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communard resolution
17th July 2008, 19:52
Two questions:
1. What are the music styles, music trends, or music cultures that define the 00s?
I can think of styles that are typically 70s (disco, punk, funk, prog rock, glam rock...), typically 80s (hair metal, rap, hardcore, thrash, dance pop...), or typically 90s (grunge, britpop, techno, house...), but I can't think of anything that really stood out or defined the 00s. What music will people think of in future decades when remembering the 00s?
Are there still 'important' music styles? It seems that now there are dozens of minuscule trends, but no genres or 'movements' that have a broader cultural importance.
2. Have there been any music styles or bands in the 00s that you would call original?
My impression is that all 'new' music in the 00s has been either a rehash/revival or a continuation of things that had already been there, without any genuinely new ideas. Am I wrong? Have people always been saying that, or have we finally arrived at a point where popular music is really exhausted?
More Fire for the People
17th July 2008, 20:13
Indie rap, crunk, Chicago hip hop, blues rock, dance-pop, indie rock, to name a few
communard resolution
17th July 2008, 20:16
Indie rap, crunk, Chicago hip hop, blues rock, dance-pop, indie rock, to name a few
Which of these would you call original or important and why?
Pirate Utopian
17th July 2008, 20:16
That and neo-R&B.
I'm into the blues rockers like The Black Keys or White Stripes.
communard resolution
17th July 2008, 20:17
I'm into the blues rockers like The Black Keys or White Stripes.
... which is retro/revival music rather than 'new'.
Pirate Utopian
17th July 2008, 20:26
Still it's a face of the 00s, wich is a fucking boring decade if you ask me.
More Fire for the People
17th July 2008, 20:50
Which of these would you call original or important and why?
Indie rap, crunk, and Chicago hip hop.
Indie rap brought hip hop to a different level. It's not just a turn back to old school boom-bap but it's a combination of boom-bap, sampled beats with new production techniques and lyrical depth not found in pop rap.
Crunk is important because it was the first genre of hip hop dance music to spread across the whole country despite it's local connection to the South. But it also brought in a degradation of hip hop with the substitution of crunk for lyrically-motivated, rap hip hop.
Chicago hip hop took hip hop in a 180 direction with the whole mix of 808 synth beats, sampledelia, and pitched-up vocal samples.
Comrade Rage
17th July 2008, 21:29
Two questions:
1. What are the music styles, music trends, or music cultures that define the 00s?There really hasn't been a significant change in music in the 00's, just a rehash of stuff that came before. Crunk is an important trend, but it's just a Southern spin on hip-hop. Chicago is a more original (imho) rehash on hip-hop, but it's just another regional offshoot like Crunk, or West Coast rap music.
Pop and pop-rock music is just like it was in the 90's, just more pissy and unoriginal.
2. Have there been any music styles or bands in the 00s that you would call original?Bands? One, Linkin Park. Singers? Yeah, I'd probably say a few. For instance, I think that Alicia Keys will be remembered for quite some time, even though she wasn't part of a newly defined genre, she's R&B.
My impression is that all 'new' music in the 00s has been either a rehash/revival or a continuation of things that had already been there, without any genuinely new ideas. Am I wrong?No.
Have people always been saying that, or have we finally arrived at a point where popular music is really exhausted?I'm starting to think so. For a while I thought that the 00's would have a unique sound, but it was taking a while to form. As a lot of people may recall, the early 90's were more or less just the same music as the 80's.
But it doesn't look like that anymore. This decade is just going to be more of the same, and that's why I listen to very little contemporary music. I mainly listen to R&B and Disco from the 70's and 80's/early 90's.
ÑóẊîöʼn
17th July 2008, 21:59
I confess I don't know much about about later mainstream 00's music - but if what I'm occasionally hearing from people's cars is any indication, then it appears to be nothing but a torrent of pure shite.
I must say that what most people call "techno" has diversified and matured hugely since the 1990s. Granted, there's still maudlin mainstream stuff such as Scooter, but for the most part only those who are really into electronic music are left after the 90s. Which is good, since commercialised music has a definate tendency to suck shit.
KrazyRabidSheep
18th July 2008, 17:01
Indie rap, crunk, Chicago hip hop, blues rock, dance-pop, indie rock, to name a few
Bah. . .St. Louis hip-hop beats Chicago.
1. What are the music styles, music trends, or music cultures that define the 00s?
There's what More Fire stated above.
It seems to me that while 3rd wave ska is dying out, a new interest in reggae is emerging.
R&B, pop-punk, metalcore, darkwave, reggaeton, Disney music, electro, bachata, J-pop. . .
. . .and of course there's emo music :bored:.
My impression is that all 'new' music in the 00s has been either a rehash/revival or a continuation of things that had already been there, without any genuinely new ideas.
Not just music. Anybody notice that every movie is either a remake, sequel, or story translated from another medium? The few that are not follow the same cliches and formulas (ex: boy meets girl).
Kami
18th July 2008, 17:11
What'll define the 00's music for me is the rise of metal operas, from bands like Avantasia, Ayreon and Aina. But that's not very mainstream, I'll admit ^^
communard resolution
18th July 2008, 17:14
I confess I don't know much about about later mainstream 00's music - but if what I'm occasionally hearing from people's cars is any indication, then it appears to be nothing but a torrent of pure shite.
