Observation of modern society - A few simple questions raise

[Dan Majerle]

I must ask why we live in a world where men economically and socially are not equal? Why is there a huge disparity between the rich and poor? Why do some people ride in bmws whilst other go barefoot? Why are there elections only every 4 years and how does representative democracy constituent power from below and the DIRECT rule of the people over domestic affairs? What right does one person have to own more then another? Why isn't education free for everybody? Why isn't healthcare free for everyone? Why isn't housing free and available to everyone? Why is a baseball player payed half a billion dollars for 10 years to play baseball when 14 million children around the world die from curable diseases that are be purchased with the average baseball players salary? Why are some people hungry, diseased, sick, tired and oppressed? What kind of society allows this savagery to continue? What kind of society do we live in when basic human rights are not met and where the majority are poor and simply the rich, (the absolute and clear minority) rule and possess the most influence? Capitalism has failed us. The alternative is left of the centre...

[PaulDavidHewson]

I must ask why we should live in a world where men econimically and socially should be equal? Why shouldn't there be a slight gap between the rich and the poor to spark everyone to become succesful? why shouldn't my hard work pay off so I can ride a bmw?
Why shouldn't I owe more than another, if I work for it.
Education should be free for everybody, healthcare should be free for everybody. Why Shouldn't I buy a larger house with my hard earned cash. Why should I be my neighbours equal in ALL aspects?
Why does a baseball player own so much, why can't he invest more in the dirt-poor?
Why don't we do more to cure those kids?
This savergy exists because autonomy of the majority of nastions is respected and the people don't rise and rebell. This savagery exist because economically lot of nastions are banckrupt. Why don't we give more funds to the poorest countries and forgive them their debts?
Capitalism hasn't failed us because it never existed just like communism is not a reality anywhere.
The alternative should indeed be centre-left.

[Pete]

I feel stupidified by your questions Paul. Truly stupidified.

[Pete]

Oh ya, I think you'd like the washedout left Kalle Lasn and his Culture Jammers.

[Anonymous]

Equality is bad. So is too much compassion. I think our government needs to become less compassionate and more rational in the future.

[Umoja]

They should stop cracking down on the KKK, that'll really help not to promote equality. I think I need to be lynched, Black, and living in a white suburb?! Hot damn.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, I meant economic equality. Perhaps I should have clarified in my original post.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 11:34 am on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Dan Majerle]

[quote]Quote: from PaulDavidHewson on 3:17 pm on Jan. 24, 2003


I must ask why we should live in a world where men econimically and socially should be equal?

So as to avoid segragation and having a society of have and have nots that createst classes that distinguish people and results in class warfare. Why should we have a society of rich people and poor people? How does that make it fair for everyone. Shouldn't we all have equal opportunity and avoid economic pyramids that cause tension and inequality amongst people?

Why shouldn't there be a slight gap between the rich and the poor to spark everyone to become succesful?

That is nonsense. So you think that if you told all the poor people in Africa that if they worked hard they could be rich, the new few years will show the African continent rising up from its poverty and claiming material and economic rewards? Being poor doesn't always allow for the spark of hard work = being rich. In that case why don't we let all the people die of cancer to promote the struggle and hopefully force more people to want to cure it faster.

why shouldn't my hard work pay off so I can ride a bmw?

Why should you need to ride a bmw when a toyota or any other car serves the same function. Once again i don't disagree with hard work and rewards but in a system where the hardest working people aren't always justifiabley rewarded, a person driving a bmw is a slap in the face to the poor child in south america whose manual labour exceeds this bmw driver but because of unequal opportunity is unable to transform his work into just rewards.

Why shouldn't I owe more than another, if I work for it.

Why be in competition with everybody to see who works the hardest and therefore have the biggest house or poshest car? In socialism, the hard working masses will receive equal benefits from their labour.

Education should be free for everybody, healthcare should be free for everybody.

No gripe there.

Why Shouldn't I buy a larger house with my hard earned cash. Why should I be my neighbours equal in ALL aspects?

Alright taking it too extreme. "ALL aspects"? We are talking economically. We aren't saying you have to dress the same, eat the same and do the same things. Everybody on earth is equal and nobody is better then anybody else. Therefore this notion of equality should manifest itself in ones financial and economic position.

