wtf is that?

[danyboy27]

i was looking in my province for the names of the communist party and other stuff like that, and shit seem pretty fucked up.

at first, there is the regional bureau of the communist party of canada, division quebec or something like that, seem well organized, serious, and i might be interested to join them.

THEN i learned that there was a second communist party, result of a internal struggle inside the division of my province, that lead to the creation of the parti communist of québec, a communist party that support independence and that is not affiliated with hte communist party of quebec.

AND

i got a party called revolutionary communist party, look like a bunch of communist, but those look pretty agressive, it seem that to them the only way out is agitation, and that we must eventually use gun against the bourgeois and wipe them out completly. they told that they where not trying to participate to the elections beccause this system will never work and that the only way out was violent protest.during a military parade in my city (i am not proud of my system but those soldier are my comrades) they tried to storm the whole place and disrupt the parade.

shit is really fucked up here, and if you ask me, i am more likely to work for the canadian communist party, the revolutionary party seem verry violent and with time got more hated by people here.

[al8]

Why would you side the the death squads of the capitalist state anyway? The revolutionary party seem more genuine to me.

[Bear MacMillan]

The Communist Party of Canada are social-democrats, not communists.
I used to float with that boat until I woke up and realized they weren't really communists. Same with the Parti Communist de Quebec.

There is another organisation you might not have heard of; the International Marxist Tendancy. They have a Montreal chapter if you're interested.

[danyboy27]

the big problem is, i was looking for something different, you know, people with idea, i think that we should constantly question the way communism should be done in order to make it advance, and that we should not fall into sectarism and ties stronger link with other people from other countries rather than looking for our own agenda. I think we should learn to be pragmatic in our actions, and concentrate our efforts in a concise and precise way. sitting and doing nothing like the canadian communist party, and making shit all over the place like the revolutinary party of quebec, all that dosnt feel like me. Yet, the only one so far that was actiling like grown man was the communist party of canada, the other acted like frustrated hangry kid, and i hate that completly immature behavior, they wasted all their effort of making a manifestation that made the whole sector hating them for their brutal behavior.

[comrade stalin guevara]

is the International Marxist Tendancy. got a chapter in nz

[Bear MacMillan]

the big problem is, i was looking for something different, you know, people with idea, i think that we should constantly question the way communism should be done in order to make it advance, and that we should not fall into sectarism and ties stronger link with other people from other countries rather than looking for our own agenda. I think we should learn to be pragmatic in our actions, and concentrate our efforts in a concise and precise way. sitting and doing nothing like the canadian communist party, and making shit all over the place like the revolutinary party of quebec, all that dosnt feel like me. Yet, the only one so far that was actiling like grown man was the communist party of canada, the other acted like frustrated hangry kid, and i hate that completly immature behavior, they wasted all their effort of making a manifestation that made the whole sector hating them for their brutal behavior.

But the point is, the Communist Party of Canada is social-democratic, not communist.

They have failed to attack the root of capitalism; private property, and actually think they can gain any signifigant ground in the bourgeois democratic parlimentarian system.

[BIG BROTHER]

Why don't you check out our "Socialist Alternative" branch in Canada.


CANADA
www.SocialistAlternative.ca (http://www.socialistalternative.ca/)
903-633 Bay St.
Toronto, Ontario
Canada M5G 2G4
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If not I guess you could go to with the Revolutionary communist party, I personally wouldn't do it, because they sound a little too sectarian but is better than being a social democrat.

[danyboy27]

i have to admit they didnt achieved nothing so far, that why that suck so bad.

sometime i think myself has a socialist, but when i think again i realize that some of my idea are really communist.

i think that maintaining all those poor countries into a state of povrety just to permit us to live on that confortable pristine like that we have is a crime, we should share has much has we can our technological progress with them, help them to have a better life

i think that capitalism will not last, and will eventually self destruct, we must do something in that way, but the world changed during all those decades and we must move to new way of fighting, i dont know them yet, but i think that we should be able to find something.

[OI OI OI]

Note: I am not trying to advertise anything I am just going to present my personal opinion.




the big problem is, i was looking for something different, you know, people with idea, i think that we should constantly question the way communism should be done in order to make it advance, and that we should not fall into sectarism

Along with user Bear McMillan I would recommend the International Marxist Tendency. The International Marxist Tendency is the least sectarian communist organization with a correct theory (not fucked up like the RCP or social-democratic like the PCQ and separatist. The IMT escapes by sectarianism by using entrism in mass organizations and unions while doing open work and doing events with other leftists. I would elaborate more on that if you are interested. Send me a pm if you want more info.



and ties stronger link with other people from other countries rather than looking for our own agenda.

thats why the IMT is an internation with really strong ties between different sections. The IMT has sections in more than 50 different countries.


