i'm not feminist, i'm female

[Violet]

i don't need to be feminist.

feminism is sexism.

female is sex.

i'd rather identify with sex than with sexism.

so i'm not feminist,
i'm female.

i'm also an anarchist.
or more accurately,
i am anarchy.

reasons to be called anything:
relationships,
communication and identification.

so in relation to the rest of society
i am female and i am anarchy and i am Violet,
but if there was no one else around
and no reasons to communicate or identify
and no one to relate to
then there'd be no reason to have any names at all.

[Bilan]

feminism is sexism.

How?




reasons to be called anything:
relationships,
communication and identification.

so in relation to the rest of society
i am female and i am anarchy and i am Violet,
but if there was no one else around
and no reasons to communicate or identify
and no one to relate to
then there'd be no reason to have any names at all.

Okay.
So you're arguing that your a social being, and that your identity is a construction of society...and that you are Violet.
Hello, Violet. :)

However, that doesn't prove that feminism is sexism.

Feminism, in its simplest form is "a discourse that involves various movements, theories (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory) and philosophies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophies) which are concerned with the issue of gender difference (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_difference), that advocate equality for women, and that campaign for women's rights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights) and interests." (Wiki)

It's a rejection of sexism, and encompasses the struggles against sexism.
It is not in itself sexist (Although, some feminists in history have been - however, that still doesn't make the ideology/movement/philosophy/whatever itself sexist).

[Drace]

i don't need to be feminist.

feminism is sexism.

female is sex.

i'd rather identify with sex than with sexism.

so i'm not feminist,
i'm female.


feminism is somewhat sexism because when thinking of feminism it is sexism as it means you are not truly thinking of both as equal.

female is sex as in sexism is only pointed toward females.


Ahh see your art troubles us. We have to use our brain decoding our message and we cannot at the same time interpret it.
dammit

[Module]

feminism is somewhat sexism because when thinking of feminism it is sexism as it means you are not truly thinking of both as equal.

female is sex as in sexism is only pointed toward females.


Ahh see your art troubles us. We have to use our brain decoding our message and we cannot at the same time interpret it.
dammit
I'm sorry, but I really do not understand this post, or the original one.
Apart from specific sentences by themselves it just doesn't make sense. :confused:

Feminism is not sexism because it advocates gender equality, and does think of both sexes as equal.
Really, what else is to be said?
I think you two should, first things first, look at this Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism).

[Decolonize The Left]

I'm sorry, but I really do not understand this post, or the original one.
Apart from specific sentences by themselves it just doesn't make sense. :confused:

Feminism is not sexism because it advocates gender equality, and does think of both sexes as equal.
Really, what else is to be said?
I think you two should, first things first, look at this Wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism).

I will second this. Would either Violet or Drace like to clarify their statements?

- August

[Kami]

i don't need to be feminist.
Correct

feminism is sexism.
Absolutely wrong. How, might I ask, is a movement working for gender equality sexist?

female is sex.
Aye, though from the next sentence, I don't think you're talking about sex

i'd rather identify with sex than with sexism.
I'm not sure I get "identify with sex". Sex is something you biologically are, perhaps you mean gender? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender)

so i'm not feminist,
i'm female.
Are you trying to establish some sort of dichotomy here? If so, I don't get it. Why can't one be both?

i'm also an anarchist.
or more accurately,
i am anarchy.
Well, unless you are a stateless, classless society, no you're not :P

reasons to be called anything:
relationships,
communication and identification.
I'd probably put relationships and communication together there, but other than that, fair enough

so in relation to the rest of society
i am female and i am anarchy and i am Violet,
but if there was no one else around
and no reasons to communicate or identify
and no one to relate to
then there'd be no reason to have any names at all.
Quite possible. I'm no expert on human psychology myself, but I wouldn't be surprised either way

[The Feral Underclass]

i don't need to be feminist.

feminism is sexism.

female is sex.

i'd rather identify with sex than with sexism.

so i'm not feminist,
i'm female.

i'm also an anarchist.
or more accurately,
i am anarchy.

reasons to be called anything:
relationships,
communication and identification.

so in relation to the rest of society
i am female and i am anarchy and i am Violet,
but if there was no one else around
and no reasons to communicate or identify
and no one to relate to
then there'd be no reason to have any names at all.