Why does a baseball player own so much, why can't he invest more in the dirt-poor?
Why don't we do more to cure those kids?

Charity is only a short term solution. A band aid approach is a superficial attempt at assistance.

This savergy exists because autonomy of the majority of nastions is respected and the people don't rise and rebell. This savagery exist because economically lot of nastions are banckrupt. Why don't we give more funds to the poorest countries and forgive them their debts?

That would be a band aid solution, much like charity. If we cancelled the latin american debt today, because of the positive gradient of growth, it will once again be a problem in no time. The solution is to change the system, not the produce. Delve into the heart of the problem and that is the machine itself. Capitalism spawns poverty and inequality.

Capitalism hasn't failed us because it never existed just like communism is not a reality anywhere.
The alternative should indeed be centre-left.

(Edited by Dan Majerle at 11:58 am on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Economic equality is the only moral sollution to the worlds problems.

[Stormin Norman]

Why must I live in a world where I must think? Why can't the government assuage this fact? Why can't the government provide me with diapers from my birth until my death? Why is freedom something that must be fought for? Why can't we all just get along? Why must I be burdened with the reality of life? Why?!!! Why?!!! Why, must I cry?!!! Booh Hoo! Sob! Sob!



WHY AM I HERE?

(Edited by James at 10:36 pm on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Stormin Norman]

Look at James. Here he feels the need to abuse his power as moderator, and edit a post that does not belong to him. This goes to show how much disrespect these socialist worms have for other people's work. What a dirtbag!

[canikickit]

So I take it you agree that it was wrong for Dark Capitalist to read private posts in the Commie Club, Norm?

[Anonymous]

Canikickit,

Don't tell me you wouldn't have done the same damn thing if you were in my position.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 5:34 am on Jan. 27, 2003)

[canikickit]

If I was in your position, I'd shoot myself.

[Anonymous]

At least I didn't edit anything. I simply wiewed the posts.

[canikickit]

Yeah, I know, I don't particularily agree with James editing Norm's posts. Not exactly as bad as Norm made out though. If I was in your position, I might very well do the same thing, I don't know. It's still wrong.

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 8:34 pm on Jan. 26, 2003)

[Stormin Norman]

You should post the insults that were thrown my way in the commie club. At least, e-mail them to me.

[antieverything]

WHY AM I HERE?

Presumably to provide comic relief...

[canikickit]

I believe someone called you an "idiot" at one stage, Norm.

[Anonymous]

As memory serves, you were called a dickhead and an asshole on a few occasions.

Some of the threads I remember:

"Storming Moron, Capitalist Dumbass, Dark Jackass" - Started by Communist Chris :smile:

SM - Started by James

Storming Moron - Started by peaccenicked

ireallyhadablackout: so fuckin' annoying - Started by guerrillaradio

BASEMENTADDIX THE COP! - unkown

Ban on the Stalinists - unkown

Mazdak - unkown

Capitalist Imperial - unkown

American Kid - D Day (not too sure though)


In one of the threads peaccenicked made a big deal about him annoying you over something. In another someone remarked that you were "intelligent, unlike CI who only posts about how great America is" but at the same time a "complete dickhead". Other remarks about CI include how much of an "ass" he is as well as saying that all he does is "praise America".

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 6:50 am on Jan. 27, 2003)

[Anonymous]

Quote: from canikickit on 6:06 am on Jan. 27, 2003

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 8:34 pm on Jan. 26, 2003)


Ha ha.

[canikickit]

"intelligent, unlike CI who only posts about how great America is"

ooh! ooh! I think that was me!

[canikickit]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 1:56 am on Jan. 27, 2003

Quote: from canikickit on 6:06 am on Jan. 27, 2003

(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 8:34 pm on Jan. 26, 2003)


Ha ha.




You see Norm? Foreign subversives everywhere!

[Stormin Norman]

What I wouldn't give for the full text of some of these discussions. Ooh! Fracken Racken, Gol Darn Sons of *****s!

[James]

I added extra stuff.

"why am i here"
Hardly tampering with SM's master piece...