What is even the mainstream today? In the 90s, it was techno and grunge/alt-rock/indie. Today there's a million of isolated little trends. Nothing seems 'important' anymore, not even in the mainstream. That's what I was originally saying.
communard resolution
18th July 2008, 17:20
Bah. . .St. Louis hip-hop beats Chicago.
There's what More Fire stated above.
It seems to me that while 3rd wave ska is dying out, a new interest in reggae is emerging.
R&B, pop-punk, metalcore, darkwave, reggaeton, Disney music, electro, bachata, J-pop. . .
. . .and of course there's emo music
Of all these styles I would only call reggaeton a new creation (of which I personally only like Ivy Queen btw). Electroclash was fun at the beginning of the decade, but it was mostly derivative of 80s stuff, with the exception of Peaches perhaps - whom I like a lot.
Not just music. Anybody notice that every movie is either a remake, sequel, or story translated from another medium? The few that are not follow the same cliches and formulas (ex: boy meets girl).Could this be a sign for the final stages of our culture? 'Cultural pessimist' Oswald Spengler (a right-winger, to be sure) claimed in "Decline of the West" that when most art is just pastiche and diluted imitation of things that had gone before, then we have arrived at the end of a civilisation. In fairness, he claimed it was already happening when he wrote the book back in the 1920s, and a lot of genuinely new and exciting things have happened in art and culture since. Still, I'm wondering if we're still moving forward or whether we've finally exhausted our possibilities (in pop music, at least).
EDIT: I've never heard of bachata and J-Pop. Care to brief me?
RHIZOMES
19th July 2008, 01:46
I'd say scene music like emo and indie, despite being a rehash, is what the 00's will be remembered for.
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 01:52
R&B, pop-punk, metalcore, darkwave, reggaeton, Disney music, electro, bachata, J-pop. . .
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:bored::bored::bored::bored:
If this is going to be a trend that will go on, forget the polar ice-caps: WE ARE DOOMED!!!
Red_or_Dead
19th July 2008, 04:13
If you ask me, it is loads of boring crap in a decade that is equaly exciting. Its why I hardly listen to new music.
1. What are the music styles, music trends, or music cultures that define the 00s?
The same that defined these past 4 or so decades, I guess.
2. Have there been any music styles or bands in the 00s that you would call original?
No.
I think that music needs another serious revolution. Kinda like what Rock`n`roll was in the 50s or Punk in the 70s. Here`s hoping for a more exciting decade in 2010s!
chimx
19th July 2008, 07:31
00s mark the decline of hiphop and the growth of independent music. With file sharing dominating the music industry it is becoming difficult for high paid artists to make a living. The music industry is churning out non-stop clubbing hiphop that is full of auto-tuning abuse and rehashed beats because it is cheap and easy to make. Meanwhile, independent bands are shining since their music is able to be spread easier sans record industry. Those are the current trends and I doubt this will stop anytime soon unless internet broadband starts being capped as is being suggested by some ISPs
mykittyhasaboner
19th July 2008, 10:18
the 00's is the age of mainstream commercialized shit. especially in the united states. what people call "rap" and "hip hop", you know the music that is about money, drugs, gang violence, 'hoes' and nothing else, is just a beat that a 4 year old can make, and a lame melody. oh yeah and i forgot, its also all about stupid dance moves now, im sure we can name 20 songs easy that are popular that center around some dumb dance move. honestly i could rant on and on about how shitty rap/hiphop has gotten in the last few years, not to mention influencing ridiculous fashions and mentalities, which resulted in the mass conformity of youth in the US.
emo began genuinely, but was turned into mainstream garbage sometime around 2004. although theres still some good stuff.
"indie" rock/pop/synth/electronica is huge. theres a lot of orginal new stuff being tried with plenty of new artists. a lot of it is influenced by other genres, so its not technically the most original music, but its certainly new and refreshing. if you ask me indie is the only genuine popular music of the 00's. although just like any other scene, there are plenty of posers and corporate artists that ruin it for everybody else.
trance/house/techno/progressive is still around and has a lot of life in it, but i guess you couldnt call it completely original, since all that originated in the 90's.
KrazyRabidSheep
19th July 2008, 16:23
EDIT: I've never heard of bachata and J-Pop. Care to brief me?
Bachata is a dance music (also called amargue) from the Dominican Republic. Often it's subject matter involves the downside of romance (breakup, for example.)
Instruments used often include: guitar (lead, rhythm, electric, acoustic), bass, guira, bongos, and tambora.
Admittedly, bachata is not a new music style, but rather a revival; it originally emerged in the late 50s/early 60s following the Trujillo regime.
J-pop is short for Japanese-pop, and while can be used to describe any popular music in Japan, is typically used to describe a type of pop music played in Japan that is reminiscent of bubblegum-pop and synth-pop.
Instruments consist of many electrical and synthesized instruments; often J-pop artists simply sing to music created entirely on a computer. If you have ever played or heard the music on the Dance Dance Revolution (DDR) arcade game, or watched an anime, the music was likely J-pop.
I'd rather stick a red-hot fork in my ear then listen to J-pop, but it is rather popular (withing many social groups.)
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