Fucking hippy!

[Lector Malibu]

Hi Marsella!

[RedAnarchist]

Vi~, Violet. Is that your real first name?

[TC]

This was one of those things which probably made a lot more sense in your head (especially if your head was on acid or other hippy drugs at the time) then it does in print.

[Malakangga]

Hi Marsella!



Haha.... nice,Flower Eater :lol::lol:.

By the way,yes,is that really your name,violet?

[RedAnarchist]

Haha.... nice,Flower Eater :lol::lol:.

By the way,yes,is that really your name,violet?

Shes banned now.

[Drace]

Shes banned now.

Lol how sad. For what reason would that be?

[Lector Malibu]

Lol how sad. For what reason would that be?

Ask her.:lol:

[Drace]

I'm not allowed in the strip club :crying:

[KrazyRabidSheep]

All I feel I need to contribute to this thread is from my signature.

I became a feminist as an alternative to becoming a masochist.

[Violet]

-i am in myself a stateless classless society.

-i am my own soverein nation.

-my real name is Rose,
and
i like shades of (red+blue)

thus the lable 'Violet'.
it's a useful tool for discovering and interacting with RevLeft

You may call me Vi, you may call me Rose.

because RevLeft and i have potential.

-society is nothing more than a string of relationships and the modes of production we all partake in to make it happen.

-feminism is sexism if female is sex

-my first identification was with "female"
and only when i was older did i ever come into contact with "feminism".

-i was a feminist once,
and now i'm not because i thought more about it.

-there's no need to be feminist if you're a strong female.

i am strong, i am "independent",
i mean i have my own job, my own apartment that i pay for and live in all by myself. i work seven days a week and go to school four nights a week because i can.

no one else pays these bills and i don't pay them for anyone but myself.

-i am involved in capitalism, but not democracy.

-i am against democracy because i hold the sovereignty of the person to be more immediate
therefore more important then the sovereignty of the people.

-i am involved in capitalism because i spent some time homeless and against it and got a urinary tract infection and some sort of vaginal infection and that's when i decided to get a job and a place because i can do that if i want to. that decision was made in December of 2007.

showering is nice.

- my landlord came to my house once
i was expecting one of my friends.
when i saw it was him i said
"oh, it's you, i thought it was one of my friends."

and he said
"I am one of your friends"
and i said
"No you're not you're my landlord."
and he said
"Oh."
and i geve him his money and he left.

[Violet]

feminism is masochism.

feminism is a fight,
and it's futile and self-defeating.

it's unnecessary.
it can be grown out of now.

feminism is patriarchy,
and dependence on either concept shows decay.

so let it rot.

the feminists will die.

there are strong women who can just be it without any "isms".

so shut up and be female already,
stop beating around the bush.

Pun absolutely intended.

Are you a strong, independent woman?
so be it.

-feminism is an inevitable development of oppressive, heirarchal, patriarchal societies.
feminism and patriarchy both contribute to the same social condition.

-when there is no male dominance, feminism seems ridiculous.
ridiculous as if some one was to call itself a "masculist" in a society where there is no oppressive matriarchy.

-there is no male dominance over me,
and i do not depend on any marriage.
the rule has been broken, it was never a law.

-heirarchy is oppressor and oppressed. (obviously, but let me make my point)

-both parties make the agreement,
and if they don't agree then there is no oppression.
there is no oppressor and then authority is nothing.

otherwords:
you can do what you can when you have the ability.
any one with abilities can do whatever they are able to.

but if someone else doesn't grant you permissions,
then you've got no rights.

without the right there is no authorization,
without authorization there is no authority.

-without authority there is no heirarchy.

