REVOLUTION

[Blibblob]

To all Americans, it says in the constitution that we have a right to revolt and change the government. But it doesnt say that the government cant try and stop us, what are we to do. Time to start collecting illegal weapons now, we might need them.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Blibblob on 1:51 am on Jan. 19, 2003
To all Americans, it says in the constitution that we have a right to revolt and change the government. But it doesnt say that the government cant try and stop us, what are we to do. Time to start collecting illegal weapons now, we might need them.

LOL, you are a fucking joke.

What most of you leftists don't seem to understand is that for there to be a true revolution, you have to have popular support.

You don't have popular support.

You are a very, very, very small and misguided minority, basically a statistical outlier. The vast majority of Americans realize that things are not perfect, but they do not desire change of the type nor magnitude that you propose. Besides, what would your revolution be for? Censorship? Socialism? A dictatorial communist regime? Give me a fucking break.

Besides, if you start collecting illegal weapons, anything on the black market that you get above small-arms will most likely be of soviet or chinese make, thus grossly inferior to western, particularly American, weaponry.

You would be outmanned and outgunned, a well as out-idelogued.

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 8:10 am on Jan. 19, 2003

Quote: from Blibblob on 1:51 am on Jan. 19, 2003
To all Americans, it says in the constitution that we have a right to revolt and change the government. But it doesnt say that the government cant try and stop us, what are we to do. Time to start collecting illegal weapons now, we might need them.

LOL, you are a fucking joke.

What most of you leftists don't seem to understand is that for there to be a true revolution, you have to have popular support.

You don't have popular support.

You are a very, very, very small and misguided minority, basically a statistical outlier. The vast majority of Americans realize that things are not perfect, but they do not desire change of the type nor magnitude that you propose. Besides, what would your revolution be for? Censorship? Socialism? A dictatorial communist regime? Give me a fucking break.

Besides, if you start collecting illegal weapons, anything on the black market that you get above small-arms will most likely be of soviet or chinese make, thus grossly inferior to western, particularly American, weaponry.

You would be outmanned and outgunned, a well as out-idelogued.

I would have to agree with the capitalist imperial all the way on this one as much as it hurts me to say.

regulated capitalism has provided americans with stability. We have to come to terms with the fact that Americans do not want change. And besides, the constitution says that we can change our government if it has wronged us, not because you think it would be fun. You have to have very logical reasons to revolt which we honestly don't have. We have free media, freedom of speech, unless you consider consequences as an infringement on your freedoms.

In the American revolution, when we created our declaration of independence, we gave our definition of what a government do for its people. We then provided 23 or so very logical reasons as to how King George III had wronged us and violated the terms of how a government should serve its people. Unless you can come up with more reasons than that, you can fight your "revolution" on your own.

As much as it hurts me to say this, I would also have to agree with capitalistimperial on that fact that even if you did try to start a revolution, do you think that there is a chance in hell that you would possibly succeed. The military would crush you.

the only things I would like to point out to Mr. Imperial is that communists will not stand for you to stereotyping all communists as having a desire for a stalinist dictatorial regime. And we may be a very very small minority in America, but we are far from misguided. The last time I checked, I never saw anything misguided about supporting the rights of the working class. The communists are only a minority in America. they remain a minority because people are afraid. they are afraid of change, whether it be for the better or the worse. Americans cannot accept what would happen to them if they lost their precious precious capitalist system. Americans don't concern themselves with the lives of others, they are only considerate of their own personal wealth and comfort.

[synthesis]

Our victory will be democratic, not revolutionary.

...my position, anyways.

[Blibblob]

Hey, i agree with CI also, it was a damn joke, look at the civil war, what do you think would happen.

[commie kg]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 1:55 am on Jan. 19, 2003
Our victory will be democratic, not revolutionary.

...my position, anyways.


That's what I think too...
The only way we can be victorious is to educate the people about Socialism, and let them make their choice.

(Edited by commie kg at 8:03 am on Jan. 19, 2003)

[man in the red suit]

Quote: from Blibblob on 1:11 pm on Jan. 19, 2003
Hey, i agree with CI also, it was a damn joke, look at the civil war, what do you think would happen.


uh.....good joke..... :biggrin:

[MiNdGaMe]

Revolution is rather construction then destruction, before you take up arms, you must first arm your mind.

[Bored of Education]

Pennywise kicks ass MiNdGaMe http://www.aberdeen-music.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

And yes during the Revolutionary War times there was that little thing called Shay's Rebellion. They invaded an armory and got all these weapons then tried to attack places, and eventually they got fucked.

[Mazdak]

LOL, the colonists had very few reasons to revolt. In effect their cause was barely justifiable. The British were right, and it is that simple. Taxation without representation occurs today. If you aren't 18, you cant vote, yet you can work and be taxed. Isnt that one of the main reasons the revolutionary war was fought?

