If America is so Bad, why are you living here? - Cuban jokes

[Guest]

If living in America is so bad and we are bastards, why are you here? Go back to your country and see if you can live the good life. I guess you are here because of a reason right? America is not perfect, nothing on this planet is, but folks I rather live here then in any other country, (I have traveled to Mexico, Dominican Rep., Spain, Panama, England, France, and Brazil). In reference to jokes, so what? We poke fun at ourselves and everyone else. Loosen up a little and don't be so up tight!

[synthesis]

Ahh, the patriot's mindset.

"Millions of American soldiers fought and died for your freedom of speech, and you dare to criticize America?! If you don't like it, then get the hell out!"

Needless to say, this causes me to laugh out loud every time it is proposed. They suggest that since our ancestors fought and died for our right to freedom of speech, we should then waive those rights?

*sigh

[Goldfinger]

Sure, why not just support nazism? Being white, I would have more rights in a nazi country, especially with all those jewish slaves working for me. Hell, if I'm alright, then nothing else matters, I guess.

[guerrillaradio]

Topics such as the above only further the case for the banning of the option for Guests to start topics.

[Stormin Norman]

From: Dyermaker
Ahh, the patriot's mindset.

"Millions of American soldiers fought and died for your freedom of speech, and you dare to criticize America?! If you don't like it, then get the hell out!"

Needless to say, this causes me to laugh out loud every time it is proposed. They suggest that since our ancestors fought and died for our right to freedom of speech, we should then waive those rights?

*sigh

That would have been a very profound remark had the guest said anything of that nature, dyermaker. Like all liberals who are guilty of fuzzy math, your extrapolation proved to draw false conclusions. The guest did not say anything about the blood of his forefathers, or waiving his rights to freedom of speech. I think he accurately recognized your transparent anti-Americanism, and posed a question about why such a critic would not choose to move to a country that more closely reflects Marxist ideology. I believe he was asking you a similar question. Why would you choose to use your first amendment rights in order to demolish the institutions that guarantee them?

AP,

Your comment was equally irrelevant.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 3:14 am on Jan. 8, 2003)

[Capitalist Imperial]

As usual, I agree with SN here. You liberals didn't even understand the guests post, or at least interpolated it to fit your commie whims, thus being more easy to refute than the actual point.

I have dedicated posts to this exact same topic. You leftists here take a passionate anti-american or anti-western stance, but you continue to live here and enjoy the milk and honey. It is hypocricy at its finest.

Most of the leftist's responses to this claim is basically, "I want to change things here".

What these red pukes don't realize is that they are just a very, very small, misguided minority, and the vast amjority of Americans want no such change of the type and scale suggested by these pinkos.

Besides, as I have said in the past, these are mostly just middle class american kids trying to be different, or idealistic, or what have you. They are still living in mom and dads house, eating for free, and are playing armchair revolutionary from their American-invented PC through the American-invented internet.

The point is, why would a true marxist really entertain the idea of discussing a marxist revolution or even continue to live in a nation whose very foundation and fabric runs contrary to marxist/communist ideals?

[canikickit]

blah, blah, blah, blah.....

I'm glad I don't live in the US, I'm happy where I am.

This guest strikes me as a fool.

[Som]

The point is, why would a true marxist really entertain the idea of discussing a marxist revolution or even continue to live in a nation whose very foundation and fabric runs contrary to marxist/communist ideals?

Because It's home?

That along with it being damn inconvienent to leave and start over somewhere new.

Its that simple.

Theres no socialist country that meets much of ideals, so theres no ideal place to run off too, Its one capitalism over another, moving to a third world dictatorship that quite a few here wouldn't support anyway doesn't sound very enticing either.

In the end, most wont let their ideals screw them.

[Invader Zim]

America is a shit hole of corruption and squaller and im glad i dont live there. (Damn so is Britain)

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 3:10 pm on Jan. 7, 2003

From: Dyermaker
Ahh, the patriot's mindset.

"Millions of American soldiers fought and died for your freedom of speech, and you dare to criticize America?! If you don't like it, then get the hell out!"

Needless to say, this causes me to laugh out loud every time it is proposed. They suggest that since our ancestors fought and died for our right to freedom of speech, we should then waive those rights?

