A communist revolution...some questions regarding

[forward]

If a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union? When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way? Perhaps because he wanted to keep the power, because humans are naturally greedy, not the result of capitalism, because of survival of the fittest has always existed and competition before capitalism. When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges? Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnot. When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy, while the majority suffers at the hands of your brutal ways, and have a secret police system, kinda like the NKVD, with excessive powers, and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...Wait, how is this better than capitalism?

[danyboy27]

If a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union? When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way? Perhaps because he wanted to keep the power, because humans are naturally greedy, not the result of capitalism, because of survival of the fittest has always existed and competition before capitalism. When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges? Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnot. When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy, while the majority suffers at the hands of your brutal ways, and have a secret police system, kinda like the NKVD, with excessive powers, and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...Wait, how is this better than capitalism?

i know what you mean, revolutions sucked bad in many countries, for the reason you mentionned.

the thing is, human are not naturally greed, but power corrupt, and the reflex of majority in time of incertitude is to turn in the dirrection of the authority, communist or capitalist. perhaps marx didnt expected that problem.

i think that, revolution, has many of us see it is completly wrong, even if it will happen, it will finish either in a dictatorship or a bloodbath(massive killing). the degree of social awareness of the world is not high enough to permit us to do something peaceful atm.

But i am confident that, with time, with carefully planned move, we can achieve a quiet and peacefull revolution.

[forward]

Well I think most people are greedy (look at this world) and will react neagivetly to change. You cannot have a peaceful revolution if the majority supports the status quo. And how can you ensure that it will work good once it is established? Like people will take more than what their needs are...and wont share....and there will be inevitable turmoil because there is no government to keep people in place.

[F9]

If a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?

no,in a revolution we dont going to kill capitalists.We will defend the revolution from counter-revolutionaries and that would get and killings,no one is going to die from what he believes.But yes those who try to kill us and step to our way we will fight them,what we are going to let them kill us instead?


And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union? When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way? Perhaps because he wanted to keep the power, because humans are naturally greedy, not the result of capitalism, because of survival of the fittest has always existed and competition before capitalism.

I myself not a Marxist and not the ideal person to answer you this on who they think of it.But i can say what i know.Yes Marx said that there wont be no goverment in communism,although to get to communism he says that the state will be there with the dictaroship of the proletariat,this would be the transitional stage to finally come communism with no goverment.(notice that USSR was NOT a communist country).
I myself dissagree with the aboves but i told you what happened!


When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?

Who are us?WE are the workers,we wont steal ourselwes!


I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges? Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnot.. When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy, while the majority suffers at the hands of your brutal ways, and have a secret police system, kinda like the NKVD, with excessive powers, and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...

Thats not communism!:closedeyes:


Wait, how is this better than capitalism?

You propably dont know much about Communism thats why you see no differences from capitalism.The "arguments" you setting above just dont count because they dont express communism but facism:blink:.

Fuserg9:star:

[danyboy27]

Well I think most people are greedy (look at this world) and will react neagivetly to change. You cannot have a peaceful revolution if the majority supports the status quo. And how can you ensure that it will work good once it is established? Like people will take more than what their needs are...and wont share....and there will be inevitable turmoil because there is no government to keep people in place.


look at your private message dude!
i wanna talk to you in private if possible.

[Lost In Translation]

If a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union? When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way? Perhaps because he wanted to keep the power, because humans are naturally greedy, not the result of capitalism, because of survival of the fittest has always existed and competition before capitalism. When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges? Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnot. When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy, while the majority suffers at the hands of your brutal ways, and have a secret police system, kinda like the NKVD, with excessive powers, and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...Wait, how is this better than capitalism?
You would make a very good addition to the OI...

[forward]

I'm talking about the practical compoenets of communism. They are no more ideal than fascism. Actually they are FASCIST in many respects. Both have controlled economy and absolute obidence to the elite. I find it ironic that communists advocate equality, but the reality is so much different....

[danyboy27]

I'm talking about the practical compoenets of communism. They are no more ideal than fascism. Actually they are FASCIST in many respects. Both have controlled economy and absolute obidence to the elite. I find it ironic that communists advocate equality, but the reality is so much different....

communism and fascist is not the same thing, the only thing that make them similar is that they are both extreme.

[F9]

your brain is fascism because you have no idea on what you are talking about,you just come here and spread the propaganda some other told to you.Go learn what communism is,and then start judging with stupid arguments.