Other reasons besides this were mostly unjustified.

[Bored of Education]

I never know what you're talking about Mazdak. http://www.aberdeen-music.com/forums/images/smilies/eek.gif

[Smoking Frog II]

hier hier. das rauchen frosch esse soup.

[Iepilei]

revolution is the ultimate course of democracy. it literally puts the people on the same level as the government.

however, I'm afraid that America will not see a direct communistic revolution - it's change will come from the influence of it's former labour-states.

[lifetrnal]

The fact is, unfortunately, we should be working towards a revolution in the United States. A revolution of though and mind, as well as a change in government. We live in the belly of the beast, and unless we can convince people here, change things here, then the movement is doomed everywhere. I do not think we are doomed.

[Domitian]

Why a revolution?

Shouldn't we try to change things peacefully first?

[Anonymous]

no......

the time for peasefull resolutions has ended.....

its time to fight the power....

[Domitian]

the time has ended?

When did it start?

[Umoja]

Word, violence only leads to violence.

Straight up agape, love your enemy no matter what. Even if they spit on you, kick you, hate your family, rape your sibilings, you still have to love them unconditionally.

Violent Revolution isn't about positive change, it's about getting what you want by whatever means neccessary.

[Domitian]

What would happen if 30 years later China became the superpower of the world?

Would US proprganda be lightened and give the world a new chance for socialism?

[Eastside Revolt]

Quote: from the anarchist on 11:33 pm on Jan. 21, 2003
no......

the time for peasefull resolutions has ended.....

its time to fight the power....


Why can't you fight the power peacefully like: Martin Luther King, Ghandi? Or even through art and popular culture? Why violence?

[Domitian]

That's the kind of peace, I was talking about.

RedCanada? Are you a member of the Canadian Communist Party? If so could you tell me how to join?

[Eastside Revolt]

Quote: from Domitian on 4:12 am on Jan. 22, 2003
That's the kind of peace, I was talking about.

RedCanada? Are you a member of the Canadian Communist Party? If so could you tell me how to join?

I was *****ing at the anarchist

[kylie]

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[Blibblob]

Yes, very simple things. To change an entire government around, using their rules? That is an imposible task. Its their rules, when you were in like elementery school and made up a game with your own rules, how many times did you break them, or change them mid game. The same will happen if we try and change it our way peacefully, they will fight back, most likely not peacefully, at our peaceful demonstrations.

We cant get anywhere peacefully, history has told us that. But we cant just have a straight out war. There needs to be two sides to it, make friends with already established countries, and with the people through diplomacy. It is a war to be fought on all grounds, the battlefield of death, and the battlefield of humiliation.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Domitian on 3:12 am on Jan. 22, 2003
What would happen if 30 years later China became the superpower of the world?



Then you probably all would have been imprisoned or executed for dissidence by now.

[Anonymous]

god this hippie fashioned type of revolution is so naive...

i used to be a great apologist of thistype of revolution, we had one of those revolutions here, and now look at this shit, neo-liberalism at its best, peacefull revolutions are sponsored by the burguase...

you dont imagine how easily the proletariat was once morekept in silence after the peacefully revolution of 74, the burguase had all the power to unite andrunfor power...

how do you expect to instaure the dictaturhip of the proletariat if you dont reconize the right of protection to the proletariat?

i would love to see you making all those ghandi style revolutions in a fascist state, i really do....

[Umoja]

If enough people were doing a Ghandi style revolution, then who would fight them? What could the facist do? Kill a huge percent of their population? What would they gain? They can only kill you once, but you can eternally be right.

[Weatherman]

A Ghandi style revolution couldnt happen because it could never gain any momentum. What are you going to do, hand out fliers? They control the mass media and they will lie about everything you do or dont do. If you are still a threat they will just kill you. History has proven this time and again. Armed Revolution is the only way, but I agree you must have your morals and you must show people that you are doing it for them. I say a war with guns, and with words.

[Anonymous]

ghandi style revolution is not meant to be a socialist revolution, it is a nationalist revolutiuon, it was meant to replace british domain by local indian domain.... the people benefited very few from that... after the revolution, instead of british burguase/imperial control there was indian nobel/burguase control.... not socialism... the pathetic athempt to creat a democracy tehre was useless.. because even today local nobilitys rule small provinces...
even ghandi himself said taht the tactics he used against british control will probably not work against any other type of enemy....

hunger strikes will not benefit the proletariat....
popular revolution will....

only the unbeateble strenght of the proletariat will crush statual power... and that power will not throw roses but stones....