[Violet]

-if you call yourself oppressed
and if you believe you are underneath someone else,
then that's what you are.
it's up to you what you are.

you give them the right
or else they don't have it.
they can do it even if they don't have the right,
just like you can,
because this is anarchy.

rights and authority are meaningless.

do what you will.

they are free to be pigs,
and you are free to take it or leave it.

-the social order never stops changing and can always be influenced.

[Violet]

the movement for gender equality is contributing to the same social order as is the movement for gender inequality.

it's all focused on sex,
or 'gender' if you want to call it that.

fine, we'll use the word 'gender'
and then i'll call feminism 'genderist'.

i am no genderist,
though gender is part of who i am.

[Lector Malibu]

Stop spamming the forum

[Drace]

You cant call it spam Flower.

See she has a point


feminism is sexism if female is sex

Its true. Female is sex, its a gender.
If we were all equal, there would be no females OR males, there would be no genders nor sex.
We would all truly be the same, not all males, but all Elaskaminatosareakdaeraoos.
The name does not matter, call it what you will.

So how does feminism think of both sexism as equal when the first thing it does is recognize males and females as 2 different

[Lector Malibu]

You cant call it spam Flower.

Really? And why's that?

Edit
In response to your edit

It's multiple post that are dominating a forum , which is a form of spam under the definition.

See for yourself
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam

[Drace]

Violet, is an artist never wrong of their work?
We cannot debate what the artist means.

So when you say something, you say it like you cant be wrong. How can we argue?
And politics is all arguing. I don't think art goes too well with it.

Of course art goes with philosophy, some might say it is art.

[Decolonize The Left]

Its true. Female is sex, its a gender.
If we were all equal, there would be no females OR males, there would be no genders nor sex.
We would all truly be the same, not all males, but all Elaskaminatosareakdaeraoos.
The name does not matter, call it what you will.

This is not correct. Male and female are sexes. The are biological differences. Man and woman are genders, they are socially-constructed roles. Hence 'if we were all the same' (which we cannot be, nor is anyone saying we should be), the sexes would still exist, though gender would be different if not absent entirely.


So how does feminism think of both sexism as equal when the first thing it does is recognize males and females as 2 different

You are confused. Feminism does not claim that males and females are the same. It claims that women ought to receive the same treatment as males through the structure of our society and in the personal actions of individuals.

- August

[Drace]

Well then I think Violet may be confused as well.
That might have been the best I could do to go on her side.

[spartan]

Is it the term "Feminism" that you are opposed to?

If so then i can understand as it has, rightly or wrongly, negative connotations amongst most people in the real world (i.e. not on leftist forums).

That doesn't make it negative of course but you see it in other areas like where far-right parties such as the BNP wont dare come out and say that they are indeed Fascist or racist due to a fear of negative public perception.

I feel that negative public perception is something that we on the left should also worry about as i dont think that we can get the mass support necessary for a revolution without a few "compromises" in our radical dialogue (i.e. lets not be so black and white on certain contentious issues which could cause division) which alienates the majority and attracts only a minority which doesn't make a damn bit of difference in the real world (Where not everyone agrees with each other on all issues).

[Violet]

Violet doesn't need anyone but Rose to speak for her.

perhaps i am 'spamming'
but that's your call to make since your the one who worships that kind of thing and i don't.

FREEDOM you can't CONTROL
no matter how many definitions you've got in your rule book.
rules were broken before they were made,
you remain unauthorized-

i am making a statement and you are commenting on it,
did you even read what i wrote?

i want you to know what i mean.
i hope you know it already.
i want you to discuss this with me seriously.
i would even take on an arguement if it came my way.

i am not confused,
but i'm not sure you're following me and it's probably my own fault.
but the fault could be yours,
we could both be wrong,
is it possible?

maybe there's just no one here worth talking to.
i'm not giving up too quickly.
only just quickly enough.

an attempted summary:

-i am not feminist,
i am female.
feminism is sexism,
feminism contributes to the current social condition,
feminism is not healthy,
feminism is a symptom of social decay.

fighting for freedom is like using your freedom to fight for freedom.