[Moskitto]

people should definitely be socially equal and there should be the oppertunity to be economically equal, but at the same time a disabled person who does a 16 mile post round everyday, works 9-5 in the office then goes to an athletics club shouldn't really have a same rewards as some abled bodied guy who sits on his ass watching tv and sleeping 24/7

[PaulDavidHewson]

So as to avoid segragation and having a society of have and have nots that createst classes that distinguish people and results in class warfare. Why should we have a society of rich people and poor people? How does that make it fair for everyone. Shouldn't we all have equal opportunity and avoid economic pyramids that cause tension and inequality amongst people?

You are putting words in my mouth, I never said that that there should be the rich and the poor. We can close the gap a bit more, but I don't believe in equalising all economic aspects.



nonsense. So you think that if you told all the poor people in Africa that if they worked hard they could be rich, the new few years will show the African continent rising up from its poverty and claiming material and economic rewards? Being poor doesn't always allow for the spark of hard work = being rich. In that case why don't we let all the people die of cancer to promote the struggle and hopefully force more people to want to cure it faster.

It has been proven tgroughout the ages that competetion drives people to get the best out of themselves. Reward ingenius ideas, reward hard working, reward the people who study all their lives to become a laywer or whatever. If someone has acces to education there can be no excuse to not get a higher up job at one time or another(yes there are always exception with people who suffer personal tragedy, etc)
In almost all cases in the US and europe people who don't get a good education suffer from lack of motivation, conflicting interests or their IQ is too low.



Why should you need to ride a bmw when a toyota or any other car serves the same function. Once again i don't disagree with hard work and rewards but in a system where the hardest working people aren't always justifiabley rewarded, a person driving a bmw is a slap in the face to the poor child in south america whose manual labour exceeds this bmw driver but because of unequal opportunity is unable to transform his work into just rewards.


I live therefor I have personal taste, If I choose to ride a bmw that golly jee I shall ride one. Why? Because I want to, because I worked damned hard for it. And believe me, when the time comes that I can afford a nice bmw you can bet your ass that I worked hard for it.
As for that child in Africa. We should help that child, we should educate it, we should improve the living standards. And If I still have the money to buy my bmw even after paying my bills and donating funds to the third world, etc Then I feel it's my right to buy a little comfort for myself and enjoy the precious little time my sorry ass has on this earth.


Why be in competition with everybody to see who works the hardest and therefore have the biggest house or poshest car? In socialism, the hard working masses will receive equal benefits from their labour.

Equality will never drive people to get the best from themselves, what's the use if you can't make more of yourself and buy those extra luxeries?
If I perform a job that utilizes my own skills that very few people possed than I'm in the position to ask more.
And you'll never hear me complain about taxing those with higer wages, but I do believe a slight gap between poor and rich should exist.


Alright taking it too extreme. "ALL aspects"? We are talking economically. We aren't saying you have to dress the same, eat the same and do the same things. Everybody on earth is equal and nobody is better then anybody else. Therefore this notion of equality should manifest itself in ones financial and economic position.

non sequitar. People are different, that is the great thing about it all. I can never be as good in boxing as Mohammed Ali, because my fysique isn't like his. But on the other hand he'll probably never be able to perform the job that I will be doing.


As for the rest, I'm for the notion to forgive all the debts some dirt poor countries have. I believe the western expertise can make those countries prosper if we want to. We should forgive their debts and help them rebuilt, but first the people in those countries must work out some domestic problems of their own. We(the western world) should not go in to these countries and overthrow their goverments and install new ones. That they must to on their own first.

My post was written a bit quick, very little time to reply, I'm sure you'll find some stuff to reply on, I would to if I were to read it again.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Why doesn't someone cut and paste the full extent of the text that seeks to undermine my credibility?

I make no apologies for my Pro-America/Pro-Capitalist stance, and my patriotism is hardly indicative of a lack of intelligence. It is a merely indicative of the left's vehement disagreement with my stance and the principles I adhere too. I can tell for the most part by prose alone that I am more inteligent than most on this entire board.

Besides, ad-hominem attacks don't bother me, they merely illustrate the left's frustration with my lack of apologism for America and what it stands for.

Long live capitalism

Long live free-enterprise

Long live America