proud to be an american

[Goldfinger]

I am proud to be an american
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part of a great democracy
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where our equal rights are for everyone
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thanks to justice and liberty
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with our 50 wonderful united states
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we're more powerful than ever today
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I'm proud to be an american
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and to live in the USA
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(Edited by Apocalypse When at 6:54 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)


(Edited by Apocalypse When at 8:15 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)

[Bored of Education]

http://www.aberdeen-music.com/forums/images/smilies/laugh.gif

(Edited by Bored of Education at 12:31 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)

[chamo]

so funny and yet so true

[Comrade Daniel]

:)

[Smoking Frog II]

I just have a thing to say. Americans may be proud, buit they have a short history compared to us brits.

[Goldfinger]

or the star trek enterprise, for that matter

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Smoking Frog II on 5:54 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
I just have a thing to say. Americans may be proud, buit they have a short history compared to us brits.


and we've done more in the last 200 years than the UK has done in 1000

[Capitalist Imperial]

Apocolypse When is a litte angry because Norway is an insignificant nation.

[Goldfinger]

Norway isn't that much better, really. But a bit.

[Tkinter1]

What were you trying to gain from this AW?

I don't get the hick
I don't get the foreign police
I dont get the movers
I don't get the old map
I don't get the sheep

What was the point of this post?

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 9:08 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)

[Anonymous]

CI: you are a living joke, everytime someone insultys or criticises your country you say he just does taht becasue his country isnt has dictatorial and imperialistic as yours.....
see not all of us are stupid nationalists...
unlike capitalists....

[Bored of Education]

I agree with ta. Calm the fuck down Capitalist.. it was just a joke.

[James]

"and we've done more in the last 200 years than the UK has done in 1000"

erm CI, i think the argument has swept you away... think before you speak. please?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 9:19 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
"and we've done more in the last 200 years than the UK has done in 1000"

erm CI, i think the argument has swept you away... think before you speak. please?

If you would actually think, james, you would concede that it is true.

[Goldfinger]

man, the US doesn't even have a culture of it's own. you're only bragging about how powerful and murderous the US is. The majority of th eworld isn't impressed.

[Bored of Education]

While what CI said about doing more in the last 200 years is more than the UK has done in 1,000 isn't entirely true, it's pretty close. It's amazing this country went from absolutely nothing but trees, teepees, and various Indian tribes to what it is today. Still that doesn't mean we've achieved more than the UK has in 1,000 years.

And it's more closer to 300 years now, O my brothers. The original colonists came in the mid-1700s.

(Edited by Bored of Education at 4:46 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)

[James]

erm no; why? because thats bullshit. Honestly CI ::)

[canikickit]

and we've done more in the last 200 years than the UK has done in 1000

Whether or not the US has "achieved more" in the last two hundred years than the UK in a thousand is of no consequence.
The rate of progress over the last century has obviously increased greatly. I think only people with self esteem issues would bring up such ridiculous comparisons.

[Bored of Education]

Yeah that is pretty odd to bring up a comparison such as that at the most random of times.

[Anonymous]

if capitalism, imperialism, consumism, new repressive technics, pseudo-capitalism, and pure anti-communist education is a achievement, then congrats......

[Blibblob]

The US has done a lot of evil, but it has done a lot of good. If we didnt come save Europe's ass in the middle of WW2, youd all be under Hitler.

Even though the only reason we came was cause we were bomed, and our pride hurt.

[Tkinter1]

"man, the US doesn't even have a culture of it's own."

Are you kidding me?

[Domitian]

Quote: from Blibblob on 10:21 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
The US has done a lot of evil, but it has done a lot of good. If we didnt come save Europe's ass in the middle of WW2, youd all be under Hitler.

Even though the only reason we came was cause we were bomed, and our pride hurt.


Europe's ass was saved by the Soviet Union. If it wasn't there to distract the Nazis the Allies would have never been able to beat them.

May I also remind you it was the Soviets who captured Berlin.

[Anonymous]

good lord...

THE AXIS WERE BEATED BY THE ALLIES!

