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Okay it is understandable that people buy into the bias of the likes of CNN as they actually do a good job at spinning news towards the bourgeois point of view. Yet Fox News creates the most half-ass propaganda, it is so bad it almost satire on propaganda itself.
So why does Fox News exist? I doubt Fox News creates any effective propaganda and probably is counter productive.
Drace
17th July 2008, 01:39
Lol I think thats where the "We never landed on the moon" came from. They did a documentary on it.
They just care about their ratings.
Sir Comradical
17th July 2008, 02:01
Your right, fox news seems like satirical comedy sometimes....
Joe Hill's Ghost
17th July 2008, 02:29
*shrugs* Owner Rupert Murdoch wants to promote robber baron capitalism so he can continue running to the bank. The republican operatives he hired wanted a network mouthpiece to lend their hatchet jobs a perfume of respectability. Marriage made in heaven by my estimation. Everyone comes out ahead, and everyone on the left is dead.
ipollux
17th July 2008, 02:37
The fact that Fox News garners more viewers than its competition is an indication of the sad state of America and the mentality of its majority.
Jesus Christ!
17th July 2008, 02:45
I think it makes perfect sense that Fox News has better ratings than its competitors. People who watch cable news networks clearly have little interest in politics/ the truth and want a quick fix of entertainment that they can repeat to their friends to make themselves sound "in the know." What is more entertaining for that quick burst of "information?" Clearly Fox news.
ipollux
17th July 2008, 03:02
I think it makes perfect sense that Fox News has better ratings than its competitors. People who watch cable news networks clearly have little interest in politics/ the truth and want a quick fix of entertainment that they can repeat to their friends to make themselves sound "in the know." What is more entertaining for that quick burst of "information?" Clearly Fox news.
Agreed. And I think those people constantly want to be told how wonderful they are as well as their country with no dissent.
I think it makes perfect sense that Fox News has better ratings than its competitors. People who watch cable news networks clearly have little interest in politics/ the truth and want a quick fix of entertainment that they can repeat to their friends to make themselves sound "in the know." What is more entertaining for that quick burst of "information?" Clearly Fox news.
But Fox News stinks not only of propaganda but is full of racism.
Jesus Christ!
17th July 2008, 03:09
But Fox News stinks not only of propaganda but is full of racism.
Of course it is, but that all makes it more exciting which always equals better ratings.
Of course it is, but that all makes it more exciting which always equals better ratings.
But it is completely insane. For example a Neo-Nazi march in 2007 in Toledo did spark a huge reaction from the black community and Fox News painted the blacks of Toledo as barbaric thugs for throwing rocks at the Nazis, yet I would think the average viewer would see the blacks were attacking Nazis and it is good thing that the blacks beat the shit out of the fascist fucks.
mikelepore
17th July 2008, 03:43
Fox News is so bad, even Bernard Goldberg, a ultraconservative who whines about conservatives being mistreated by "the liberal media", wrote in his book 'Arrogance' that Fox goes too far. The thing that made Goldberg complain was Fox's decription of the war in Iraq. The event Goldberg cited was when Fox's "news" reports were indicating U.S. military personnel by the name "the good guys" and the Iraqi military personnel by the name "the bad guys."
Sir Comradical
17th July 2008, 04:13
Fox News is so bad, even Bernard Goldberg, a ultraconservative who whines about conservatives being mistreated by "the liberal media", wrote in his book 'Arrogance' that Fox goes too far. The thing that made Goldberg complain was Fox's decription of the war in Iraq. The event Goldberg cited was when Fox's "news" reports were indicating U.S. military personnel by the name "the good guys" and the Iraqi military personnel by the name "the bad guys."
It's gone beyond the battle between right wing and left wing. It's more about the quality of journalism.
progressive_lefty
17th July 2008, 12:07
The documentary 'Outfoxed' showed the flaws in almost every piece of Fox News footage. It got to the point where it almost wasn't funny, and just plain scary. I know that I would not support a biased leftwing news station, because more then anything it makes your side of the fence look stupid.
Agreed?
Lost In Translation
17th July 2008, 17:57
The documentary 'Outfoxed' showed the flaws in almost every piece of Fox News footage. It got to the point where it almost wasn't funny, and just plain scary. I know that I would not support a biased leftwing news station, because more then anything it makes your side of the fence look stupid.
Agreed?
Which is why I watch Fox News when I need a good laugh :D:D:D, and CNN to remind me the world is one big propaganda machine for the Bourgeois.
