Can We Have Sensible Discussions?

[Ghost]

I am right-wing, but I'm not here to start fights or arguments, just for political discussions. Will you accept that?

[chamo]

Yes, just don't give off any racists stuff or anything else it says in the conditions. And use good tactics, no flaming or just copying and pasting.

[American Kid]

Yes, it's absolutely possible.

As making friends here is too.

quasi-moderate, patron of Che-lives,
-AK

[synthesis]

Heh, nice sig there, Kid. I dig the masturbating bear.

Ghost: Yep, you'll find yourself in good company, as long as you're not as fuckin' thick-skulled as the other capitalists here.

Learn from us and we can learn from you.

[Exploited Class]

It stops getting sensible when everybody decides to start name calling every other word (stormin! et al). You know presenting an idea, getting upset, arguing, misunderstanding, cutting ideas short because you are typing out everything, assuming you know something about the other person, its all apart of the internet.

If you are like some here, that using bashing terms every other word, nobody is gonna take you seriously and just get upset before they read your whole post and jsut flame you back.

(Edited by exploitedclass at 5:36 am on Jan. 10, 2003)

[Goldfinger]

Sure, I'd love to have a sensible discussion with a capitalist, I'm not really as ignorant as SN claims I am. If you make a good arguement that I will agree to, I'll admit it :)

[Stormin Norman]

I was once like you ghost. After suffering repeated assaults on my character, I was forced to fight back. Although I bite hard, I am capable of respectfully discussing the issues with those who deserve that courtesy. Those who do not deserve my respect, do not get it. I am not a pacifist, but I notice that liberals only promote this idea when they wish to attack somebody. Should America worry? I think so.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from DyerMaker on 4:45 am on Jan. 10, 2003
Heh, nice sig there, Kid. I dig the masturbating bear.

Ghost: Yep, you'll find yourself in good company, as long as you're not as fuckin' thick-skulled as the other capitalists here.

Learn from us and we can learn from you.


As DyerMaker suggests that we can have civilized discussions, and states that the new person will be "in good company", he proceeds to sling a vulgar insult at the right.

Beautiful, absolutely perfect.

[Ghost]

From what you are saying, the people on here sound quite volatile when it comes to beliefs.

[Invader Zim]

no only the dumb anarchists and stalinists, Ie mazdac

[Invader Zim]

Minor typo

no only the dumb anarchists and stalinists, ie mazdac

[Ghost]

I thought this was a site for supporters of Che and communism. Why do there appear to be a lot of anarchists on it?

[Invader Zim]

Because anarchy is not capatalist, and many on this site seem to think that an enemy of my enemy is my friend. Any way some of them are alright.

[mentalbunny]

Ghost, you will be very welcome as long as you don't make personal digs at the lefties. it is impossible to usually have a proper discussion, last time I was in a thread here I was dissed by the capitalists because i'm a well off lefty, or rather I have well off parents and i am not yet independent as I am only 16.

I am looking forward to having a proper discussion with you, so far I'm impressed!

[Ghost]

Thank you. Sometimes I can come across as a bit rash and blunt, but I don't usually purposely intend to insult people.

[Mazdak]

Ghost, most of these folk are embarassment to the left. Anarchists have taken most of the site basically , and those who arent anarchists are... ugh... pacificsts, or just plain children who want to look cool.

Dumb anarchists and stalinists.... lol. We are the dumb ones. Now where was that quote in another thread "I hate those dumb fucking stalinists."

That is all they can say. the Stalinists are one of the few true leftist groups who stand a chance at achieving anything simply because they know that mankind cannot be given so much freedom.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 10:24 pm on Jan. 10, 2003


That is all they can say. the Stalinists are one of the few true leftist groups who stand a chance at achieving anything simply because they know that mankind cannot be given so much freedom.

Is that why the USA was greater than the Soviets ever were, commie puke?

[antieverything]

As you have probably noticed, there are about as many serious Lefties who actually debate civilly as there are Right-wingers...as many as three.

[Blackberry]

Quote: from Ghost on 6:34 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
I thought this was a site for supporters of Che and communism. Why do there appear to be a lot of anarchists on it?


Anarchists can admire Ernesto Guevara as well. there is no hard and fast rule as to what your political ideology would be, when it comes to leftist ideologies.