Not by america, notby russia,not by marcians, by the allies, by the british, soviets, france resitance, america, along with guerrillas such as the yugoslavian guerrialla, and the chinese guerrilla...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 9:33 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
man, the US doesn't even have a culture of it's own. you're only bragging about how powerful and murderous the US is. The majority of th eworld isn't impressed.


Hollywood

rock and roll

MTV

jazz

blues

blue jeans

hip hop

television

the internet

not only do we have a distinct culture, but our culture is the most predominant and influential culture of the 20th and so far the 21st century


(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 10:52 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)

[Bored of Education]

Yes the US does have a culture of its own O my brother. :)

MTV
Ew fucking Christ! MTV isn't a culture, it's a lame piece of television trash.

(Edited by Bored of Education at 5:54 pm on Jan. 20, 2003)

[Blibblob]

MTV doesnt play music anymore.

And before the US came in, remember, your asses were getting kicked. But as soon as we were there, it was a team effort, not just one front won the war, it took many. Our reason for joining the war was stupid, and we should have been there earlier, but we were selfish and did it only for revenge. We have our faults, and right now, many of them, but so does every other country in the world. Insulting the US at every chance isnt going to change anything, but neither is defending it with useless reasons, for useless things.

It took a team effort during WW2, and it will take a team effort to bring down the capitalists, and install peace throughout the world.

[Hampton]

rock and roll
jazz
blues
hip hop

All created by people who are still not equal today.

God bless America

[Blibblob]

And anyways, no one is equal. You are superior to me, and i am superior to you.

[Domitian]

Quote: from the anarchist on 10:47 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
good lord...

THE AXIS WERE BEATED BY THE ALLIES!

Not by america, notby russia,not by marcians, by the allies, by the british, soviets, france resitance, america, along with guerrillas such as the yugoslavian guerrialla, and the chinese guerrilla...


I think we are talking about which member of the ally contributed the most. I say the Soviets did.

[Bored of Education]

The US put in a shitload also. And since we sent so many men off to the "Great War" as it's called women took up positions held previously by men and men only. I think this was, perhaps, a great moment for women equality here in the states. Most of the sexist ignorance was therefore abolished, and continued to be knocked down over the passed 60 years since then, which is always a good thing.

[sin miedo]

It's pointless to argue about who contributed more when everyone contributed to win the war against the fascists together.

[Bored of Education]

Sin miedo speaks truth. Nice call my friend.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 10:01 pm on Jan. 20, 2003
What were you trying to gain from this AW?

I don't get the hick (that was just a joke, the picture's taken from a redneck competition thing)
I don't get the foreign police (it's to show what happens if you try to express how you feel trough demonstrating)
I dont get the movers (it's a homeless person, at least that was what I searched for)
I don't get the old map (of course you don't, history doesn't matter to you)
I don't get the sheep (comformity, assimilation, stuff like that)

What was the point of this post?

it was a very true joke.

(Edited by Apocalypse When at 8:56 am on Jan. 21, 2003)

[Weatherman]

A very funny and true joke Apocalypse When. Regarding the history of the U.S., I dont think we have much to be proud of and heres why. "Lies My Teacher Told Me" was a book written by the professor of sociology at the University of Vermon James Loewen. After years of research and cooperation from other professors on the national level he wrote this book examining 12 major U.S. history books used in High School. Turns out its mostly lies and distortions. Some of the technological adavancements we made were lies, and others that we didnt were ofcourse not mentioned. The indians were far more advanced socially and agriculturally than us. We were a barbaric war like people, and the only thing we had more advanced was our weapons, which I consider to be a bad thing. The indians could have beaten us if they were more savage and more willing to kill. 94% of the indians were dead before they decided to start fighting back. This figure may seem steep but if you read the book you would understand that there entire way of thinking was so far differant from ours( and better). Hundreds of Indians commited mass suicide at the sight of the white men coming; not because they couldnt fight them, but because they were so against killing. Columbus was a murdering rapist, and he didnt discover America. He even wrote in his journals that 10-12 year old indians were his favorite to rape. Thanksgiving never happened. History has been re-written by the oppresors. There is so much more lies, but you should just read the book, I dont want to go on forever. And as far as the "other countries are evil too" argument, with some research you'll come to find that we are responsible for those other countries governments. We control nearly all of south america, and some of the middle east. Our allies (the other rich people in Europe) control Australia, Canada, and Some of Africa. The whole world is being controlled by capitalist. The third world exist for slave labor. The capitalist made it that way, and they keep it that way with the policies of the World Bank (that the rich control, the same rich who own the government and the corporations). If I going on any further you wouldnt read it so, until we meet again.