Fuserg9:star:

[danyboy27]

your brain is fascism because you have no idea on what you are talking about,you just come here and spread the propaganda some other told to you.Go learn what communism is,and then start judging with stupid arguments.

Fuserg9:star:

its not a proper way to learn to someone

[Lost In Translation]

Tell me, forward, what is it about communism THE THEORY that you don't like. I don't care about the history of "Communism", many people don't like that part, but is it about the theory that you don't like?

[forward]

Fuserg9I know what communism is, I am simply saying that it is impractical because it will always turn out badly knowing humans are involved. The PRACTICAL applications of communism are like fascism, not the theoretical. globalcommie94,Well I am not arguing the theory, I am arguing what inevitably results from it. But in the theory, even I dont like it, because there is no room for improvement and no room to make more money for your labour.

[Trystan]

f a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?If necessary, yes. If the will of the people is sufficiently towards communism, then they cannot have much influence anyway. But they are welcome to join us, of course.


And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union? When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way?Marx taught that before we can reach communism, we must pass through a period of transition; a socialist stage. The Leninists believe that a dictatorship of the proletariat is necessary, to make major socialist overhauls. This is why the Bolsheviks did not give up their power; it was to do with theory, not "being naturally greedy". The anarchists have a different take on this - they would be done with the state immediately and achieve communism through the already existing unions and federations.


When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges?Because we will need to be as democratic as possible. Revolution from below; democracy from below. The Party should be open, and decisions should not be made by a small clique. When the next revolution arrives, we need to be more democratic next time. Why would we want the privledges? I am opposed to that. Most communists are.


Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnotSarcasm goes unanswered. Sorry.


When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy,Now you're answering your own questions with tired clichés. Communism: a stateless, classless society. We wish to unite the working class and put power in their hands. These are our goals. The methods in attaining it are many. The Gulag is one, but I doubt you'd find many Stalinists (with a mental age of an adult) around today.


and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...Wait, how is this better than capitalism?Stalinism wasn't better than capitalism. Communism is. Do you want to know why we hate capitalism? Read books. Read about its history of slavery, of the wars that have been fought for profit. Read about how, in the 1980s, when the people of Ethiopia were starving to death, 75% of the money produced in that country was sent to Europe. Is that better than the world we are trying to realize? Ethically, is it not wrong to support such a system?

Any more questions, feel free to ask.

[forward]

What if someone lives nicely under capitalism because they worked hard to get there and they do not want their children to live under poverty in communism? Will you kill theem?Most people are greedy though. I mean I would love to have power. If I had power I wouldnt give it up. It's natural for humans to want power. Yes I know what communism is in THEORY, but it doesnt work like it does in theory. And I know that communism in attempted again will be like the Soviet Union. Poverty would be evident espeically because the economy is centrally controlled, so the planning commitee would not know where to allocate resources because the forces of supply and demand are not the guiding force. So they would probably give more to those in authorirty, because who cares about the working class when you can have more eh? Also mass production was high but that doest mean stuff are any good. Look at Cuba and their 1950 cars. nice, eh? Stalin was the inevitable result of communism. Other leader like him could rise because communism is the breeding ground for dictatorships. And fyi, the Us isn't capitalist. no country is. Read books on that.

[danyboy27]

What if someone lives nicely under capitalism because they worked hard to get there and they do not want their children to live under poverty in communism? Will you kill theem?Most people are greedy though. I mean I would love to have power. If I had power I wouldnt give it up. It's natural for humans to want power. Yes I know what communism is in THEORY, but it doesnt work like it does in theory. And I know that communism in attempted again will be like the Soviet Union. Poverty would be evident espeically because the economy is centrally controlled, so the planning commitee would not know where to allocate resources because the forces of supply and demand are not the guiding force. So they would probably give more to those in authorirty, because who cares about the working class when you can have more eh? Also mass production was high but that doest mean stuff are any good. Look at Cuba and their 1950 cars. nice, eh? Stalin was the inevitable result of communism. Other leader like him could rise because communism is the breeding ground for dictatorships. And fyi, the Us isn't capitalist. no country is. Read books on that.

seriously foward, ask me those question in private, you just dont know what kind of fury you will unleash here!

[Lost In Translation]

seriously foward, ask me those question in private, you just dont know what kind of fury you will unleash here!
Seriously, the Commie Club members will rip you apart, forward.

[#FF0000]

Forward, you are arguing from a flawed premise. Authoritarianism is NOT a necessary component of socialism.

[Trystan]

What if someone lives nicely under capitalism because they worked hard to get there and they do not want their children to live under poverty in communism?