Evolution, not Revolution.

be conscious.

[Dimentio]

Shes banned now.

Is she?

[Lector Malibu]

perhaps i am 'spamming'

Perhaps????


but that's your call to make since your the one who worships that kind of thing and i don't.

Really what are you on :lol:


FREEDOM you can't CONTROL
no matter how many definitions you've got in your rule book.
rules were broken before they were made,
you remain unauthorized-

It's not my rule book. It is however an annoyance to the forum.


i am making a statement and you are commenting on it,
did you even read what i wrote?

I did not comment on your statement. I commented on your spamming.

[Violet]

perhaps there aren't a lot of people who've taken this step,
but i think the term 'feminist' is outdated and i've discarded it from my identity.
i've called me a feminist before.
i just don't need it any more,
i feel secure in my female self-awareness.

calling yourself a feminist,
you call attention to your sexual insecurity.
why call attention to a sexual insecurity which does not exist?

i've gotten over it.
and i've yet to be proven otherwise.
i am strong and female enough without the movement.

i am individual,
i am anarchy,
i am female.

maybe if i was living in the fifties or something,
but i'm only 21 years old.

i don't need the feminist movement,
it's old.

all i need is myself.

i used to call myself a feminist when i was 12, i remember.
but i've grown into an anarchist since,
and i don't need feminism any more.

i don't need to focus so much on my gender,
i focus now on oppression and authority in general.

feminism is an incomplete movement and can't be otherwise.

perhaps feminism has been good in that it has helped to facilitate a general freedom-mind.

[Violet]

i know what you were commenting on.

you don't understand the core of my statement, all you can do is try to put yourself above me by picking at what you find easiest to understand just enough to try to degrade.

your lack of understanding is a reflection of your own state of mind, not mine.

this thread might be an annoyance to the forum and you might be the forum's spokesman,
so what?
what are you, a cop?
are you the spam-police sent to regulate via commentary the content of my thread?
are you a special agent trained to fight only me?

Bring it on, dead-eye.

is the fact that i'm "spamming" that much more important than the potential conversation i've proposed?

[professorchaos]

-if you call yourself oppressed
and if you believe you are underneath someone else,
then that's what you are.
it's up to you what you are.
Oh, so all the proletariat has to do to stop its exploitation is to deny it. Brilliant!

And the word is "hippie". "Hippy" is someone with big hips.

[Mujer Libre]

i don't need the feminist movement,
it's old.
So is anarchism. All your posts consist of unsubstantialted one liners. You'll have to do better than that.

Also, if you feel that feminism is unnecessary within the revolutionary left (anarchists, in your case) I suggest you read up about the experiences of the Mujeres Libres in Spain, and how they felt that they needed to organise specifically as woman, as their voices weren't being heard by the men of their movements. It sounds like it might be a bit of an eye-opener.

[Lector Malibu]

i know what you were commenting on.

you don't understand the core of my statement, all you can do is try to put yourself above me by picking at what you find easiest to understand just enough to try to degrade.

your lack of understanding is a reflection of your own state of mind, not mine.

this thread might be an annoyance to the forum and you might be the forum's spokesman,
so what?
what are you, a cop?
are you the spam-police sent to regulate via commentary the content of my thread?
are you a special agent trained to fight only me?

Bring it on, dead-eye.

is the fact that i'm "spamming" that much more important than the potential conversation i've proposed?

Yes your spamming has taken away my ability to consider what you say seriously. That is why we don't encourage spamming or trolling. This is a discussion forum. Revleft is not "Roses rant".

I'm the furthest thing from a cop or an authoritarian spoke person you could imagine:lol:

Bring it?:lol: bring what?

Stop spamming. Start quoting and engaging in discussions with users and I will be more than happy to respond on your discussions on feminism.

[jake williams]

"Feminism" is one of those terms that involves a whole lot of complexities and definitional struggles. It is applied to ideas and movements which are in direct and explicit opposition to each other. So I don't know how useful it is if it's used carelessly.