[Geddan]

You forgot some serious shit about US culture, CI:

The McDonald's fattie culture

People starve in the 3rd world while the McDonaldized countries die of being fat.

[Tkinter1]

"All created by people who are still not equal today.

God bless America"

It's still American culture...And the rights of minorities have improved drastically(and continue to).

[Hampton]

Is that why blacks contribute about half of all prison inmates when they are only 13 percent of the U.S. population? Progress for sure.

[Stormin Norman]

Is that why blacks contribute about half of all prison inmates when they are only 13 percent of the U.S. population? Progress for sure.

Have you stopped to consider the fact that they commit crimes in a disproportionate amount with respect to the American demographic? What do you propose, setting up a quota system that would make it impossible to prosecute crimes unless the demographic were represented in proportion to their percentage of the population? Now, that would be unjust.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Domitian on 12:56 am on Jan. 21, 2003


I think we are talking about which member of the ally contributed the most. I say the Soviets did.


Oh, come on!

The Soviets merely defended their land, and much of their equipment came from the US through the lend-lease program anyway.

America actually led D-day! We liberated land already occupied by the Nazis, a much harder task.

Not only that, but we fought in the pacific almost alone!!! Were were the soviets in the pacific? How can you say they did more, when we fought in 2 theatres, and they only fought in one, much of it with our equipment?

America was the only nation to fully committ to 2 full theatres!!!

I am not afraid to say that the US did much more to win WWII than the Soviets, though I appreciate their contribution

[CBC]

i'd be prud to be an american to. NOT...

[Domitian]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:17 pm on Jan. 21, 2003

Quote: from Domitian on 12:56 am on Jan. 21, 2003


I think we are talking about which member of the ally contributed the most. I say the Soviets did.


Oh, come on!

The Soviets merely defended their land, and much of their equipment came from the US through the lend-lease program anyway.

America actually led D-day! We liberated land already occupied by the Nazis, a much harder task.

Not only that, but we fought in the pacific almost alone!!! Were were the soviets in the pacific? How can you say they did more, when we fought in 2 theatres, and they only fought in one, much of it with our equipment?

America was the only nation to fully committ to 2 full theatres!!!

I am not afraid to say that the US did much more to win WWII than the Soviets, though I appreciate their contribution


The Soviet liberated occupied Eastern Europe, and Stalingrad was the largest land battle ever fought (if not the largest battle ever), Two million Red Army troops tanks and jets vs millions of German troops.

The Soviets fought the Japanese in northern China later on. So they did fight on two fronts. If you are going to blame them for coming in late, where were the Americans when Germany invaded Poland? Where were the Americans when the Third Reich invaded France? It wasn't until Britian was blasted to pieces did the US join.

Although they did get weapons from the US. Comparing the casaulites the Soviet Union lost much more than the US, they contributed more men power. Unless you can somehow prove to me that during the course of the war the US had more than 13 million troops. I'm siding with the Soviets.

(Edited by Domitian at 9:56 pm on Jan. 21, 2003)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Domitian on 12:56 am on Jan. 21, 2003


I think we are talking about which member of the ally contributed the most. I say the Soviets did.


Oh, come on!

The Soviets merely defended their land, and much of their equipment came from the US through the lend-lease program anyway.

America actually led D-day! We liberated land already occupied by the Nazis, a much harder task.

Not only that, but we fought in the pacific almost alone!!! Were were the soviets in the pacific? How can you say they did more, when we fought in 2 theatres, and they only fought in one, much of it with our equipment?