Hypothetically speaking, huh? Well, hypothetically speaking, what if somebody who works werally, weally hard like a good little prole and does not live particularly nicely, for whatever reason? The slogan "You can all get rich of you work hard enough is a myth". And why do you assume that people would live in poverty under communism? I guess you are referring to the USSR. Well, as I've said somewhere already today, the USSR was not communist state. It was bureaucratic collectivist ruled by a communist party. However, in Cuba, they have one of the best health care systems in the world. The country has some major political issues, but at least health care is better than it is in the US.



Will you kill theem?

No. Why do you keep asking questions like this? We don't want to kill anybody.


Most people are greedy though. I mean I would love to have power. If I had power I wouldnt give it up. It's natural for humans to want power.

Is it? Then why are most people powerless? Power is what we want (and I say that as a member of the general population). Power to chose our own fates and not have it dictated to by the rich who make money off their backs.


Yes I know what communism is in THEORY, but it doesnt work like it does in theory.

How do you know? The theory I was talking about was Marx's transition from capitalism to socialism and Lenin's idea of the proletarian dictatorship. This is a theory that was misguided, sure, but its failure is not the failure of communism. Communism is, of course, perfectly workable. Communal living has been successful throughout history. I think that I have explained this sufficiently now, so I will not answer the rest of your post which makes similar allusions to the USSR.


And I know that communism in attempted again will be like the Soviet Union.

Don't talk like you "know" what's going to happen. Please. Nobody knows.

[danyboy27]

Seriously, the Commie Club members will rip you apart, forward.

i dont think they will rip him appart, all they will do is make him so angry that he will never come back, and will hate everything that represent social progress forever.

i ask him to talk me in private, so we can work this out peacefully.
he not forced to think like me, i just want to discuss peacefully, and avoid a forum fury, i hate that.

[forward]

Ok I meant if people did not want to live in poverty for their childrens' sake so they used violence against those who wanted to destroy their dreams (the revolutionaries). Cuba's healthcare system is not better than the US. I like the healthcare in the US, because if you have the money you get the treatment immediately, rather than long waiting lists. Also think Cuba has a great medical system? Their facilities are crap. People want power to lead others. Most people want to be on the top. If communism is workable, why did it fail all the times it has been attempted? How come there wasnt been a successful communist state?

[Trystan]

If communism is workable, why did it fail all the times it has been attempted? How come there wasnt been a successful communist state?

Because it was not attempted properly. And "communist state" is an oxymoron.

[danyboy27]

Ok I meant if people did not want to live in poverty for their childrens' sake so they used violence against those who wanted to destroy their dreams (the revolutionaries). Cuba's healthcare system is not better than the US. I like the healthcare in the US, because if you have the money you get the treatment immediately, rather than long waiting lists. Also think Cuba has a great medical system? Their facilities are crap. People want power to lead others. Most people want to be on the top. If communism is workable, why did it fail all the times it has been attempted? How come there wasnt been a successful communist state?


healthcare is free in canada and i never wait.

and we are not communist

[#FF0000]

Ok I meant if people did not want to live in poverty for their childrens' sake so they used violence against those who wanted to destroy their dreams (the revolutionaries).

This same kind of mentality was used by just about EVERY goddamn communist and anarchist revolutionary in history. It's not like Communists don't want people to have things. Jesus.



Cuba's healthcare system is not better than the US. I like the healthcare in the US, because if you have the money you get the treatment immediately, rather than long waiting lists.

And if you don't, then you're completely screwed.

If I get seriously ill, I'm going to be homeless. I just can't pay the med bills and my rent.


Also think Cuba has a great medical system? Their facilities are crap.Wouldn't have anything to do with Cuba being an island with no real industry and an embargo on them, would it?


People want power to lead others. Most people want to be on the top.Sorry. You have all of antrhopology and history against you. Human hunter-gatherer tribes were often completely egalitarian, while others weren't. What this says to me (and to anyone with any sort of sense) is that people only have a natural urge to survive, and how they survive is completely cultural. People are not naturally anything.


If communism is workable, why did it fail all the times it has been attempted? How come there wasnt been a successful communist state?Whether or not a communist state has existed or is in existence is a cheap argument for people who can't argue with real theory.