Sendo
18th July 2008, 04:00
The documentary 'Outfoxed' showed the flaws in almost every piece of Fox News footage. It got to the point where it almost wasn't funny, and just plain scary. I know that I would not support a biased leftwing news station, because more then anything it makes your side of the fence look stupid.
Agreed?
The sad thing is how little removed CNN and the ilk are from Fox News. Yes, Outfoxed is a sad thing to see. The Uncle Toms they bring on are the point where I have to pause the video. It becomes nearly unbearable.
jake williams
18th July 2008, 05:44
I would think the answer to the original question would have been pretty obvious. In short, they target different demographics. They produce effective propaganda which is targeted to different parts of the American population.
Fox News targets the psychotic, incomprehensibly ignorant and absurdist part of the American population, the part which supports Ron Paul types, the 20% who think Obama's a secret Muslim, the ~40% who believe things like how there's space aliens coming to get us and Jesus is coming back in their lifetimes and geologists, biologists and cosmologists are involved in a deep Evolutionist conspiracy to destroy their lives and steal their Bibles, who think there was a tangible connection between Saddam Hussein and 9/11 (ironically, a similar number of similar people think 9/11 was a Bush White House conspiracy) (I mean, Saddam Hussein was barely a Muslim, he despised the Taliban, and they despised his secular leadership, though not really for its brutality). I assure you all of these are only slight abstractions, and moreover they're only the first examples to come to my head. The one about Jesus coming back is literally true, and it's actually about 40%. This is the reality we're facing, and that's why Fox actually does work.
CNN targets people who are marginally more sensible, and think themselves substantially so. They're typically wealthier, more privileged, better educated, and hence a little more subtle, just like CNN is. That's why CNN works better for them.
RHIZOMES
18th July 2008, 06:01
http://nz.youtube.com/watch?v=blxF1aRuunc
Dros
18th July 2008, 06:46
So why does Fox News exist? I doubt Fox News creates any effective propaganda and probably is counter productive.
Afraid not.
I know a lot of people who watch it and it's changed their views over time. It's amazing. They now think that most racism is discrimination against white people.
It's sad, but Fox is very effective amongst a certain demographic.
Afraid not.
I know a lot of people who watch it and it's changed their views over time. It's amazing. They now think that most racism is discrimination against white people.
It's sad, but Fox is very effective amongst a certain demographic.
If that is the case should we pressure the goverment to revoke Fox News license to broadcast for propagating hate speech, as there as Fox News has the same view on Blacks and Mexicans as Neo-Nazi parties.
progressive_lefty
18th July 2008, 07:23
Fox News targets the psychotic, incomprehensibly ignorant and absurdist part of the American population, the part which supports Ron Paul types,
Fox News attacked Ron Paul constantly over his comments on neo-conservatives and Israel, you must be mistaken. Ron Paul supporters hate Fox News and there's even a couple of videos of them on youtube chasing Fox Commentators.
Charliesoo
18th July 2008, 07:47
Fox Network is nothing but propaganda for the Bush Administration and his so called neo-cons. They are nothing but Robber Barons and that network serves their needs.
DancingLarry
18th July 2008, 08:55
Fascists have always recognized that the most ignorant, low-brow propaganda is often stunningly effective. That's why the Nazis didn't just have Volkische Beobachter, which could pass at a glance for a legitimate newspaper, but the repulsive tabloid Der Sturmer as well as part of their propaganda apparatus. Look at the Murdoch tabloid papers all over the world, all phenomenally crude and ignorant, and all financial giants, regardless of what nation they operate in. Not being able to read Italian, I've never read a Berlusconi paper, but I bet they're of a like ilk. Fascism and the lowest common denominator make a happy pairing.
DancingLarry
18th July 2008, 08:58
The sad thing is how little removed CNN and the ilk are from Fox News.
Yes, Fox and CNN are just different takes on the same Hegemonic Narrative.
jake williams
18th July 2008, 12:18
Fox News attacked Ron Paul constantly over his comments on neo-conservatives and Israel, you must be mistaken. Ron Paul supporters hate Fox News and there's even a couple of videos of them on youtube chasing Fox Commentators.
Well it's the same demographic, generally. A lot of the same types of people, at least in some parts of the country. Ron Paul is a special case and it's complex. Fox also doesn't support conspiracy theories about aliens or 9/11, but that doesn't mean that you don't see demographic similarities between the people who believe these things and who believe Fox. Often it's even the same people, but it doesn't have to be all the same people. My point was Americans believe ridiculous things, way out of proportion to anywhere else I know except for maybe North Korea.
