americans, take care of yourselves! - no wounded soldiers to

[Temperguss]

if the usa want to attack iraq they have to take the consequences, and no other country should help them, except their criminal partners!

we germans don't want a war on iraq, and we should NOT transport ANY wounded soldiers with german aircraft to german airbases.
the american terrorists are responsible for what they're doing so if they decided to die, they should die!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Who led D-day to liberate you from Nazi Control?

The USA

Who rubuilt your nation with millions of dollars after WWII?

The USA

Who staved off a Soviet Invasion of you country for 50 years, and contributed to the fal of the berlin wall?

The USA

Who maintains Viable trade relations with you, and is your largest trade partner?

The USA

Now, not only will you not help us in Iraq, but you want to refuse medical attention to our troops too?

Fuck you, you are a disgrace, and must have a very short fucking memory. You are dispicable.

[Mazdak]

D Day did nothing. The Soviets are the ones who liberated Germany. The US and Britain came in during the last stages of the war because they knew if they didnt the Soviets would take all of Germany.

Staved off soviet invasion? the Soviets didn't need to invade, East Germany was already on their side, and the USSR fell from the inside. You are giving the US credit for something it had nothing to do with.

However, i will give the US credit in rebuilding Germany(not on its own) however its reasons were simply to stave off communists from gaining power.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:01 pm on Jan. 25, 2003
D Day did nothing. The Soviets are the ones who liberated Germany. The US and Britain came in during the last stages of the war because they knew if they didnt the Soviets would take all of Germany.

Staved off soviet invasion? the Soviets didn't need to invade, East Germany was already on their side, and the USSR fell from the inside. You are giving the US credit for something it had nothing to do with.

However, i will give the US credit in rebuilding Germany(not on its own) however its reasons were simply to stave off communists from gaining power.


Oh, come on, Mazdak! How many times are we going to go over this?

The soviets did good on the eastern front, no doubt about it. However, Hitler's choice to attempt an invasion in the winter was a big factor on your side. You were partly defending country you still had, a musch easier task than liberating occupied territory.

But to minimize the importance of D-Day is merely to ignore history. D-Day was the spear-head of an American led operation to liberate the whole of occcupied Western Europe! This was Nazi occupied teritory, with german forces dug in everywhere!

What about the Battle of the Bulge, and the B-17's of the Mighty Eigth Air Force destroying the Nazi war machine over Berlin?

Come on, Mazdak, just concede that liberation of Western Europe was tantamount to defeating the Nazis.

[Mazdak]

I understand D Day's significance, however, the west plays it up to more than it is. True D Day was successful, but the Soviet Union was already putting the situation under control by this time.

The US did most of its fighting in the Pacific against the Japanese. I will give them credit there. However, if D Day had not happened, it is my belief the Third Reich would still have lost the war. The only difference would be a march larger soviet influence(France, the whole of Germany, Italy, and basically the entire mainland of Europe. D Day helped relieve the immense pressure on the Soviet Union, but it did not win the war.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:01 pm on Jan. 25, 2003
D Day did nothing. The Soviets are the ones who liberated Germany. The US and Britain came in during the last stages of the war because they knew if they didnt the Soviets would take all of Germany.

Staved off soviet invasion? the Soviets didn't need to invade, East Germany was already on their side, and the USSR fell from the inside. You are giving the US credit for something it had nothing to do with.

However, i will give the US credit in rebuilding Germany(not on its own) however its reasons were simply to stave off communists from gaining power.


BRITAIN was in the WAR befor the SOVIOTS or any one else except a few conquered nations. The battle of EL Alamain is widley considered to be the turning point of the War. If the British and US troops had not been fighting then the USSR would have been defeated. You see thats what a multi frount war is about. Many of the German troops were defending the western Front if they were not they would have been fighting the Soviots.

The reason why the Soviots had all those casualties was a mixture of poor tactics and shit weapons. So if any thing it was the West that saved the USSR not the other war round.

[Mazdak]

Here is another point to make- Stalin offereed Churchill a grand anti facist alliance and he rejected it. Therefore Stalin then had the Nazi Soviet Non Aggression Treaty signed. The British fought, but North Africa was NOT the crucial battlefield. If the Germans had kept it, it would have made little difference in the outcome. What would Nazi controlled countries be worth if their brain power(Ie, the Third Reich) was already being destroyed by the USSR. The British fought alone thanks to France's quick surrender and Poland's poor pathetic excuse for a military machine.

[Invader Zim]

El Alamain had a huge affect on the war it meant that all the troops in Africa could be sent to defend the Western Front. It was the First step to winning the war.

[Mazdak]

It also allowed Germany to concentrate more on defending the western front. Erwin Rommel went from dodging and battling the british in north africa(which in affect was a front that had little impact to the western front or the eastern front, it was just the british defending their possessions in Africa.) This also freed Erwin Rommel to take over the defenses of the Western Front and supervise their construction.