[forward]

In Canada people die because they might have cancer, but they have to wait to have the tests done, and then if you have to have surgery, it is scheduled in with others. Also, this system means we have to pay for scum drugs addicts and shit. In the US, all tests are done in the one day. Healthcare should be private because it is your responibility only. Actually they are going to make it private in Canada as well. The emabago has nothing to do with Cuba's crappy economy. Dude they can trade with Europe, Australia, etc. the reason why the economy sucks is because it is a planned economy. The economy is controlled, so things wont be produced in corospondence with what the consumers need. Things are just produced, but how do people know what to produce if there is no guideline? Where should the planners spend their energy?

[danyboy27]

In Canada people die because they might have cancer, but they have to wait to have the tests done, and then if you have to have surgery, it is scheduled in with others. Also, this system means we have to pay for scum drugs addicts and shit. In the US, all tests are done in the one day. Healthcare should be private because it is your responibility only. Actually they are going to make it private in Canada as well. The emabago has nothing to do with Cuba's crappy economy. Dude they can trade with Europe, Australia, etc. the reason why the economy sucks is because it is a planned economy. The economy is controlled, so things wont be produced in corospondence with what the consumers need. Things are just produced, but how do people know what to produce if there is no guideline? Where should the planners spend their energy?

you obviously dont know canada at all.
i live there, its working well, waiting period are not that bad, and some minor stuff that can be resolved in private if you have the money or insurance, like cancer test, its privatized.

no healthcare will not be privatized, even the most capitalist of the canadian here believe in the healthcare system.

[OI OI OI]

If a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?

Lenin did not kill innocent people first of all.

Second of all if someone actively fights against the revolution and kills workers or sabotages the revolution in any way he would be tried by the revolutionary government democraticaly controlled by the workers and he would given the appropriate punishment. Thats how it works.
If you kill someone under capitalism and you re caught you go to prison, if you steal someone's private property you go to prison so if you kill a worker during the revolution you get tried. Simple


And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union?

Marx said we would achieve communism after socialism. Socialism has a state(government) which is democraticaly controlled by the workers.
The Soviet Union degenerated for a number of reasons which to recite it would be irrelevant to the topic. Basicaly it was not socialist. Read some basics on the stickies of this section to understand more.


When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way?

The Bolsheviks under Lenin were not a dictatorship over the will of the people. There was democracy as much as the objective conditions permitted.


Perhaps because he wanted to keep the power, because humans are naturally greedy, not the result of capitalism, because of survival of the fittest has always existed and competition before capitalism.

That's BS. Humans are social animals. Greediness is not natural it has only existed for the last 5 000-10 000 years where systems of opression are in place and of course in a bigger extent under capitalism. Do you know that 99% of human existence has been under primitive communism?


When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?

The revolution is not a coup. It is made by the majority and the state in place after it is ruled by the majority democraticaly.

I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges?

No because the revolution is not a coup. It is not the revolutionary party that seizes power but the workers which are the majority of society

Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnot. When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy, while the majority suffers at the hands of your brutal ways, and have a secret police system, kinda like the NKVD, with excessive powers, and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...Wait, how is this better than capitalism?

What you are describing is the degeneration of the Soviet Union obviously exagerated.
The Soviet Union did not degenerate because of the revolutionaries being "greedy" , "thirsty for power " etc.
If you examine the facts better you would see that all the original leaders of the Bolsheviks were either killed or exiled by the bureaucrats who rose to power with Stalin being on their head.
Why was that? Because of the isolation of the revolution and the backwardnes of Russia among many other reasons.

How was that better than capitalism?
the Soviet Union for all it faults had free education, healthcare, 6 hour day, free housing , quality education , employment and a decent life for all.
Certainly better than capitalism who does not offer anything of the above!

[Vendetta]

Also think Cuba has a great medical system? Their facilities are crap.

What do you expect? Cuba's a third-world country. And it still has better facilities than most other third world countries.

[forward]

Most revolutions are bloody. How do you reckon starting a revolution when most are opposed? Most workers dont want communism, they like it better in a country where the economy isn't backwards, or an ideology that isnt backwards. When I think of communism, I think of oppression, I think of secret police, I think of mass poverty, I think of propoganda, I do NOT think of happiness. What I described are the ineivtable. Forget about the communist manifesto. Think about history. How many times has this ideology been tried? How many times has it been successful?

[OI OI OI]

Most revolutions are bloody. How do you reckon starting a revolution when most are opposed?

SIMPLY THERE ARE NO REVOLUTION WHEN MOST ARE OPPOSSED. REVOLUTIONS HAPPEN WHEN MOST OF THE PEOPLE WANT A REVOLUTION. REVOLUTION IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A COUP.