Ron Paul was a complete whackjob, and his supporters fall into two camps; people who are completely ignorant of what his policies actually entail, and sociopaths.
Fascists have always recognized that the most ignorant, low-brow propaganda is often stunningly effective. That's why the Nazis didn't just have Volkische Beobachter, which could pass at a glance for a legitimate newspaper, but the repulsive tabloid Der Sturmer as well as part of their propaganda apparatus. Look at the Murdoch tabloid papers all over the world, all phenomenally crude and ignorant, and all financial giants, regardless of what nation they operate in. Not being able to read Italian, I've never read a Berlusconi paper, but I bet they're of a like ilk. Fascism and the lowest common denominator make a happy pairing.
But what about the fact that the chunk of America that becomes disillusioned by Fox News? Fox News joked someone should assassinate Obama if gets elected, I would think that would be Fox News over steeping the line (calling for the assassination of a possible future US President) and am kinda expecting the FBI to fuck Fox News up for becoming a embarrassment to the ruling class.
Fox News joked someone should assassinate Obama if gets elected
I don't support assassinations, but I like to joke that if Obama gets assassinated, someone should assassinate Rupert Murdoch.
As Ben Franklin said, "He that scatters thorns, let him not go barefoot."
Lost In Translation
18th July 2008, 18:17
) and am kinda expecting the FBI to fuck Fox News up for becoming a embarrassment to the ruling class.
The FBI??!! Why would they do anything of the sort? As long as Fox News continues brainwashing the people known as the working class, it means less work for the FBI.
The FBI??!! Why would they do anything of the sort? As long as Fox News continues brainwashing the people known as the working class, it means less work for the FBI.
Why would the FBI want someone to off Obama, if he gets elected he would be no threat to the established order, yet if he was assassinated by the right it would be the assassination of JFK and MLK rolled in one in the eyes of the masses.
Also what about the people that get angry over Fox News? Fox News is like if Aryan Nations had a major mainstream news station, it makes racism in the USA stick out like a sore thumb. Eventually Fox News might spark minorities to revolt and I think FBI probably somewhat understands this.
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 01:20
Why would the FBI want someone to off Obama, if he gets elected he would be no threat to the established order, yet if he was assassinated by the right it would be the assassination of JFK and MLK rolled in one in the eyes of the masses.
Also what about the people that get angry over Fox News? Fox News is like if Aryan Nations had a major mainstream news station, it makes racism in the USA stick out like a sore thumb. Eventually Fox News might spark minorities to revolt and I think FBI probably somewhat understands this.
Point taken. But wasn't it the FBI that wanted to off MLK???
Anyways, the FBI can't do much about Fox News, can it? An investigation, sure, but what will the FBI accuse Fox News of?
Point taken. But wasn't it the FBI that wanted to off MLK???
Yes but Obama is a tool of the establishment.
Anyways, the FBI can't do much about Fox News, can it? An investigation, sure, but what will the FBI accuse Fox News of?
That hasn't stopped the FBI before.
Dros
19th July 2008, 06:35
If that is the case should we pressure the goverment to revoke Fox News license to broadcast for propagating hate speech, as there as Fox News has the same view on Blacks and Mexicans as Neo-Nazi parties.
:lol::lol::lol:
Have fun with that. Right now, I wouldn't petition the government for anything political.
tehpevis
19th July 2008, 06:39
I saw FOX news once in a resteraunt with the sound off; got what it was saying by the Subtitles
There was a guy claiming to be a former Abortionist sitting next to a fire & the caption said ABORTIONIST DOCTOR: BLOOD ON HANDS, HAS MURDERED THOUSANDS IN COLD EVIL COMMIE BLOOD or some shit like that
PURE BULLSHIT
(with richard nixon accent) LLLLLLIIIIBERAALLLLLLSSSS!!!!!!! Time is 11:43
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 06:40
Yes but Obama is a tool of the establishment.
Ah, I see.
That hasn't stopped the FBI before.
Yes, but considering that Murdoch is a big fat money-making machine, what can the FBI do about it? Yes, they can go through with it nonetheless, but even on the grounds that Fox News is displaying false information, that doesn't make a strong case, IMO, not when your opposition is a billionaire with the capability to hire great lawyers and whatnot (I'm assuming that anything that goes down regarding Fox News goes with Murdoch, so if it's not, please tell me otherwise).