Some issues you address, though, do exist. There are different ways you can look at "sexism" within feminism. First, there is in our society, and arguably most or all modern societies, and illegitimate system of patriarchy which degrades, oppresses, and harms women. That much isn't meaningfully questionable. The way to deal with this is tricky.

It should be ended, I think, and I think you're a horrible person if you disagree (given the assumption that patriarchy exists - if you don't accept this you're ignorant, not immoral). Now this at least entails ending the form of male privilege which patriarchy creates (though on a more complex level I would argue patriarchy ultimately harms men, but that can be left out for now). This means taking away the relative rights men currently have, which could be considered sexist, but I don't think it's useful to do so. This is true of all movements which seek to alleviate or eliminate disparity. If you liberate the working class - say - you attack the privilege of the capitalist class (and there again there is a level on which capitalism does little for its ruling class members, they end up depressed emotionless shells, but there again also this level of abstraction can ignore pertinent realities).

There also types, categories of feminism which either try to fit gender myths into a context of sexual separate-but-equalism, which you could call sexist, and also some which dispense of sexual equality altogether and argue that women are inherently better than men, which is explicitly sexist under any definition of the word (though of course, if this is the ideology you adhere to, you are in fact left with saying simply, yes, I think a moral and accurate analysis of the world should be sexist).

[chimx]

my landlord came to my house once
i was expecting one of my friends.
when i saw it was him i said
"oh, it's you, i thought it was one of my friends."

and he said
"I am one of your friends"
and i said
"No you're not you're my landlord."
and he said
"Oh."
and i geve him his money and he left.

This story made me laugh out loud Violet. Welcome to the forums by the way.

[Violet]

quoting?

ok.

"happy to respond on your discussions on feminism."

please bring that attitude with you, when you're reading and commenting.
and also bring your Springfield, Deadeye Dick, it's friday night and we're goin lynch us a troll-

"all the proletariat has to do to stop its exploitation is to deny it. Brilliant!"

Wrong.

All he has to do is recognize his freedom.
and act like he's free (whatever he wants to do or say or not do.)

You say to your master
"I am the boss of me, not you. You're the boss of only yourself. I let you tell me what to do and i did it but i'm not doing it any more."
and then walk away to a new life.
if you're not there he can't hurt you.

He might still believe in his authority and you might get punished.
or perhaps you'll escape in the night.

and if you feel like smashing "his" stuff or taking it then i betcha you could.
and you could make a scene or protest or something.

you know it's not really his stuff, any way, it's just stuff in general.
you understand what 'property' is.

"it's all psychology"
you whisper to his sleeping body as you creep out the door with his record collection.

the key is: don't ever go back, even if you miss him. be strong.

(i do not advocate murder. but if i did i'd suggest you stab him or something when he's not looking, or shoot him if he is. Perhaps push him out the window... i'd rather you'd just leave him a note, or not, and never go back.)

what is he with you around?
he is a tyrant because he has someone to tyranize.
so your leaving is also what's best for him, too.

you've yet to solve the problem if you're still struggling with it.
and if you're calling yourself a feminist you're obviously still struggling with a tyrant and you are obviously still the 'lower' class and you're putting yourself there.

"... an illegitimate system of patriarchy which degrades, oppresses, and harms women. That much isn't meaningfully questionable.
It should be ended, I think, and I think you're a horrible person if you disagree (given the assumption that patriarchy exists - if you don't accept this you're ignorant, not immoral).

not ignorent,
"amoral".

so when i was younger i considered myself a feminist.
i was born female and all my life i've dealt with men and women and i live in massachusetts, USA and i know my measurements are 33-24-33 and i'm a foxy lady and a good little girl.

the other day a woman i work with asked me
"What are you going to do about them
(the tattoos on my forearm)
on you wedding day?"

and i said
"I don't think i'll ever be married."