Most workers dont want communism, they like it better in a country where the economy isn't backwards, or an ideology that isnt backwards. When I think of communism, I think of oppression, I think of secret police, I think of mass poverty, I think of propoganda, I do NOT think of happiness. What I described are the ineivtable. Forget about the communist manifesto. Think about history. How many times has this ideology been tried? How many times has it been successful?

You are a complete ignorant. I won't waste my time on you any more. I hope a comrade can afford to waste his time on you because I am fed up.

For your information workers have a socialist conciousnes, They do not want to be opressed by capitalism.

I would go on and on but you are just a useless troll.

I wonder why you are not restricted yet

[forward]

Okay then revolution is futile because most will not want it. I'm pretty sure not all workers are socialist, thats ridicuolous. You all have to start from somewhere, dont complain for wages that are, for the most part, fair.

[Vendetta]

How so?

[forward]

Because people get paid based on skill labour? Wouldn't think paying a janitor as much as a doctor is fair (for example). Wages are based on the demand of a particular position and how much skill the position requires. And the owner of a specific buisness has to pay them less so they can make a profit off of their work, seeing as it is the business owner who created the buisness.

[Gold Against The Soul]

Because people get paid based on skill labour? Wouldn't think paying a janitor as much as a doctor is fair (for example). Wages are based on the demand of a particular position and how much skill the position requires. And the owner of a specific buisness has to pay them less so they can make a profit off of their work, seeing as it is the business owner who created the buisness.

And how useful would the business be without any workers? Yep, that is right, it would be worthless. Workers create the wealth and as you say, the owners profit from their work. They don't do anything useful themselves. This doesn't include counting the money, tax evasion or working out ways to reduce pay and conditions etc.

[Gold Against The Soul]

Ok I meant if people did not want to live in poverty for their childrens' sake so they used violence against those who wanted to destroy their dreams (the revolutionaries). Cuba's healthcare system is not better than the US. I like the healthcare in the US, because if you have the money you get the treatment immediately, rather than long waiting lists. Also think Cuba has a great medical system? Their facilities are crap. People want power to lead others. Most people want to be on the top. If communism is workable, why did it fail all the times it has been attempted? How come there wasnt been a successful communist state?

Paris Commune? That were going pretty well and therefore it was brutually crushed, of course. Although as others have said, communist state is a contradiction in terms. However, Marx did say something along the lines that if you want a hint of what communism looks like, see the Paris Commune.

As for other attempts at Socialism, they were all crushed from the outside or degenerated in one way or another. It was not a case of not working.

That said, what a fucking cheek for a capitalist to go on about something not working! Justify your own disgusting system first. What a joke that the likes of you go on about the number of deaths from 'communism', yet your beloved system has caused the death of far more than any number you wish to name that died under so called 'communism'.

It can't feed everyone, or house them or provide work for them. If you buy can't essentials like food and shelter under capitalism, for the most part outside the tiny parts of the world that have welfare systems (that are in the process of being destroyed by neo-liberalism), you rot. So please stop this crap about it working. Capitalism it is a shambles.

I've question before whether we'll even need violent revolution or at least, an offensive violent revolution, ie a general strike could possibly do the trick. I think much like 1917 Russia - the ruling class will run out of steam and workers will just walk in the vacuum and take over.

[Pogue]

If a communist revolution does indeed take place, would you kill all capitalists or those who are resistant to your ways like Lenin did to gain power (he killed innocent people)?And didn't Marx say there should be no government. Then why was there a government in the Soviet Union? When the Bolsheviks gained power and defeated the Czarist system, why didn't they step down? Isn't that the ideal way? Perhaps because he wanted to keep the power, because humans are naturally greedy, not the result of capitalism, because of survival of the fittest has always existed and competition before capitalism. When you start this revolution, how can people trust that once you establish power that you will giv it all back and have the power in the workers?I mean, once you seize power, wouldn't it be better to kill all opposition and maintain a state of terror that gives your privledges? Oh, wouldn't that be nice, or being in the Party, getting special treatment and whatnot. When you start the revolution, would it be with a vanguard, and anyone experienced revolutionary be in the Party, and then destroy democracy, while the majority suffers at the hands of your brutal ways, and have a secret police system, kinda like the NKVD, with excessive powers, and send all those who dont have blind obideince to the leader to the Gulags...Wait, how is this better than capitalism?

This paragraph was written in the usual aggressive style of the ignorant right wingers. Scum.