America was the only nation to fully committ to 2 full theatres!!!

I am not afraid to say that the US did much more to win WWII than the Soviets, though I appreciate their contribution

[Hampton]

I propose that you look into why blacks are thought of committing the most crimes. Is it the poor areas where they live due mostly to poverty. And when you're poor you know what kind of public defender you get, one that falls asleep in the court or never shows up. Ever think of racist judges or having a jury that isn’t made up of your peers? No never, not in America.

So what can you do for money? Get a job that give you 5.15 a hour or would you go out and sell drugs and make double or triple that in a day what you would make in a week, and it's no doubt that whites are just as much, if not more?

So then why don't get arrested more? Simple because the police are a permanent presence in the black community and it would be easier to land them in jail than some upper class white kid.

Not to mention that when they do go to jail the programs that prisoners used to be able to take advantage of and get an education and to get a degree so that they could come out educated and hopefully able to get a good job. But now that most of those programs have been eliminated an inmate who went in and could not read and with no education above the 9th grade will stay that way. And with trying to get jobs on the outside, once you check that box that says you have been convicted of a felon, chances are, you not going to get that job. So you end up out of jail with the same education and no chance to get a job, with no job you can’t afford rent and you start to rob or sling the rock..

The loss of voting rights nationwide highlights the eroding political power base of blacks, and calls into question the notion of democracy in America. 30 percent to 40 percent of the next generation of black men will permanently lose the right to vote if current trends continue.

[Bored of Education]

Righty right Hampton. Your conviction will follow you everywhere and be plastered over everything. :(

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Hampton on 10:51 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
I propose that you look into why blacks are thought of committing the most crimes. Is it the poor areas where they live due mostly to poverty. And when you're poor you know what kind of public defender you get, one that falls asleep in the court or never shows up. Ever think of racist judges or having a jury that isn t made up of your peers? No never, not in America.

So what can you do for money? Get a job that give you 5.15 a hour or would you go out and sell drugs and make double or triple that in a day what you would make in a week, and it's no doubt that whites are just as much, if not more?

So then why don't get arrested more? Simple because the police are a permanent presence in the black community and it would be easier to land them in jail than some upper class white kid.

Not to mention that when they do go to jail the programs that prisoners used to be able to take advantage of and get an education and to get a degree so that they could come out educated and hopefully able to get a good job. But now that most of those programs have been eliminated an inmate who went in and could not read and with no education above the 9th grade will stay that way. And with trying to get jobs on the outside, once you check that box that says you have been convicted of a felon, chances are, you not going to get that job. So you end up out of jail with the same education and no chance to get a job, with no job you can t afford rent and you start to rob or sling the rock..

The loss of voting rights nationwide highlights the eroding political power base of blacks, and calls into question the notion of democracy in America. 30 percent to 40 percent of the next generation of black men will permanently lose the right to vote if current trends continue.


You are merely a criminal apologist.

[Aleksander Nordby]

Quote: from Domitian on 9:55 pm on Jan. 21, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 9:17 pm on Jan. 21, 2003

Quote: from Domitian on 12:56 am on Jan. 21, 2003


I think we are talking about which member of the ally contributed the most. I say the Soviets did.


Oh, come on!

The Soviets merely defended their land, and much of their equipment came from the US through the lend-lease program anyway.

America actually led D-day! We liberated land already occupied by the Nazis, a much harder task.

Not only that, but we fought in the pacific almost alone!!! Were were the soviets in the pacific? How can you say they did more, when we fought in 2 theatres, and they only fought in one, much of it with our equipment?

America was the only nation to fully committ to 2 full theatres!!!

I am not afraid to say that the US did much more to win WWII than the Soviets, though I appreciate their contribution


The Soviet liberated occupied Eastern Europe, and Stalingrad was the largest land battle ever fought (if not the largest battle ever), Two million Red Army troops tanks and jets vs millions of German troops.

