin and Trotsky.

Probably all professions having to do with advertisement and money will become useless and disappear. Also since communism will be a world wide mode of production were the state will wither away, there won't be political jobs either.

The revolution will develop in each country according to its conditions. But so far it seems that a vanguard party is necessary to lead them.

TheCultofAbeLincoln
23rd July 2008, 19:53
Once the communist mode of production is reached, there will be no currency since all scarcity has been eliminated.


How is that going to happen?

Dr Mindbender
23rd July 2008, 20:08
How is that going to happen?
because the human and automotive resources squandered under capitalism will be put to their full potential for a start. Secondly, without the price system the shangrila of abundance hoarded by the ruling class can start to be distributed among ordinary people.

BIG BROTHER
24th July 2008, 02:27
Yep what ulster said, for example in a capitalis society you can't overproduce something because then the company or who ever makes it would go broke since nobody would need to buy anymore whatever he makes. But in a socialist society this would be posible and beneficial.

Of course keep in mind that communism won't be reached anytime soon, even if by tomorrow all countries went socialist.

INDK
25th July 2008, 17:09
1. Do you think Currency should be implemented in a Communist Society?

I think that it will be phased out eventually, for the generally non-stable beginnings of post-revolutionary society, however, I don't see it being totally abolished. As Capitalism loses it's hold in society so will monetary systems.


2. a) Should Salaries be equal?

As said, in a post-revolutionary society there wouldn't be a system like that.


b) If not, how can you maintain equality?

Each person is a freely associated producer and has equal access to the means of production, in a nutshell.


3. Was Stalin good, or bad? (In your opinion)

Bad.


4. '' Trotsky good or bad?

Bad.


5. What professions will become non-existent or not needed?

Umm, politician, treasurer? :lol: The professions that manage and operate the state apparatus.


6. How do you plan to start a revolution, and how would the revolution go (peaceful, violent, etc...)

Most likely armed. The climax of class struggle.

Detail with questions and disputes...

TheCultofAbeLincoln
27th July 2008, 01:51
Yep what ulster said, for example in a capitalis society you can't overproduce something because then the company or who ever makes it would go broke since nobody would need to buy anymore whatever he makes. But in a socialist society this would be posible and beneficial.

Of course keep in mind that communism won't be reached anytime soon, even if by tomorrow all countries went socialist.

What company makes arable land?



because the human and automotive resources squandered under capitalism will be put to their full potential for a start. Secondly, without the price system the shangrila of abundance hoarded by the ruling class can start to be distributed among ordinary people.


If the price system were abolished, there would be no way of guarantying that everybody got a share. Would we all just stick our hands in a bucket and split up the worlds resources?

Abolishing the price system sounds like the most naive idea in the world to me. Would a loaf of white bread, which took more time and labor than a loaf of wheat bread, be as easy to attain as other varieties?