:lol::lol::lol:
Have fun with that. Right now, I wouldn't petition the government for anything political.
So what were suppose to do? We can't beat up Fox News like the fascists in the streets, also Fox News reaches far more people then the fascist punks on the streets.
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 18:49
So what were suppose to do? We can't beat up Fox News like the fascists in the streets, also Fox News reaches far more people then the fascist punks on the streets.
Um...we don't watch it??? That's all I can think of at the moment. I believe you stated that you can't go around telling people to boycott Fox where you live, so I can't see how anything else can happen.
Um...we don't watch it??? That's all I can think of at the moment. I believe you stated that you can't go around telling people to boycott Fox where you live, so I can't see how anything else can happen.
We are class conscious enough that Fox News bullshit propaganda is totally ineffective against us. It is not about us, it about the people that are not class conscious to see the propaganda of Fox News. I hate the FBI but I would love for them to go paramilitary on Fox News ass and shot Murdoch in his bed like the FBI did to the left (and the FBI will do again when the left really gets back on its feet in the USA). Yhea I know it is a double standard, that when the FBI crushed the Black Panthers and AIM the media ignored it yet when the FBI fucked up the Neo-Nazis in the 1980's (after the Neo-Nazi's attacked the state) all of a sudden there was criticism of FBI tactics.
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 19:22
OK, I realize that we have to raise the awareness of the other people, but do you really think the FBI has the guts to shoot a multi-billionaire? Yes, they did do it for the left and the Neo-Nazis, but they had the sympathy (at least when they messed up the left) of the people. Also, even if we do get rid of Murdoch, we still have to go down the order to clean out everybody. Unless there's a national raid, this might take a while.
OK, I realize that we have to raise the awareness of the other people, but do you really think the FBI has the guts to shoot a multi-billionaire? Yes, they did do it for the left and the Neo-Nazis, but they had the sympathy (at least when they messed up the left) of the people. Also, even if we do get rid of Murdoch, we still have to go down the order to clean out everybody. Unless there's a national raid, this might take a while.
I do think the FBI would like the racism of Fox News to be far more subtle, not because the FBI is against racism (on the contrary) but they don't want it to be so out in the open that it is a rallying point for the masses. Right now the masses just laugh at the racism Fox News, which I think is sick, it is like laughing at the racism of the Nazis, the masses should be mad over the racism of Fox News.
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 20:02
I do think the FBI would like the racism of Fox News to be far more subtle, not because the FBI is against racism (on the contrary) but they don't want it to be so out in the open that it is a rallying point for the masses. Right now the masses just laugh at the racism Fox News, which I think is sick, it is like laughing at the racism of the Nazis, the masses should be mad over the racism of Fox News.
This is all good, but how would we bring it to the FBI's attention? We need a big organization that has seen through Fox News and has had enough. The people cannot cause such a revelation. In fact, we might have to end up fighting fire with fire. That is, getting another big news network to tell on Fox News.
I would also like to turn to other Fox divisions. Are they doing as much damage as Fox News? If we collapse Fox News, the others will follow, I guess, but are the other Fox divisions deserving of being pummeled?
tehpevis
19th July 2008, 21:00
the FBI probably will never murder Murdoch
Even though they have been Critical of the FBI, Fox is still defending the US Government's ultraconservative, bourgeois Beliefs and practically brainwashing people into believing that being exploited by Multibillionaire Capitalist Unclefuckers is a Good thing
the FBI probably will never murder Murdoch
Even though they have been Critical of the FBI, Fox is still defending the US Government's ultraconservative, bourgeois Beliefs and practically brainwashing people into believing that being exploited by Multibillionaire Capitalist Unclefuckers is a Good thing
The feudalists spewed similar propaganda yet when the peasants collectively got angry the half-ass feudal propaganda couldn't even slow down peasant uprisings and the feudal ruling classes literally lost their heads.
While Fox News is highly poisonous with the current lack of class conscious, if there was a Paris May 1968 the USA Fox News propaganda probably just pour fuel onto the fire, Fox News racists asses making a big deal of white workers being united with "evil minorities" at that point would probably just confirm what the leftist say about the bourgeois media trying to divide and conquer the working class.
Lost In Translation
19th July 2008, 23:45
OK, we've covered WHY Fox News is so evil. We've covered HOW much damage it has done to the public. But we haven't discussed how we can do anything. As drosera99 has told us, it's pretty much impossible to petition against it via the government. The FBI is pretty far-fetched for us to reach anyways. Is there anything else that we can do?