*sigh

That would have been a very profound remark had the guest said anything of that nature, dyermaker. Like all liberals who are guilty of fuzzy math, your extrapolation proved to draw false conclusions.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 3:14 am on Jan. 8, 2003)

Unfortunatly we are not liberals though. We have a left wing perspective of life. If your a liberal then why are we here arguing with you. If we were liberal we would not need to.

Forgive me if you all are of course. But i find it unlikley. You may have a liberal aproach to communism/facism/capatalism or what ever but you arnt dead in the middle of the left right thing are you.

(Edited by AK47 at 9:18 pm on Jan. 7, 2003)

[Raztro]

Once im old enough...im moving...i had to come here because of the intifada...

[Exploited Class]

Your comment was equally irrelevant.

A. his comment is not irrelevant. The guest was doing a patriotic stance of "love it or leave it". A common theme dating back to ancient Greece and Plato. If it wasn't a patriotic stance he wouldn't have chosen countries to demonstrate as being worse than America, although he doesn't demonstrate or define exactly what a broad and simple term such as better entails. That is a blind patriotic vision of one's country. That is the mindset that he attacked.

I think he accurately recognized your transparent anti-Americanism, and posed a question about why such a critic would not choose to move to a country that more closely reflects Marxist ideology.

America is a set of defined borders on soil, Americans are people who have either been born within those defined borders or who has moved here and gained citizenship. There is not a religion or belief system called Americanism. But hey, good job on being a ditto monkey and regurgitating Fox News "Words of the Week".

You think that this guest did such an accurate recognition? Okay if that was accurate with the terms like, "If living in America is so bad and we are bastards, why are you here? " and oh this thought provoking statement like, "America is not perfect, nothing on this planet is, but folks I rather live here then in any other country"

So I guess if those are so accurate, then you think that somebody shooting the broad side of a barn from 20 feet away is a sharp shooter? And as for recognition, you must recognize that pre-school finger paintings are works of art.

Like all liberals who are guilty of fuzzy math
I loved it how like Bush when he said that, he said it like 20 times because it was funny and he had absolutely no numbers on hand to refute what Gore said. All he could say was "fuzzy math", "fuzzy math" hahahahahaha that was hilarious that he had absolutely nothing to back up that funny and catchy terminology. You do you know that, that awesome and information filled catch phrase of "fuzzy math" was a neato burrito marketing term? It had no weight to it or validity to back it up, but it was fun to hear him say it, like 20 times with no additional information. Do you sing commercial jingles to yourself Stormin? Especially those neat ones filled with so much information and not at all vapid like, "where's the beef?"

The guest did not say anything about the blood of his forefathers, or waiving his rights to freedom of speech.
Might as well have, it is the same blind patriotic dumbass statement like dyermaker’s point. Of course he didn't come right out and say, "Love it or leave it." he re-worded it a bit more, perhaps the re-wording confused your fuzzy mind? “These colors don’t run, love it or leave it, they died so you could say that.” Those are all the same blind patriotic statements made in the same mindset of ignorance. They are said because they mean nothing and attacking somebody for being patriotic is heresy in this country after a good 40’s and 50’s pumping of patriotic propaganda.

I believe he was asking you a similar question. Why would you choose to use your first amendment rights in order to demolish the institutions that guarantee them?

Where did the guest say anything to that effect Normin? I don’t see anything even coming close to your statement. Ohhhhh putting words in other people’s mouths. Good job, way to deflect the argument from a weak comment by the guest to your tired re-treaded statement. Nobody wants to demolish the institutions that guarantee rights, unless of course you mean social and economical inequality guarantee me first amendment rights. I guess privatization, guaranteed poverty, the rich people of this country being richer than kings and queens, protect my freedom of speech. You do know what a democratic socialist is, I hope; socialism does not equate to removal of human rights. If anything it guarantees them, the socialists of the world revel in the love of their freedoms. With an economic equality system in democracy perhaps then finally people’s voice will be heard and not sold to them through the commercial ads and media press controlled by the ruling class.



(Edited by exploitedclass at 11:23 pm on Jan. 7, 2003)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Raztro on 9:53 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
Once im old enough...im moving...i had to come here because of the intifada...


yeah, ok, we'll see

[MEXCAN]

Hey CI you like Reagan ??Here is a beautiful quote from a beautiful "MIND"!!!

