Can capitalism be put blame for poor education?

[Drace]

I live in the US and I think the education sucks here. Well K-12 anyways.

In Armenia you would learn 3 languages by the 4th grade...

[comrade stalin guevara]

BLAME CAPITOLISIM ALWAYS:hammersickle::hammersickle::hammersickle:
soviet children were educated in reality from an early age science,etc
most important however was scientific communisim

[Drace]

I don't like science that deals with our existence. Its crap. You cant even PROVE that gravity existed 5 billion years ago.

[Jesus Christ!]

education is largely run by the state so they are more to blame for bad education than the free market. A lot of capitalists actually support opening education up to private interests to invest and control and claim that this will result in less expensive and better education. Of course this, like many claims of capitalists, is completely incorrect and fantastical.

You could point, in more recent years, to No Child Left Behind as a major failure in the school system by being an unfunded mandate that focuses everything on constant testing and learning for tests rather than any actual education.

In a larger scope you could point to general apathy and disinterest of Americans in education. For years and years, and even continuing until today, the US is the undeniable sole superpower and therefore the majority of people well be better off than the rest of the world with or without great educations.

[comrade stalin guevara]

yeah i hate science 2
but its more honest then learning about jesus b4 you are 5

[comrade stalin guevara]

JESUS CHRIST that came out of no where im glad there is comrades who have so much info about everything kia ora comrade

[Jesus Christ!]

Well I'm a product of the American school system and my mom still works within it, so I'm well versed.

[comrade stalin guevara]

marx bless america

[F9]

of course capitalism blames.The schools instead of being a place to learn and have fun,they transformed it into a shit where you are forced to attend classes that speak for nationalism and they are proud,they honour religions(one specific only and the other religions are from satan)the have a stupid grading system,punishment for nothing etc.How can children enjoy their time in such environment and want to learn?

Fuserg9:star:

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

Capitalist education is designed not to educate but to train. There's a big difference. Education means learning about the world and oneself. Its a process of self improvement. Training on occasion allows you to learn. But more often than not training equals acquiring skills that either please your master or assist your master in some way.

Education in America is no different than training a dog. Except its far more sophisticated. Instead of teaching a few tricks american schools are designed to indoctrinate students, teach them to obey their future bosses and masters, and make sure that they have a basic understanding of skills necessary to enter the workforce (reading, writing, arithmetic).

[Drace]

Joe, so basically its shit?

I can tell you all that I have not learned a single thing in school that I have not forgotten in the next year.

I have good memory but they teach shit so I rather not even take notice of it.

I like what Fuserg said. Schools no fun at all. You cant expect a kid to sit 7 hours in a chair and listen to what you have to say. Especially when you have to teach something that you are required to because of the standard or whatever they call them. Plus I don't think they even want to teach...all about the $$$

And since there are social classes within capitalism such as emos, gangsters and other blah groups kids drift away from school. <---Not the best explanation lol

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

Joe, so basically its shit?

I can tell you all that I have not learned a single thing in school that I have not forgotten in the next year.

I have good memory but they teach shit so I rather not even take notice of it.

I like what Fuserg said. Schools no fun at all. You cant expect a kid to sit 7 hours in a chair and listen to what you have to say. Especially when you have to teach something that you are required to because of the standard or whatever they call them. Plus I don't think they even want to teach...all about the $$$

And since there are social classes within capitalism such as emos, gangsters and other blah groups kids drift away from school. <---Not the best explanation lol

It depends really. I had a number of really good teachers in school. The problem is that there seems to be fewer of those teachers these days. Now its just idiots popped out from some cookie cutter certification program. Teachers don't really make much, its a working class profession. But they do have pretty secure jobs, and sometimes they just don't give a shit.

[progressive_lefty]

I know in Australia, the capitalist have destroyed our education system. Education is just for the rich these days, a large percentage of the population has no accredited education. There are also many young people who get good high school grades but do not attend University because of the cost. In Australia, a University degree isn't as handy as it is in the US or UK, so its obvious why a lot of people are opting out of the expense of Uni and joining the working class.

[Lost In Translation]

I live in the US and I think the education sucks here. Well K-12 anyways.

In Armenia you would learn 3 languages by the 4th grade...
Capitalism is always to blame. However, you also have to look at how the annual budget is spread out. The Americans spend lots of money importing oil, beefing up their military, but not as much in, say, healthcare and education. Is the education system federally planned, or state planned? Because in Canada, each province is responsible for their own education, so it's easier to manage, and the education's pretty decent if you are in a large city.

[cyu]

Capitalist education is designed not to educate but to train. There's a big difference. Education means learning about the world and oneself. Its a process of self improvement. Training on occasion allows you to learn. But more often than not training equals acquiring skills that either please your master or assist your master in some way.


Yes, and even that, the right-wing doesn't want to pay for. They would rather have a society where only the children of the wealthy are well-educated, while everyone else stays in their particular social class.

As far as technical skills that can serve their corporate masters, you can learn good stuff. But if you want to really learn about economics or political systems, attending an American institution is like attending a seminary - it's basically religious indoctrination to promote the existing system.