The Soviets fought the Japanese in northern China later on. So they did fight on two fronts. If you are going to blame them for coming in late, where were the Americans when Germany invaded Poland? Where were the Americans when the Third Reich invaded France? It wasn't until Britian was blasted to pieces did the US join.

Although they did get weapons from the US. Comparing the casaulites the Soviet Union lost much more than the US, they contributed more men power. Unless you can somehow prove to me that during the course of the war the US had more than 13 million troops. I'm siding with the Soviets.

(Edited by Domitian at 9:56 pm on Jan. 21, 2003)


The U$A Joined against the axis when the japanees attackt the pearl harbor.

[Hampton]

You are merely a criminal apologist.

And you are merely an apologist for the capitalist system.

[Blibblob]

Come on, commies, we cant make friends with the capitalists, we are on the other side of the economic line. We disagree with almost everything they say, there wont be peace, so lets not have the insults and stick with DEBATE, not fucking arguing.

[Anonymous]

I think its funny how you leftists criticize the U.S. for not involving itself in WWII earlier, yet at the same time you ***** about the possibility of a preemptive strike on Iraq.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Hampton on 9:32 pm on Jan. 22, 2003

You are merely a criminal apologist.

And you are merely an apologist for the capitalist system.


The capitalist system does not warrant an apology in the 1st place. It is beneficial to society, unlike crime.

[Blibblob]

Hey, now that you think about it, it is funny.

They have nothing in common!

The US has something to gain in the war against Iraq, they had everything to loose in WWII. Lets see, an occupation in Iraq after the war gets us LOTS of money in oil, enough to pay for rebuilding Iraq, paying for our war, and more for PROFIT. And with WWII, lets loose lives, money, and then not be able to get it back, pay more to rebuild Germany, and they wont be able to pay us back, they were broke beforehand, and will be double broke after.

As you can see, THEY HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON, pay attention. And pay the government.

[Blibblob]

The capitalists should feel like they have something to appologize about. While the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer, the government sits on the side yanking in profits, and sending a little bit of it back out to pay for some social security (not enough), and for stupid projects, like why people slip in the shower (that actually was an experement somebody got a grant from the government to do, and the one to guess the number of little balls in a big jar, and then count them).

They send people to the poor house not only in their country, but in the other countries where they hire people and stick them in sweatshops.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Blibblob on 10:16 pm on Jan. 22, 2003
The capitalists should feel like they have something to appologize about. While the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer, the government sits on the side yanking in profits, and sending a little bit of it back out to pay for some social security (not enough), and for stupid projects, like why people slip in the shower (that actually was an experement somebody got a grant from the government to do, and the one to guess the number of little balls in a big jar, and then count them).

They send people to the poor house not only in their country, but in the other countries where they hire people and stick them in sweatshops.

Those american factories provide better compensation than indigeonous work. Locals flock to theose jobs. American factories abroad improve local economies. So how can you criticize them if they are providing a net improvement?

[Blibblob]

LOL, improving the local economy!!!!

The sweatshops supposidly go against EVERYTHING the US stands for. So of course they must set them up in other countries. The job may pay a little bit more, but the work they have to do for that!!! They sit there, when instead they could be getting an education, thats another thing the US was supposed to help with too isnt it, helping other countries get their school systems improved. We here in the US get one of THE WORST educations out of the entire world, i cant remember the exact number from the bottom we are, but its not a lot.

Would you like to work in a sweatshop?

[MEXCAN]

HOW AMERICAN CAPITALISM HELPED THE NAZIS !!!!
http://www.guerrillanews.com/images/video/ibm/ibm_title.jpg
i would be proud to be american too !!!

(Edited by MEXCAN at 11:11 pm on Jan. 22, 2003)

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 2:59 pm on Jan. 22, 2003

Those american factories provide better compensation than indigeonous work. Locals flock to theose jobs. American factories abroad improve local economies. So how can you criticize them if they are providing a net improvement?