"Facts are stupid things."
- Ronald Reagan, Former U.S. President

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from MEXCAN on 12:39 am on Jan. 8, 2003
Hey CI you like Reagan ??Here is a beautiful quote from a beautiful "MIND"!!!

"Facts are stupid things."
- Ronald Reagan, Former U.S. President



I need context before I can address this quote. Maybe he was joking. Maybe this was commentary on the danger of relying too much on statistics.

Ronald Reagan is one of history's greatest leaders!

[El Brujo]

Most people don't choose where they were born, do they now (or in my case, where they were taken too when they were too young to notice, same shit)?

(Edited by El Brujo at 9:37 am on Jan. 8, 2003)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from El Brujo on 1:35 am on Jan. 8, 2003
Most people don't choose where they were born, do they now (or in my case, where they were taken too when they were too young to notice, same shit)?

(Edited by El Brujo at 9:37 am on Jan. 8, 2003)


Does that mean they have to stay?

[El Brujo]

In certain cases, yes. They may be underage and not be able to leave, they may not be able to afford to move or they may have to finnish their education.

[canikickit]

Capitalist Imperial, when you're avatar was changed, why didn't you just leave?

[Capitalist Imperial]

I amm confident that 99 out of 100 Americans on this board will never leave the USA. If they do, they'll be back in 2 weks after they learn to appreciate what they had.

[El Brujo]

If they are guided by greed, maybee.

[sin miedo]

In response to the guest's question:

Yes, I am critical of the U.S. on many, many issues. And yes, I am a U.S. citizen, and no, I don't intend on leaving the country anytime soon. Why? First, I like where I live. I like the people, I like the weather (most of the time), and I don't think that the my hometown or the U.S. is full of "bastards." Also, while I am far from what most would consider a patriotic "American," I do feel fortunate that I was born here. Now, I despise Nationalism, no one can choose where he/her is born, so why believe your home country is somehow intrinsically superior to any other; but I have lived a comfortable life here (so far), and I feel it is my duty to attempt to help others who have not been as fortunate. I need to try and make the U.S. better, to see that it actually lives up to it's potential, and to stop it from being the root of so much of the worlds' problems.

Oy, I know that sounds goofy, but I'm very tired.

[Paratrooper]

Commies guided by greed? Who would have thought. Anyways, one of the oldest "love it or leave it examples" can be found in Plato's Phaedo, in which Socrates chooses to die rather than leave his native Athens. That could never be the justification of the commies in this site though, because, frankly, they hate America. So I don't know whether Socrates's example would do them any good.

[Umoja]

I'm an American to, and I love New Jersey. I love where I live, I love being middle class, and I love having a nice shiny computer to type on, but I realize this all comes at a heavy price of other human beings, and I ask myself, if I could fight to not have everyone be poor, why shouldn't I? Of course I can't leave my old life-style (anytime soon), but I understand it's wrong at the very least.

[Mindovermatter]

I am also a New Jersey native. I didn't choose to be born in the United States, and I am not going to say that I wish I was born anywhere else. Yes, it is nice to live in a peaceful neighborhood and have all these material items such as my computer I am using now, but that doesn't justify the way America treats other people, other countries, and its own people. Giant firms control the mass media, and shape political and cultural image, its taught here to be busy busy busy, that you don't worry about anything else, that yeah it sucks for other people but its not your problem. Were not all so blind that we can't see through that, and just because were set doesn't mean, we just want to set back and not help others, or try to change our own system. Will the result of it, make of life now harder, but the sake of others peoples lives better, than whats so bad about that? Were all not conceded and egocentric contray to popular belief, or just to just obvisoly ignorant people.

[El Brujo]

Well, I think the whole world is full of bastards, not just Amerika. Its just a higher percentage here (due to the brainwashing and deliberate misinformation by the big time bastards that run the country and try to run the rest of the world).

[synthesis]

I'm joining the Peace Corps in a couple of months, hopefully.

[Exploited Class]

I have moved to other countries. I went to Bulgaria and lived there for over 7 months. I loved it, it had many advantages over America. Granted it didn't have everything America did and I mean that in a way like they had pretty much everything America did just not to the extreme like you find in America. They have color tvs, they don't have 51 inch tv's because it isn't needed.