[Invader Zim]

Fine whatever you say the USSR had no need for the rest of the allies they could have won the war single handed. :P

[Guest]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:49 pm on Jan. 25, 2003
Who led D-day to liberate you from Nazi Control?

The USA

Who rubuilt your nation with millions of dollars after WWII?

The USA

Who staved off a Soviet Invasion of you country for 50 years, and contributed to the fal of the berlin wall?

The USA

Who maintains Viable trade relations with you, and is your largest trade partner?

The USA

Now, not only will you not help us in Iraq, but you want to refuse medical attention to our troops too?

Fuck you, you are a disgrace, and must have a very short fucking memory. You are dispicable.


CI, prepare for a taste of your own medicine.

Who distracted and depleated Nazi Forces so that D Day was possible? Who eventually marched on Berlin and freed the German people?

The USSR! ( And don't go thinking I'm a Stalinist, I'm just speakin' the truth)

Who funded lerge percentages of Nazi Germany's war machine?

USA (An ancestor of Dubya to be exact)

Who is more paranoid than the Roman Empire?

USA

Who is nearly everybody's largest trading partner wther it's good for them or not?

USA

Now, you invade Iraq and expect everyone to jump on your banwaggon like some schoolyard bully. Fuck You. YOU ARE THE AXIS OF EVIL.

[Larissa]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 1:49 pm on Jan. 25, 2003
Who led D-day to liberate you from Nazi Control?

The USA

Who rubuilt your nation with millions of dollars after WWII?

The USA

Who staved off a Soviet Invasion of you country for 50 years, and contributed to the fal of the berlin wall?

The USA

Who maintains Viable trade relations with you, and is your largest trade partner?

The USA

Now, not only will you not help us in Iraq, but you want to refuse medical attention to our troops too?

Fuck you, you are a disgrace, and must have a very short fucking memory. You are dispicable.
Who is constantly starving the third world countries with their devastating "protectionist" measures?
THE USA..and they give a shit about people's life.

[Anonymous]

Do you know why it was an American led operation. Because they'd been doing fuck all while the rest of Europe got bombed to pieces. Although many American people wanted to join the war (and some did) Congress refused to get its hands dirty until it had been slapped in the face.

By that time Britain and the USSR had suffered appaling casualties allowing America to sweep in and claim glory.


And we all knew where Private Ryan was. We had him on fucking maps but did the Americans ever consider asking us?

[Tkinter1]

"Who is constantly starving the third world countries with their devastating "protectionist" measures?
THE USA..and they give a shit about people's life."

no. They don't even accept the food we do give them becuase they're afriad it's toxic. The president of Zambia said he would rather have his people starve than eat GM food, because the food could be toxic. (even though Americans ,Japanese and Europeans consume it with no problem.)


(Edited by Tkinter1 at 1:48 am on Jan. 29, 2003)

[truthaddict11]

tinkter1 we eat GM food because of the WTO its fucking everywhere Monsanto outta my corn! and i believe that europe is stongly against frankenfood, it is wrong we dont know the long term affects of GM food who knows maybe 30 years down the line people will start dying of new cancers because of GMOs. I do have a problem knowing that my food is geneticly mutated and buying organic food is out of me or my families buget.
rant over

[Tkinter1]

Starving based on speculation? GM food is Africa's only hope. Organic foods don't produce enough to feed the people. If they could, I would be all for it.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 3:45 am on Jan. 29, 2003
Starving based on speculation?

Excellent point, Tkinter, excellent point

[ID2002]

While I think GM stuff can be risky...GM is the only way to go in some parts of the world which are suffering enviromental changes or mass famines. No doubt.
...if it works to save lives, then its well worth it. Food is food.

Look at Canola Oil, look at low water content wheat strains, orange-lemon fruit, look at Niacin enriched flower...these have all become GM'ed. They aren't hazardous.

(Edited by ID2002 at 7:17 am on Jan. 29, 2003)

[truthaddict11]

tinkter, yes GM foods are the only food for some countries but what about the long term affects of it. i mean if a piece of corn has genes that make it have its own pesticide and you eat that corn how good is it for you really? the long term affects are unknown. i think it is better to let food plants and animals be thier genetic selves instead of fucking around with mother nature

[Tkinter1]

Truthaddict,

I assume you've had a hot pepper at some point in your life... The hotness in the pepper is a natural pesticide. Natrual pesticides such as that aren't harmful, and this is probably(not exactly) the type of pesticide they're inserting into the DNA structure.

Natrual crops just don't yield enough produce for the African people. They need to take this risk, and it's a very slight risk at that.

If you think about it, just about everything we do has some sort of long term risk involved...sitting at the computer right now relases low-frequency VLF and electromagnetic fields which have been thought to cause miscarriages and brain tumors. Should we eliminate our use of computers and revert to the 'old style'?

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 8:56 pm on Jan. 29, 2003)

[truthaddict11]

the affects of fucking with plants and putting monsanto pestiside geneticly planted into plants dna is what worries me.

[Tkinter1]

Who says they are?

[truthaddict11]

monsanto