[synthesis]

As DyerMaker suggests that we can have civilized discussions, and states that the new person will be "in good company", he proceeds to sling a vulgar insult at the right.

*sigh* If you've got some beef with me, you can take it to PM.

I respect those who act with maturity and open-mindedness.

But if somebody directly insults me or the comrades, I am most certainly not above retaliating in kind.

Also, notice that he said I insulted the right wing as a whole, when I very clearly only insulted those stubbornly, well, wrong capitalists here, on THIS board.....you attempted to claim that I slandered the entire right, when I obviously did not.

Having said that, I'll address one of Ghost's questions.

I thought this was a site for supporters of Che and communism. Why do there appear to be a lot of anarchists on it?

Very good question!

The answer is that governments are handled in two spectrums: the economic system, and the social system.

Communism is, essentially, ONLY a economic system; the social dimension can be handled any way the leader wishes. You will have authoritarian communists (usually referred to as Stalinists), such as the Che Guevara you listed, but you will also have libertarian socialists, such as Noam Chomsky.

Someone who is of the left in both regards would like to control the economy while allowing their citizens the greatest amount of privacy possible.

Someone who is of the right in both regards would like to privatize the economy while controlling the private lives of its citizens.

Now, the simple left-right political spectrum originated in post-revolution France has proved itself to be obsolete in many ways.

Someone can be of the left economically, but of the right socially, such as Josef Stalin. A leader can be of the right economically, but of the left socially, such as the anarcho-capitalist Libertarian party.

There can also (obviously) be those of both persuasions of their political spectrum. Augusto Pinochet would be a perfect example of the extreme right, while Karl Marx would be a great example of the far left in both regards. Marx, however, was not a leader, so we need look no further than Ghandi for a socialist ideal.

For more on this form of political analysis, view the eponymous section at http://www.politicalcompass.org.

Also, I'll be more than happy to fill you in personally if you wish.

(Edited by DyerMaker at 7:01 am on Jan. 11, 2003)

[Invader Zim]

Ghost your not Ash111 are you?

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from Mazdak on 5:24 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
Ghost, most of these folk are embarassment to the left. Anarchists have taken most of the site basically , and those who arent anarchists are... ugh... pacificsts, or just plain children who want to look cool.

Dumb anarchists and stalinists.... lol. We are the dumb ones. Now where was that quote in another thread "I hate those dumb fucking stalinists."

That is all they can say. the Stalinists are one of the few true leftist groups who stand a chance at achieving anything simply because they know that mankind cannot be given so much freedom.


why cant there be freedom mazdak?

[truthaddict11]

how come no answer? tell me please your "theory" on why people shouldnt have freedom Mazdak?

[Ghost]

Who the hell is Ash111?

[Goldfinger]

a british capitalist, just a tiny bit to the right. He's a member of Moskitto's forums, a less serious version of Che-Lives. I reccomend you join (if you're not ash111)

[Ghost]

What's the URL?

[Goldfinger]

http://www.fightcapitalism.net/users/moski...forum/index.php (http://www.fightcapitalism.net/users/moskitto/forum/index.php)

[El Che]

No, we cant. Becoz right-wingers dont make no sense, do they?

[Stormin Norman]

You mean to tell me that nothing I have said has made any sense to you, El Che? Somehow I doubt that.

[Moskitto]

i think the cappies should join cos the discussions are better and everyone's more light hearted and there isn't the elite people.

[Stormin Norman]

Do you have to join to post?

[Goldfinger]

yup

[Larissa]

Quote: from Neutral Nation on 3:27 am on Jan. 11, 2003

Quote: from Ghost on 6:34 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
I thought this was a site for supporters of Che and communism. Why do there appear to be a lot of anarchists on it?


Anarchists can admire Ernesto Guevara as well. there is no hard and fast rule as to what your political ideology would be, when it comes to leftist ideologies.

BTW, Camilo Cienfuegos was an anarchist + Che's best friend.

[antieverything]

I don't really agree with Che's politics so much as I aspire to follow his example as a womanizer!

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Apocalypse When on 10:19 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
a british capitalist, just a tiny bit to the right. He's a member of Moskitto's forums, a less serious version of Che-Lives. I reccomend you join (if you're not ash111)


Ash111 is a very right wing person when it comes to europe and asylum seekers.