They put all their energy into enducation, social events, books, conversations, public transportation, not owning the latest greatest thing. They put energy into personal goals, goals, learning and mastering other languages. I was able to speak to people years younger than myself, in English (foreign language for them) on topics like philosphy and knew more and could better explain than I could. They didn't make work the center of their universe, the worked less than 40 hours a week, there was little pressure from bosses.

They have all the basic needs, refrigerators, stoves, washers and dryers. They just exercise control of their wants, or logicaly know the difference between needs and wants.

I'd move back in a second as long as I can take all my friends and my family over there with me. I also want to be able to take American Radio and TV stations with me, only because the BBC sucks to listen to after a while and it is hard to be surrounded a second language all the time. I also doubt that I would qualify as to move to Bulgaria since I don't have a lot of applicable skills.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from canikickit on 1:56 am on Jan. 8, 2003
Capitalist Imperial, when you're avatar was changed, why didn't you just leave?


Why would I let something a s simple as that make me leave?

As an American, I don't back down.

[RGacky3]

Why don't we just leave???
well, why did'nt george washington "just leave" he was'nt happy with the things going on, Why did'nt lenin just leave, infact at the time lenin was out numberd by cappies, so one could have said at that time, why don't you just leave, your not going to change anything. Its very simple guest, most of us have hope, and wan't to change things. Some of us may live of the fat of the land, but we don't nessesarly think its right, we live in a capitalist society, where we must survive, its not like we like that we are living in a capitlist society, or we like having to fight to survive. its not hypocritical.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I've read several of thwse posts, many of you saying...

"I like living here, and some of my material things, and my middle class lifestyle, I just don't like that its at the expense of others, blah, blah, blah".

If you were true revolutionaries, or even really believed this drivel, you would not have a computer, or live in the US. You would forgo these luxuries to help the unfortunate, bottom line.

[xe11]

And thats the problem with americans, they cant consider change. People living in America have the same rights as you, if they think there's problems with america there's nothing wrong with discussing them and bringing up its flaws, its the only way the country will ever get better. Saying that they should get out is crap. Yeah alot of countries have problems right now, but if you keep that attitude revolution would never happen. In countries with problems, when everyone complains, well just tell them all to leave, right?

[canikickit]

If you were true revolutionaries, or even really believed this drivel, you would not have a computer, or live in the US. You would forgo these luxuries to help the unfortunate, bottom line.

You're making an ass of yourself. That's complete speculation. Why do you feel people must adhere to your definition of a revolutionary?


Why would I let something a s simple as that make me leave?

As an American, I don't back down.

Fair enough, but a lot of you and your ilk often say things along the lines of "don't like it, leave". I take it you don't like it here, given your seemingly ceaseless complaints. You must be a masochist.

"as an American, I don't back down"

What a retarded statement.

[Capitalist Imperial]

just because you live in a nation accustomed to subjogation, you don't need to be jealous.

[sin miedo]

Yep CI, that statement officially makes you an idiot.

(Edited by sin miedo at 5:15 am on Jan. 9, 2003)

[Tkinter1]

"And thats the problem with americans, they cant consider change."

Our Judicial, Legislative and business worlds are CONSTANTLY changing. The US has been changing since it was founded. What are you talking about?

[Capitalist Imperial]

San miedo, you were officially an idiot already.

BTW, its good to know that others (leftists) can offend me withoud recourse, but it is only when I am fasicious that I am the idiot.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 12:45 am on Jan. 9, 2003)

[synthesis]

...it is only when I am fasicious that I am the idiot.

I don't normally do this, because I hate it when assholes point out my spelling or grammar errors.

But, IT'S SPELLED FACETIOUS! FACETIOUS, GOD DAMMIT!

WHY CAN'T ANYONE EVER GET THAT RIGHT?!

[/outburst]

[RedCeltic]

Capitalist Imperial... I just have one question...


.... did you draw this?


http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/pe111340481afbc43d71cb5e506bfc78a/fd1a23e2.jpg.orig.jpg

[canikickit]

just because you live in a nation accustomed to subjogation, you don't need to be jealous.

You've got me. Please forgive me. I'm so oppressed by Bertie Ahern that I often take it out on others.

news.bbc.co.uk/.../newsid_1871000/ 1871360.stm


Just look at the scheming bastard. He's up to something.

[Stormin Norman]

"Do you sing commercial jingles to yourself Stormin?"