GPDP
19th July 2008, 23:54
Is there anything else that we can do?
What more can we do but expose them ourselves to as many people as we can, while pushing an alternative, radical message?
What more can we do but expose them ourselves to as many people as we can, while pushing an alternative, radical message?
Yes the liberals talk about it but well take a look Racist Explains Hip Hop Culture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY2UFaXPBKs). Simply poking holes in the racist arguments and calling the racist a right wing nut, like it is okay for the racist crap to be on the air since it comes from a right wing nut.
jctl04
20th July 2008, 04:09
We watch fox news in new zealand as comedy.
Upon reflection it is scary this is all the news that a large amount of people in the states get. It leaves their world view in a terrible state.
I can't believe how blissfully un aware so many in the states are to the world outside of their country.
The best thing to do is watch the news and then find reliable internet critique of the media eg in NZ i watch the 6 oclock news then go online and read tumeke blogspot which tells me what the coporate media have spun or chosen to ignore that day.
The sooner people start using the internet to its potential the better.
State funded independant media is a vital part of democracy, hence democracy isnt working in the states. I have heard of any jounalist criticising the US government being put on the no fly list!!!!
Cheung Mo
20th July 2008, 15:42
But it is completely insane. For example a Neo-Nazi march in 2007 in Toledo did spark a huge reaction from the black community and Fox News painted the blacks of Toledo as barbaric thugs for throwing rocks at the Nazis, yet I would think the average viewer would see the blacks were attacking Nazis and it is good thing that the blacks beat the shit out of the fascist fucks.
I know...It's like V for Vendetta, which I find to be Rambo for commies. :D
I know...It's like V for Vendetta, which I find to be Rambo for commies. :D
I made I mistake the incident in Toledo was 2005
Another example is Fox News called Anarchists thugs when conservative protesters mistaken protesting Anarchists for anti-war pacifists and decided to pick a fight, when the Anarchist easily beat the snot out of them, Fox News then called the Anarchist hypocritical for using violence totally ignoring they were flying black flags not peace flags.
GPDP
20th July 2008, 21:19
Another example is Fox News called Anarchists thugs when conservative protesters mistaken protesting Anarchists for anti-war pacifists and decided to pick a fight, when the Anarchist easily beat the snot out of them, Fox News then called the Anarchist hypocritical for using violence totally ignoring they were flying black flags not peace flags.
Hahaha, oh wow. Got a video of this?
Hahaha, oh wow. Got a video of this?
It was not caught on mainstream TV cameras, so all the networks could use was stock footage of Protest Warriors (The conservative protest group) and the Anarchists.
GPDP
20th July 2008, 21:54
Well, I meant a video of the news coverage, when they denounce them.
Well, I meant a video of the news coverage, when they denounce them.
I don't think so, since it was the inauguration of Bush Fox News quickly turned to praising Bush and saying how peace in Iraq would quickly be assured now that Bush was serving his second term.
Lost In Translation
20th July 2008, 22:37
I don't think so, since it was the inauguration of Bush Fox News quickly turned to praising Bush and saying how peace in Iraq would quickly be assured now that Bush was serving his second term.
Ok, now that's pretty messed up. With all the conservative crap with Fox News, have they admitted they favour McCain yet?
Is there anything else that we can do?
In some places, people in the community simply decided to occupy their local media outlets and broadcast their own sides of the story.
You'd have to make sure you have enough support from the community though - otherwise, the local police will be sent in to beat you all up. As long as the head of police / mayor knows the community supports this action, then they may be more reluctant to use force. It's always good to have back up though, and prepare for self-defense.
If you do start broadcasting your own stories, it would be important to keep the media truly democratic to ensure your legitimacy - if 30% want stories about A, 45% want stories about B, and 25% want stories about C, then 30% of the stories should be about A, 45% about B, and 25% about C.
Ok, now that's pretty messed up. With all the conservative crap with Fox News, have they admitted they favour McCain yet?
Take a look at this Fox News Parrots McCain Spin on NY Times Editorial Rejection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhyedUq6s8Y)
GPDP
28th July 2008, 19:52
Take a look at this Fox News Parrots McCain Spin on NY Times Editorial Rejection (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhyedUq6s8Y)
Well, I gotta hand it to those liberals. Despite their hypocrisy and naivete, at least they're good at keeping track of Fox News and their bullshit.
RedHal
29th July 2008, 07:31
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels
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