i got into feminism before i understood anarchy,
it helped my development but i'm glad i'm not 14 any more.

when i was 17 i was living with my boyfriend and his parents, he was 23.
by this time was already conceptualizing myself as beyond feminism.
i stayed for a year and a half. i'd have been homeless otherwise and i was scared of that because i'd never done it yet.

but i wanted badly enough to make a statement so i left.
i went couch serfing, lived with my parents, slept in my car, slept in the forest, and lived in motel rooms until almost six months ago when i got my own place.

my "boyfriend" and i used to fight a lot.
he used to try to control me even though he told me he was an anarchist.
and then he asked me to marry him and be his legal wife.
i was so disappointed, i should've known...

but if you know you're free
and you don't want to waste your time fighting,
and you don't feel like being wrapped up in any legal contracts,
then don't fight and just leave.

he's only your "boyfriend" because you tell him he is.

he's only your boss because you do what he tells you to.

you don't need to work in a factory and you can be homeless and poor and hungry not have to deal with all the complications that being involved in a large social network inevitably comes with.
just deal with the complications of being an individual.
i suggest everyone does it at least for a time just to know that feeling.

because it doesn't matter what kind of set up you've got it will always be problematic so long as you have to deny your freedom.

"Now this at least entails ending the form of male privilege which patriarchy creates (though on a more complex level I would argue patriarchy ultimately harms men, but that can be left out for now). "

all you have to do is deny their authority.
just say "No you're not the boss of me."
and there you go, the thing is done.

"This means taking away the relative rights men currently have"

No it doesn't.
It means recognizing the nature of "rights" and "authority".
and once you do that you know they never had it in the first place.

it's their Ability to 'dominate' that you Really want to get rid of.

so quit associating with them,
focus on yourself,
and be so that no man can dominate you.

what can he do?
he can do all kinds of things, we all know.
and there are other people, even women, who will help him to do it.
And everyone knows what it means to be out numbered and stuck.
Your attitude toward that kind of situation is very important.

if you believe in their dominion, then you are beaten and they are given the Right to tyranize over you because you are the only one who can give them that privilage.

They can have the Ability without you giving it to them (like if you're born into it).

but if you can endure their treatment (if for some reason you must), all the while convinced of your freedom, you will be alert to your opportunities, and you can use those opportunities to show the world and prove it to yourself that you are free and you can survive without him and them and money and the whole game and you can choose.

"If you liberate the working class - say - you attack the privilege of the capitalist class"

The ruling class will take your freedom as an insult to their dominion.
Though you can see that they have never had power,
they will still be under the impression that they can control the world and the people around them because that's all their life experience has taught them so far.
They set themselves up to be that way and it's their own business to change their attitude.
if there are rational people under all that education,
then eventually they will recognize the truth because they will not be ale to avoid it.
all you can do is be yourself and let you acts enlighten them.

"a moral and accurate analysis of the world should be sexist."

morality is always sexist and never accurate.

[Violet]

"This story made me laugh out loud Violet. Welcome to the forums by the way."

thanks for the welcome.
i'm glad to know that there's someone out there who can properly enjoy some non-fiction.

[F9]

to be honest......
i am fucking confused:confused::confused::confused::confused::c onfused:
i dont really understand anything you right violet,maybe its the artist way
i like it, but i cannot understand it:lol:

Fuserg9:star:

[Kami]

"I am the boss of me, not you. You're the boss of only yourself. I let you tell me what to do and i did it but i'm not doing it any more."
and then walk away to a new life.
if you're not there he can't hurt you.
That's a good way to get yourself fired, and if you're unlucky, blacklisted. There's no garuntee you'll be able to find a job, and then what? You realise that you're not as free as you thought you were, and yes, he can hurt you.


He might still believe in his authority and you might get punished.
or perhaps you'll escape in the night. Try to be a little bit more substantial will you? What on earth do you mean by "escape in the night"?

and if you feel like smashing "his" stuff or taking it then i betcha you could.
and you could make a scene or protest or something. Then you'd be arrested, charged, thrown in jail. Aren't you happy now?


you whisper to his sleeping body as you creep out the door with his record collection. What, you think you're some kind of ninja? you know why people aren't always pulling stuff like that? Because it's increadibly difficult.