No, but I can recognize a particularly effective advertising campaign. Good marketing is something that I find respectable. However, it does seem in short supply these days.

"I love New Jersey"

Ha! Ha! Ha! What a shithole! New Jersey is probably one of the ugliest states in the union!

"I'm joining the Peace Corps in a couple of months, hopefully."

It would be pretty pathetic if even the Peace Corps. rejected your application. Now that would make me laugh, because they will accept anyone. Working for free is for chumps. Goodluck anyway. At least you are trying to put your pinko money where your pinko mouth is, and for that I give you credit.

[Umoja]

Yeah, New Jersey must be pretty shitty, that's why the Population has gone up dramatically in the past few decades from Seven Million to Eight million..... Right..... Where do you think New Yorkers move to?

[Stormin Norman]

I think the population of most states, with the exeption of Montana increased over the last ten years, Umoja. It's okay, I still consider New Jersey to be apart of America and therefore a great place to live. However, I have been there, and I was not impressed. Some have called it the toxic waste dunp of America, but I feel that's a little strong. There might be some truth to that statement since they have a large liberal demographic.

[RedCeltic]

Jersey is ugly only around New York City... which is why New Yorkers and people who visit it have such a poor conception of it. I know myself as I drive through Elizabeth I NEVER drive through with the windows down for as they say you can smell Jersey before you see it.

George Carlen also said, "Jersey is called the Garden state... yea if your growing smoke stacks... it should be called the tole booth state as your in a constant state of slowing down!"

However all this is fairly inaccurate. New Yorkers hate it when people think that this rather large state is all like New York City so we shouldn't pretend that New Jesey is all like Elizabeth, Newark, Trenton etc... I think Western New Jersey is pritty. :)

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:19 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
As usual, I agree with SN here. You liberals didn't even understand the guests post, or at least interpolated it to fit your commie whims, thus being more easy to refute than the actual point.

I have dedicated posts to this exact same topic. You leftists here take a passionate anti-american or anti-western stance, but you continue to live here and enjoy the milk and honey. It is hypocricy at its finest.

Most of the leftist's responses to this claim is basically, "I want to change things here".

What these red pukes don't realize is that they are just a very, very small, misguided minority, and the vast amjority of Americans want no such change of the type and scale suggested by these pinkos.

Besides, as I have said in the past, these are mostly just middle class american kids trying to be different, or idealistic, or what have you. They are still living in mom and dads house, eating for free, and are playing armchair revolutionary from their American-invented PC through the American-invented internet.

The point is, why would a true marxist really entertain the idea of discussing a marxist revolution or even continue to live in a nation whose very foundation and fabric runs contrary to marxist/communist ideals?


I'm sorry, I haven't read all the posts yet, I jsut had to reply to this.

I am only 16 and my parents are paying for my educaiton so I can't really just leave now and move to another, socialist country. Also the UK could so easily move to the left, we just need all the people who would vote Lib Dem to actually vote Lib Dem and we'd be sorted and on our way!

I had considered moving to Cuba, just as a passing whim, but I like living in a democracy (although I admit the UK isn't much of one!). The Netherlands would also be good as they have proportional representation which means a lot to me.

So there you have it, my stance on living in the UK. I do actually want to visit the US, just to see what it's really like, if it's really as full as stupid people as it seems to be.

Ok, now I've read all of the thread and there are a few more comments I'd like to make:

I appreciate my material possesions. I am very lucky, my father has a large enoguh income and my parents both have large enough savings to put three children through public (ie private, fee-paying) school adn pay our university fees. They have enough money to own a quite large house and to buy another smaller house in France while living in England so they can do it up and live there when my father retires (my mother does not work, she has to look after her mother who lives with us). I go abroad at least once a year, I have a gererous allowance and eat well at home and have good quality clothes. I feel very lucky for all of this, many people in my ****ry have much less than this, let alone the rest of the world. Is it wrong for me to enjoy having these things and to call myself a leftisit? From what CI says that must be a contradiction in terms, but when did i listen to CI? (Answers on a postcard, clue: try "never"!)

I am sorry about the typos, hope it is readable.