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from the anarchist on 7:14 pm on Jan. 23, 2003
ghandi style revolution is not meant to be a socialist revolution, it is a nationalist revolutiuon, it was meant to replace british domain by local indian domain.... the people benefited very few from that... after the revolution, instead of british burguase/imperial control there was indian nobel/burguase control.... not socialism... the pathetic athempt to creat a democracy tehre was useless.. because even today local nobilitys rule small provinces...
even ghandi himself said taht the tactics he used against british control will probably not work against any other type of enemy....

hunger strikes will not benefit the proletariat....
popular revolution will....

only the unbeateble strenght of the proletariat will crush statual power... and that power will not throw roses but stones....

Nobody wants revolution, you have no popular support.

[Anonymous]

1- WRONG!
2-WRONG!

[Anonymous]

Quote: from the anarchist on 2:02 am on Jan. 24, 2003
1- WRONG!
2-WRONG!




Explain yourself please.

[Anonymous]

no

[Thine Stalin]

Want to take part in a revolution, goto one of the former soviet states and support the national bolshevik party.

Not alot of the liberals here (the ones who know about them) like their ideals but they're the only communists in the world (besides the maoists) actually doing something other than talking and organizing labour unions.

3 men were arrested down in odessa just this week for anti-goverment guerrilla activities.

Their leader has been in prison for the past 2 years and prior to that had a column in the eXile (a major alternative newspaper in russia).

You can sit and whine about how noone will ever become communist or fantasize about how you and your two nerdy little friends will run into the military camps rambo style, OR you can goto russia, the ukraine, belorus, or any former soviet states and partake in another 1917.

The movement is mostly naive young people like you so you should fit in fine.

www.partynews.narod.ru has links to the websites of every region the National Bolshevik Party has a presence, and also has FAIRLY frequent news updates.

I'm going to the Kiev or Kharkov in 2005 and the NBP will host me there, until I find a job.

If you want to spread communism here and now, because your violent revolution is a load of shit and you know it, but if you do, make some literature, or hell if you're lazy and unoriginal, copy some and pass it around at school, show your communist colors everyday, and don't make your entire crowd of commies nerds because the masses are not dorks and unfortantly the majority of communists are dorks.

And if you're a nerd too, try to change your look and seem heroic and revolutionary or something. Grow a beard! Go on! Grow long hair! Goto thrift stores to buy your clothes!

Oh wait.. then you just look homeless, ignore that, just goto the NBP site and try to join that.

I'm going to try and get some arm bands and flags from the center in moscow soon.

[Blibblob]

damn you, the site is in russian, and im not russian, i dont live in russia(or old russian states) and i dont want to. so i say we all just go around unloading clips in the middle of stores untill we get more than 2 people to help us.

[Thine Stalin]

That'll get you popular support I'm sure.

[Mazdak]

LOL.. dorks... nerds.

You wont find any supporters of nbs here. NB's are extremely conservative. I have nothing against them except their extreme nationalism and anti semitism, but what the hell? Go along for the ride.

[Thine Stalin]

You see, us stalinists aren't a bunch of dorks.

But they changing their views really, the guy I talked to, was VERY much more liberal than I figured he would be, but he wasn't so sickening as a tree hugger.

[CompadreGuerrillera]

Quote: from Blibblob on 1:11 pm on Jan. 19, 2003
Hey, i agree with CI also, it was a damn joke, look at the civil war, what do you think would happen.


the civil war?? those fucken confederates were racist, fascist, aristocratic, that is one war, im glad the USFederals won


o and about the revolution support-- the revolution in america will be slow if our "freedoms" which i agree are FREEDOMS(compared to a fascist dictatorship)(such as Nazi Germany, Iraq, and America in the not-so-distant future(at least i predict))) are still existant, and the public enjoys them

when America is fascist, which appears on that course, and takes away the basic rights and freedoms, of the average american, the american WILL get mad, perhaps not all, but a lot will

secondly-- the revolution SHOULD NOT happen PREMATURELY, look at Russia, not that it had much of a choice, after all the monarchy wasnt opressive enough, and the capitalism wasnt rich enough, and oppressive, altho it was, it was a premature revolution

the revolution should happen at the appropraite time, for America, this may be long, or not-so-distant(depending on which directin it goes).
When it gets bad and oppressive(more so than it is now), then the revolution will HAVE to happen
when our constitutional rights have been destroyed it is time to overthrow the government
in all due time, EVERYONE, in all due time


(Edited by CompadreGuerrillera at 11:29 pm on Jan. 23, 2003)

[Mazdak]

LMAO. TS is banned again. Man i told him not to say anything about NB's. Oh well.

[Guest]

Those assholes

[Guest]

Anyway, the NBP isn't anti-semitic, I'll hunt you down the jewish/israeli National bolshevik party webpage if you want malte you facist.

[Anonymous]

go propagate your pseudo-socialism to other board...