[BIG BROTHER]

The worst part about education in the united states, is that even in Mexico college is free!

But yea just compare the education of the U.S. with Cuba's and you'll see a great difference.

[Magdalen]

I think the statistics that show that privately educated children in the UK are far more likely to attend top universities than pupils from ordinary comprehensives show the deliberate inadequacies built into state education.

The blatant selection bias shown by Oxford and Cambridge to students from working class backgrounds also plays its part, and of course, particularly in England (although in Scotland too, albeit to a more limited extent), the prohibitive cost of a decent university education.

We should not be bought off by the so-called "new universities", which merely offer training traditionally provided in the workplace. (This saves the capitalists in a few bucks in training costs too.) All should have the opportunity to be educated to the highest possible standards. Private education and university fees must be abolished now!

[Lost In Translation]

I think the statistics that show that privately educated children in the UK are far more likely to attend top universities than pupils from ordinary comprehensives show the deliberate inadequacies built into state education.

The blatant selection bias shown by Oxford and Cambridge to students from working class backgrounds also plays its part, and of course, particularly in England (although in Scotland too, albeit to a more limited extent), the prohibitive cost of a decent university education.

We should not be bought off by the so-called "new universities", which merely offer training traditionally provided in the workplace. (This saves the capitalists in a few bucks in training costs too.) All should have the opportunity to be educated to the highest possible standards. Private education and university fees must be abolished now!

Can anybody whip up a table of how the top Universities in the world's tuition fees compare to each other? Because all I know is they are expensive as heck, and are not exactly worth it.

[trivas7]

Absolutely. It is in the interest of the bourgeoisie that their children get a better education than those they hire and fire.

[Lost In Translation]

Absolutely. It is in the interest of the bourgeoisie that their children get a better education than those they hire and fire.
Haha, no kidding. However, it is not the school that makes the student. The student must be able to work hard, and be motivated. There are plenty of private schools of high calibre in my neighbourhood. The tuition fees for one year is comparable to buying a decent sedan each year for 5-12 years. However, I also happen to know that many of the people going there are not aspiring students, just kids with parents that have money to burn. The administration in these schools look at your intelligence (or lack thereof). They attract smart people, and dumbasses with huge wads of cash. Just goes to show that first class education isn't solely for first class students.

[trivas7]

Haha, no kidding.
There is a difference between schooling and and education. Point taken.

[ipollux]

America is too full of itself to ever change. Obama admits in a speech that it's embarassing that Americans only speak one language when many Europeans speak several, and Americans flip the fuck out instead of admitting it's true and working to change it.

[Drace]

Lol they start teaching foreign languages in high school.
You have a choice between Spanish, French or Latin...
I doubt anyone even learns a language over a semester lol.

[Lost In Translation]

Lol they start teaching foreign languages in high school.
You have a choice between Spanish, French or Latin...
I doubt anyone even learns a language over a semester lol.
Haha, that's a tall order if they think you can learn a language in one semester. Why don't they do second language classes in elementary school?

[Drace]

Pff. They are to busy teaching nothing.

Oh and its actually two semesters. My bad lol, but still.

Btw, nice quote global. I love it =D

[Charliesoo]

My public education was rather worthless and I concur that the education system in America is as bad as it can get. As a future instructor, I have seen that a broken system can become even more warped. I have been in classrooms where the materials are so scarse that many students are left behind in the classrooms. The system that is in place has been corrupt and disgusting since my days as a student. It's horrid to see the type of education that is being offered. I am glad to be attending a University and I hope that instructors in the future will be able to provide students with a quality education. The capitalist system is itself reflected in the quality of education - inequality of education.

[Drace]

I don't think materials make education any better. New books mean nothing if they have the same crap written in them.
More money to education will do nothing but have teachers wear nicer clothes coming to work.

Teachers here have to teach by standards. There are specific stuff they have to teach and there all crap. Nothing interesting that no one needs or cares about and people complain about kids not caring about school rofl.

Its like they set up a plan to make it bad.

[Charliesoo]

I don't think materials make education any better. New books mean nothing if they have the same crap written in them.
More money to education will do nothing but have teachers wear nicer clothes coming to work.

Teachers here have to teach by standards. There are specific stuff they have to teach and there all crap. Nothing interesting that no one needs or cares about and people complain about kids not caring about school rofl.

Its like they set up a plan to make it bad.

Oh, I was not talking about books. I was talking about paper and pencils. Something that every classroom should have.

I agree on the standards based curriculum. Much of it is propaganda playing into the right-wing agenda.

[Lost In Translation]

Oh, I was not talking about books. I was talking about paper and pencils. Something that every classroom should have.

I agree on the standards based curriculum. Much of it is propaganda playing into the right-wing agenda.
For me, I wouldn't put social studies or anything that involves history and politics in elementary school or middle school. Kids shouldn't have to worry about that at such a young age. When they get to junior High, then maybe we can talk about that.

I do agree with Drace and Charliesoo on the standards based curriculum. We should be teaching truth, not lies from the bible and from the mouths of the right wing ruling class. Religious teachings will have to wait until weekend church services.