(Edited by mentalbunny at 5:56 pm on Jan. 9, 2003)

[Stormin Norman]

Apparently, Mentalbunny is unable to learn from her own country's history. It seems she forgets how poorly the Collective Consensus turned out. Be my guest, give it another wurl. Perhaps this time socialism won't fail, like it had every other time in history.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 5:36 pm on Jan. 9, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:19 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
As usual, I agree with SN here. You liberals didn't even understand the guests post, or at least interpolated it to fit your commie whims, thus being more easy to refute than the actual point.

I have dedicated posts to this exact same topic. You leftists here take a passionate anti-american or anti-western stance, but you continue to live here and enjoy the milk and honey. It is hypocricy at its finest.

Most of the leftist's responses to this claim is basically, "I want to change things here".

What these red pukes don't realize is that they are just a very, very small, misguided minority, and the vast amjority of Americans want no such change of the type and scale suggested by these pinkos.

Besides, as I have said in the past, these are mostly just middle class american kids trying to be different, or idealistic, or what have you. They are still living in mom and dads house, eating for free, and are playing armchair revolutionary from their American-invented PC through the American-invented internet.

The point is, why would a true marxist really entertain the idea of discussing a marxist revolution or even continue to live in a nation whose very foundation and fabric runs contrary to marxist/communist ideals?


I'm sorry, I haven't read all the posts yet, I jsut had to reply to this.

I am only 16 and my parents are paying for my educaiton so I can't really just leave now and move to another, socialist country. Also the UK could so easily move to the left, we just need all the people who would vote Lib Dem to actually vote Lib Dem and we'd be sorted and on our way!

I had considered moving to Cuba, just as a passing whim, but I like living in a democracy (although I admit the UK isn't much of one!). The Netherlands would also be good as they have proportional representation which means a lot to me.

So there you have it, my stance on living in the UK. I do actually want to visit the US, just to see what it's really like, if it's really as full as stupid people as it seems to be.

Ok, now I've read all of the thread and there are a few more comments I'd like to make:

I appreciate my material possesions. I am very lucky, my father has a large enoguh income and my parents both have large enough savings to put three children through public (ie private, fee-paying) school adn pay our university fees. They have enough money to own a quite large house and to buy another smaller house in France while living in England so they can do it up and live there when my father retires (my mother does not work, she has to look after her mother who lives with us). I go abroad at least once a year, I have a gererous allowance and eat well at home and have good quality clothes. I feel very lucky for all of this, many people in my ****ry have much less than this, let alone the rest of the world. Is it wrong for me to enjoy having these things and to call myself a leftisit? From what CI says that must be a contradiction in terms, but when did i listen to CI? (Answers on a postcard, clue: try "never"!)

I am sorry about the typos, hope it is readable.

(Edited by mentalbunny at 5:56 pm on Jan. 9, 2003)


Translation: You are 100% correct, CI!!!!

[Invader Zim]

Why exactly is New Jersy a shit hole? Ive never been there.

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 7:43 pm on Jan. 9, 2003

Quote: from mentalbunny on 5:36 pm on Jan. 9, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:19 pm on Jan. 7, 2003
As usual, I agree with SN here. You liberals didn't even understand the guests post, or at least interpolated it to fit your commie whims, thus being more easy to refute than the actual point.

I have dedicated posts to this exact same topic. You leftists here take a passionate anti-american or anti-western stance, but you continue to live here and enjoy the milk and honey. It is hypocricy at its finest.

Most of the leftist's responses to this claim is basically, "I want to change things here".

What these red pukes don't realize is that they are just a very, very small, misguided minority, and the vast amjority of Americans want no such change of the type and scale suggested by these pinkos.

Besides, as I have said in the past, these are mostly just middle class american kids trying to be different, or idealistic, or what have you. They are still living in mom and dads house, eating for free, and are playing armchair revolutionary from their American-invented PC through the American-invented internet.

The point is, why would a true marxist really entertain the idea of discussing a marxist revolution or even continue to live in a nation whose very foundation and fabric runs contrary to marxist/communist ideals?


I'm sorry, I haven't read all the posts yet, I jsut had to reply to this.

I am only 16 and my parents are paying for my educaiton so I can't really just leave now and move to another, socialist country. Also the UK could so easily move to the left, we just need all the people who would vote Lib Dem to actually vote Lib Dem and we'd be sorted and on our way!

I had considered moving to Cuba, just as a passing whim, but I like living in a democracy (although I admit the UK isn't much of one!). The Netherlands would also be good as they have proportional representation which means a lot to me.