I
think we should learn to be pragmatic in our actions, and concentrate our efforts in a concise and precise way. sitting and doing nothing like the canadian communist party, and making shit all over the place like the revolutinary party of quebec,
Thats why the IMT upholds the transitional program. There are transitional demands that we use to reach out to workers right now(and being pragmatists) which we cal the minimum program and of course the maximum program which is socialist revolution!






all that dosnt feel like me. Yet, the only one so far that was actiling like grown man was the communist party of canada, the other acted like frustrated hangry kid, and i hate that completly immature behavior, they wasted all their effort of making a manifestation that made the whole sector hating them for their brutal behavior.
The communist party of canada unfortunately although it is the most serious of the three , it is based on nationalism , stageism and many other theoretical errors. Here (http://www.marxist.ca/content/view/251/45/) is a good critique on the CPC.
I wouldn't suggest that you join them.


PM me for more info if you want.

[Lost In Translation]

Anybody know if there are IMT chapters in Vancouver??? Cuz we're arguably the most liberal city in Canada, but we are devoid of a leftist party (or so i think)

[ipollux]

It could be worse. You could be in the Southern U.S.

[Q]

Hello spetnaz21, welcome to the boards.
If you're looking for a party or organisation that wants to overthrow capitalism instead work within its framework (that's what social-democratic parties do) and build a socialist alternative to it, you might find the Trotskyist alternative more interesting. Like earlier mentioned there is the IMT, but Socialist Alternative (http://www.socialistalternative.org/about/) also has a section in Canada.

Read into our ideas and contact us if you agree with them and want to be an active participant in putting capitalism in the history books!

Edit:
OI3: you mention the IMT has sections in no less than 50 countries, but (for lack of finding a better source) wikipedia mentions only 29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Tendency). Could you give me a source?

[Yehuda Stern]

I used to float with that boat until I woke up and realized they weren't really communists. Really? Is that how it worked? You "woke up" and realized it?

It's really pathetic how all the groups try to persuade this guy to "check out" their sections. Why don't you try to convince yourself right here? Why be so sly about the whole thing? Don't you think it just makes you look stupid to a possible recruit?

So I'll be forward about my group. We're a small group in Israel, and we do not have any co-thinkers in Canada. We believe, however, that not only are the Communist Party and its split reformist in the same way as the NPD, that is, they believe in achieving socialism through the parliament, we believe that the different groups like the IMT and Socialist Alternative are centrist, meaning that they use revolutionary rhetoric but in the end support reformism. We support, in Israel-Palestine, the setting up of one Palestinian workers' state all over the land, where Jews who will not fight against the revolution will have equal rights. We believe the Stalinist states to have been a statified form of capitalism (and no, we're no SWPers or Cliffites), and that specifically, the USSR turned capitalist after the counterrevolution in the late 1930s. And while we do not believe that revolutionists should be cooped up in a reformist party for decades, we support trade union work where possible, and work in the anti-war movement and in the reformist parties when necessary.

If any of this sounds interesting to you, I'll be glad if you contact me somehow so we could discuss these ideas.

[Q]

Really? Is that how it worked? You "woke up" and realized it?

It's really pathetic how all the groups try to persuade this guy to "check out" their sections. Why don't you try to convince yourself right here? Why be so sly about the whole thing? Don't you think it just makes you look stupid to a possible recruit?

Sly? I think I was pretty clear. I have nothing to hide.
The guy is interested in joining a group, we're giving him options.

[OI OI OI]

OI3: you mention the IMT has sections in no less than 50 countries, but (for lack of finding a better source) wikipedia mentions only 29 (http://www.anonym.to/?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Marxist_Tendency). Could you give me a source?

Wikipedia is not updated.
Jorge Martin came to my area from the international centre and he told me that the IMT just got its 54th section in El Salvador. That's how I got the number 54.

[Unicorn]

Hello,

I recommend the Communist Party of Canada.
http://www.communist-party.ca/

The Trots and Maoists think that the Spetznaz was in the service of a degenerated bureaucracy or "social imperalists" so those parties are probably not for you.:cool:

[Dros]

The RCP is the only Communist group in Canada.

Their line is the correct, Communist, and Leninist line. Revolution is the only way out because the electoral system is by design an instrument of bourgeois dictatorship. They are the only pary in Canada that has this uniquely Communist outlook.

[Bear MacMillan]

[quote=Yehuda Stern;1194832]Really? Is that how it worked? You "woke up" and realized it?quote]

I didn't just "wake up", I reread their party outline and critically analyzed the organization. It wasn't meant literally :rolleyes:

[danyboy27]

tanks for all your invintations comrades, i am gonna look for your stuff, but i kinda love the idea of the international marxist tendency, i havnt took my decision yet, i am gonna look foward for other stuff but i tanks you all so far.

but there is something i am pretty sure, i am not join the quebec communist revolutionary party, for many good reason of mine.