Y'know, I can't be bothered with the rest of this rubbish. I don't know what you're trying to achieve by spouting half-nonsense, but aside from trolling, I'm honestly not sure what you could achieve.

[Forward Union]

my brain is melting

[jake williams]

Talk normal. In like paragraphs and shit. You don't make any sense. And you're not making yourself sound smarter or whatever.

[Lector Malibu]

Could everybody stop making sense except Rose?. Is that too much to ask? I mean all this non spamming and proper post quoting is taking away from Rose's efforts to educate us about her views on feminism. I mean some of us are really here for the trolls...

[Violet]

well if you can't imagine life without a job then maybe you're not cut out for any mouthing-off. and if you don't know what it means to escape in the night then maybe you're better off just staying right where you are.

there was a pregnant woman got shot on mother's day by a 12 year old boy on his roof with his daddy's gun. it was an accident. they brought him down to the station basement and locked him in a cage and let some of the rich town folk come down and insult him and stare and his dad got beat up in the other room.
they brought the husband of the dead woman, father of the dead baby, and held the boy in front of him. he could beat on him if he wanted. but the husband chose not to, and the police felt uncomfortable.

it was a good book, Deadeye Dick. it had nothing to do with trolling.
Kurt Vonnegut.

[jake williams]

well if you can't imagine life without a job then maybe you're not cut out for any mouthing-off. and if you don't know what it means to escape in the night then maybe you're better off just staying right where you are.
If you don't stop talking about nonsensical shit, and start speaking in sentences that are semi-comprehensible, I'm not going to bother. Troll go home.

[Lector Malibu]

well if you can't imagine life without a job then maybe you're not cut out for any mouthing-off. and if you don't know what it means to escape in the night then maybe you're better off just staying right where you are.

Yawn...Come on that was boring and you know it. I expect better trolling like before.


there was a pregnant woman got shot on mother's day by a 12 year old boy on his roof with his daddy's gun. it was an accident. they brought him down to the station basement and locked him in a cage and let some of the rich town folk come down and insult him and stare and his dad got beat up in the other room.
they brought the husband of the dead woman, father of the dead baby, and held the boy in front of him. he could beat on him if he wanted. but the husband chose not to, and the police felt uncomfortable.

it was a good book, Deadeye Dick. it had nothing to do with trolling.
Kurt Vonnegut.Did not read Dead Eye actually. Slaughter House Five was my favorite work by him. It has been years though...

[ifeelyou]

why r the boys on revleft so hostile? also, the the policing of "spam" and "trolling" by members is hilarious, and maybe even a little ironic.

[Lector Malibu]

why r the boys on revleft so hostile? also, the policing of "spam" and "trolling" by members is hilarious, and maybe even a little ironic.

So people are allowed to do whatever the they would like on the forum? What's hilarious is that because you have no idea how the board actually works and runs that you're able to confidently make a statement like this.

Excessive Trolling and Spamming (if you're not sure what they are please look them up) are not allowed on the forum. Matter a fact Trolls in extreme situations can be banned outright.

[Decolonize The Left]

why r the boys on revleft so hostile? also, the fact that members actually police "spam" and "trolling" is hilarious, and maybe even a little ironic.

I'm not sure exactly... but it seems as though this thread has lost its original intent and devolved into petty insults and accusations of 'trolling' or 'spamming' or whatever.

From what I have gathered from this thread, Violet seems to have a very simple approach to revolutionary politics - a lifestyle approach. This is not common language here on this board, we are used to theoretical and political discourse - not straightforward views on these ideologies.

All in all, this seems to be one massive miscommunication on everyone's part. I would recommend starting a new thread with a more specific topic of interest in order to hone this discussion further.

- August

[Hiero]

This is good stuff.