So there you have it, my stance on living in the UK. I do actually want to visit the US, just to see what it's really like, if it's really as full as stupid people as it seems to be.

Ok, now I've read all of the thread and there are a few more comments I'd like to make:

I appreciate my material possesions. I am very lucky, my father has a large enoguh income and my parents both have large enough savings to put three children through public (ie private, fee-paying) school adn pay our university fees. They have enough money to own a quite large house and to buy another smaller house in France while living in England so they can do it up and live there when my father retires (my mother does not work, she has to look after her mother who lives with us). I go abroad at least once a year, I have a gererous allowance and eat well at home and have good quality clothes. I feel very lucky for all of this, many people in my ****ry have much less than this, let alone the rest of the world. Is it wrong for me to enjoy having these things and to call myself a leftisit? From what CI says that must be a contradiction in terms, but when did i listen to CI? (Answers on a postcard, clue: try "never"!)

I am sorry about the typos, hope it is readable.

(Edited by mentalbunny at 5:56 pm on Jan. 9, 2003)


Translation: You are 100% correct, CI!!!!


Translation:

CI says, "I am a stupid capitalist with no life and no brain, which is why I make such stupid comments that no one with an ounce of sense would ever believe, but of course my capi chums don't have any sense, or they wouldn't be capis, so I've got some support there!"

[sin miedo]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:43 am on Jan. 9, 2003
San miedo, you were officially an idiot already.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 12:45 am on Jan. 9, 2003)


Then where's my certificate? And I am not Saint Fear, but very clever if you intended to do that.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 9:50 pm on Jan. 9, 2003
[quote]

Translation:

CI says, "I am a stupid capitalist with no life and no brain, which is why I make such stupid comments that no one with an ounce of sense would ever believe, but of course my capi chums don't have any sense, or they wouldn't be capis, so I've got some support there!"


Sounds like I hit pretty close to home.

Don't you have some tea and crumpets to prepare? You sound pretty privleged to me. Its easy to claim leftist when you don't pay your own bills, ma'am.

You brits are all soft. No wonder we defeated you in the revolution (and that was when we were mere colonies against your empire), and then surpassed your nation in less than 200 years.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 11:39 pm on Jan. 9, 2003)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from sin miedo on 11:05 pm on Jan. 9, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:43 am on Jan. 9, 2003
San miedo, you were officially an idiot already.

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 12:45 am on Jan. 9, 2003)


Then where's my certificate? And I am not Saint Fear, but very clever if you intended to do that.


"Sin Miedo"

Only fools have no fear

Heroes have fear, but face it.

[canikickit]

You brits are all soft. No wonder we defeated you in the revolution

tee, hee, hee. You're such a sack of shit. I love "flaming".

[Guest]

Sounds like I hit pretty close to home.

Don't you have some tea and crumpets to prepare? You sound pretty privleged to me. Its easy to claim leftist when you don't pay your own bills, ma'am.




True, CI.

All 'mentalbunny' is a little rich girl.A spoiled one at that, just a little rich daughter of a stock exchange company CEO.She probably talking to us on her new sparkly Dell with a 9.5mbps T3 connection in her 75m bedroom with bright white wallpaper and a nice little $3000 bedset, course she paid for non of it.Mommy and Daddy paid for it out of their $3500 weekly pay cheeks.Oh course she realised that the hardworking middle class and poor hate her guts.So what does she do? Plays the "I'm a leftist and I care about the poor" bullshit.Her mommy and daddy probably have already bought her the latest Che t-shirts and have had custom sweaters with his face stamped on it.'Mentalbunny' will always be the confused little rich British girl who is clueless.

[Umoja]

Guest, that's not a real leftist view that's a Democrat view along with the one I really hate "We love Black people, but keep them in Ghettos. Now all you Black people send us your votes!"

Hey, Red Celtic, I live outside of Newark and having been around the country, I'd think it resembles your typical California suburb outside of Anaheim, LA area, besides the trees and the weather.