Although the pay may be better, the conditions are nothing to brag about. i saw a video last night about Maquila Mexico the the conditions of work there. you can find the beginnings of working unions to fight against the working conditions. they are FORCED to work overtime, most, if not all, of the time without overtime pay. they are forced to work hours that were fought against by the early labor movement in the US. And please, do not say that this is only propaganda; a student in the room last night spoke up about her personal visit to a jewelry shop in Maquila this past summer, and the inhuman conditions she saw, and she confirmed everything in the video, as well as telling us about the buildings they had to work in: things that were falling apart, looking like they were abandonded, and many other things.

and beyond this, you have to look at the urbanization of this. plenty of the people working in these places come from rural areas, and do not have to worry about the ills of the city when in the country. they now have to worry about violence (serial killings of hundreds of women in Maquila) and other things.

have you ever read The Grapes of Wrath? i couldnt help but think of that book as i watched the movie last night. the section that ran parallel to The Grapes of Wrath was that their is an over abundance of supply for work, so if any worker is sick for a day, or does not want to sign a petition showing how happy the workers are, the company can terminate their work and hire somebody else with ease. when you read the Grapes of Wrath, you can see the horrid conditions people will work under if somebody else is ready to replace them.

concerning the petition the companies almost force their employees to sign: they are papers showing that the labor force within the particular company are happy, and like their work. in the movie, they interviewed a lady that hasnt signed the paper twice, and how both times she has been taken to the manager in her workplace, and is now being threatend with losing her job if she does not sign the next one.

personally, i do not see this as something to be thankful for.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Blibblob on 11:05 pm on Jan. 22, 2003
LOL, improving the local economy!!!!

The sweatshops supposidly go against EVERYTHING the US stands for. So of course they must set them up in other countries. The job may pay a little bit more, but the work they have to do for that!!! They sit there, when instead they could be getting an education, thats another thing the US was supposed to help with too isnt it, helping other countries get their school systems improved. We here in the US get one of THE WORST educations out of the entire world, i cant remember the exact number from the bottom we are, but its not a lot.

Would you like to work in a sweatshop?


Probalbly not, as I am accustomed to more. However, if I was a local, i probably would like to work in an american factory abroad, because it would be a net improvement over local conditions.

again I ask, How can you criticize something that:

#1) the individual is free to leave from

#2) provides a net improvement to the regional economy

you can't

[Blibblob]

Dude, you are just, ack, ugh, must not go crazy, ack, AHHHHHH!!!!!

Im done arguing with you, i think its time to debate with worthy advesaries.


I CANT FUCKING SPELL AND I DONT FUCKING CARE!!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Blibblob on 11:54 pm on Jan. 22, 2003
Dude, you are just, ack, ugh, must not go crazy, ack, AHHHHHH!!!!!

Im done arguing with you, i think its time to debate with worthy advesaries.


I CANT FUCKING SPELL AND I DONT FUCKING CARE!!

Translation: You are right CI, I can't legitimately argue that point.

[abstractmentality]

CI: i like it how you simply glaze over my post, and say nothing to it whatsoever.

"How can you criticize something that:
#1) the individual is free to leave from
#2) provides a net improvement to the regional economy" - CI

From #1, i can see that you also thought that the freedom to leave, during the migration of the depression from such places as the dust bowl into other areas, their jobs as well. is that correct? because if so, then they have a choice: stay in horrid working conditions that are now outlawed in the US, or leave in your "freedom" and go to the next work place of horrific conditions (i left out of the equation leaving and simplying dying because you dont want to be in those working conditions). as another thought to this, during the industrializing of England in the early 1800's, the average life span of a person was drastically reduced because of the urbanization and the effects that has on the people. can, and will this be seen in mexico? i think we will see the conclusion from this soon.

to question number 2, globalization is just as hot an issue as almost anything in academia. as far as the regional economy is concerned, it may "better" it the regional economy, but it also weakens the rural indigenous farmers.

also, you must remember that during the mexican revolution, the indigenous farmers were guaranteed in their constitution the right to lands for farming and what not. the multination corporations, through NAFTA, are helping to disable this right, and essentially re-writing the constitution.

[truthaddict11]

tinker1 "I don't get the old map"
suggest you read the map again.

looks like the white robes of the biggest 3 capitalists here are starting to show...