[Reuben]

She probably reckons posting in this way makes her deep. I hope we keep her around for the amusement.

[Violet]

The origional intent of this thread has been lost. If i start a new thread on the same topic i will be sure to at least try to alter my writing style in such a way as to make my point more readily available to the common audience. I apologize once again for not being able to clear up any misunderstandings even though i tried.

and on a more sarcastic note: i apologize for failing to produce a body of writing that appeals to the mindset of the lowest common standard.

this thread uses theory but it's content is based on real life experiences. i'm glad to know that there are some people around here who can recognize that even if they aren't used to it.
but i'm not surprized to see that the one's with the most persistence are the ones who've shown the least understanding of the intended point.

I'm glad to see that some people agree with me when i call the flower eater a cop. flower eater is not a moderator, and if it was i'd be embarrased at it's conduct.
so you are a memeber of the elite class, are you F.E.? your opinions matter, do they? well that's just great. i hope you fully enjoy your social status. you look good when you wear your C.C. badge of honor. if you'd like to see me banned, for whatever reason, then just go ahead and use your powers and ban me. what's stopping you? could it be democracy?

the flower eater has contributed the least of all to the intended conversation while using every reply to either insult me and my style or as an attempt at rules enforcement and content regulation.

if I could get a hold of F.E.'s commie club badge, i'd draw an F on it before the CC and then at least it would be art. (get it? FCC...)

what's more nonsensical? that someone is sincerely trying to make a statement and have a talk about something important even though her style may be "artsy" and "misunderstood", or that someone is taking the time to write a reply saying they're not going to bother taking the time to write a reply?

[Decolonize The Left]

I am all for a new thread, one which is engaged in by all people with respect and dignity. I look forward to having a productive discussion.

But on a side note, and I know tensions may be high but come on, this is hilariously clever:

if I could get a hold of F.E.'s commie club badge, i'd draw an F on it before the CC and then at least it would be art. (get it? FCC...)

- August

[Black Dagger]

I've trashed the off-topic spam and bickering.

Violet/Rose, please try to post in a more coherent manner (like your more recent posts in this thread). This is a discussion forum, posting in a poetical style can be enjoyable to read but it can also be difficult to understand and hampers discussion (the purpose of this forum). Also, please refrain from posting multiple posts one after another - if you think of something else please use the edit feature to add it to your post. Oh, and it's not fair to accuse other members of being 'fascists' or 'cops' - even if they have been hostile towards you, please try to keep your posts as civil as possible (i know this can be difficult at times).

To everyone else, please don't spam this thread with hostile comments demanding Violet post in a more coherent style - if you don't understand what is being said ask questions, hostility is unncessary.

[counterblast]

feminism is somewhat sexism because when thinking of feminism it is sexism as it means you are not truly thinking of both as equal.


The goal of feminism is not to ignore the reality of present circumstances, by viewing man and woman as "equals". The goal of feminism is to combat double standards by eliminating prejudices from our own lives, while at the same time challenging the prejudices around us.

To say feminism is sexism because it recognizes sexism exists, is like saying a liberator is an oppressor because she to brought awareness to a complacent mob.

[Post-Something]

What the hell is going on in this thread!?

I was lost when she said "I am anarchy", like she was Johnny Rotten or something..

But what exactly is her argument? That calling yourself a feminist is not necessary if you are a strong female and should be avoided?

Because you can avoid it all you want, but if you strive for equality between the sexes, you hold feminist views.

Anyway, I'm going to try and read over this again...

[Decolonize The Left]

sounds like a load of post modern pseudo-beourgiose apologist claptrap to me.


Restrict.

Wow... maybe you missed Black Dagger's post two replies up, but here's what it said:


To everyone else, please don't spam this thread with hostile comments demanding Violet post in a more coherent style - if you don't understand what is being said ask questions, hostility is unncessary.

Furthermore, this thread is over - a new one has been made and can be found just below this in this forum... try and pay attention.

- August

[Lynx]

Self-empowerment can go a long way...