[Guest]

Ok, I am living in Italy right now. And I have one thing to say to all of those americans who are saying they would love to live in Cuba or some socialist country like that. You are all spoiled *****es. The truth is, I am liberal. I believe many things the administration wants to do outside its borders right now are flawed. But, for you americans, know that they have given you everything you have. There is twice as much money in Wall Street now as all of the other top eight economies in the world combined. People are dying to go to your country everyday. I have relatives in New York that are millionares because their grandparents went on a boat with nothing for a better life. More people immigrate to America than any other country. You american communists are to ignorant and spoiled to understand that your middle class is the rest of the worlds top 5%. The government spends more on every person in its nation, than any other socialist country in the world and it still maintains capitalism. Tell me why everybody immigrates to America if it is so bad, and I will be quiet. Until then, go to another country without the money you made in America, and see how lucky you are to live in that country.

[Stormin Norman]

I don't get it either, Guest. I am not sure whose views are make me sicker; the lost generation of communists bastards here, or the white supremacists at the Creativity Church. Both of them suffer from a severe lack of decency.

[Paratrooper]

This to mentalbunny:

I am a 26 year old Cuban-American, and I tell you: go live in Cuba for a year. Now, don't take Papa's money with you, go live in Cuba as a Cuban. I'm sure you'll enjoy the drunkness, the crime, living without electricity or running water most of the time, the interminable Fidel Castro rants, one of the highest suicide rates in the world. (Our suicide rates are not higher because we can always hop on a raft and try to make it to the States.) When you do that, we'll see whether your leftist views remain.

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from Paratrooper on 12:58 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
This to mentalbunny:

I am a 26 year old Cuban-American, and I tell you: go live in Cuba for a year. Now, don't take Papa's money with you, go live in Cuba as a Cuban. I'm sure you'll enjoy the drunkness, the crime, living without electricity or running water most of the time, the interminable Fidel Castro rants, one of the highest suicide rates in the world. (Our suicide rates are not higher because we can always hop on a raft and try to make it to the States.) When you do that, we'll see whether your leftist views remain.

Is it a crime to be 16? You make it seem like one. I'm sorry if I have not lived under every system in the world, I'm sorry for the family I was born into, i'm sorry for my lack of experience and omniscience, but give me a fucking break, ok!

So I have parents who are well off, but they aren't as rich as you think they are, you are making assumptions that you are not qualified to make.

I said I thought about Cuba, as many people have passing thoughts about doing something they would never do. I have free will, I can choose to live where I like. Do you really think I'd take my Dad's money if I did go to Cuba, you think that little of me?

You don't knwo me, you don't know my life so I suggest you stop judging me. Ok, I have food, I have electtricy and currently I don't have to pay for anything. But my parents don't buy my che t-shirts, I don't wear che t-shirts! I'm not like that, I don't own a golddigga hoody with che's face on it, I actually have a brain and I use it, but I'm sorry if I haven't had that much practise at using it yet.

I have lived through mroe than you think I have lived through, which I don't feel the need to go into here. Why don't you consider the fact i have a conscience, unlike pretty much every other person my age who I know, who really don't seem to appreciate what they have. So what if I'm a "litte rich girl", which incidentally I'm not, I just happen to be quite well off, at least I'm thinking about the rest of the world and want it to be better for everyone. in fact I'm willing to make sacrifices, but it's difficult because my parents are more conservative than I am and want me to be more like them and have loads of things that I don't feel I need. But at 16 I am not really my own person. I can't move out so I have to live by my parents' rules.

[Don Amodeo]

Ok, I am the Italian kid who wrote earlier. Nobody wrote back and I am asking everybody to think about why America has the highest immigration level, if its system is so flawed. I really want to hear what you guys have to say about this one.

-And oh yeah, lets all give mentalbunny a little slack. We're judging her but we really don't know how hard of a life she's had not being able to buy che guevara t-shirts and all.

[Hampton]

I don't leave America because I don't want to be subjected to America's horrible foreign policy.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Don Amodeo on 2:32 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
Ok, I am the Italian kid who wrote earlier. Nobody wrote back and I am asking everybody to think about why America has the highest immigration level, if its system is so flawed. I really want to hear what you guys have to say about this one.

-And oh yeah, lets all give mentalbunny a little slack. We're judging her but we really don't know how hard of a life she's had not being able to buy che guevara t-shirts and all.


Don Amodeo, I love what you are saying here, you speak volumes about what America is, and how one should appreciate it!

I wish there were more non-Americans like you in this forum!

[xe11]

[i]
"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country 'tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beautiful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the oice of liberty be mute?"

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from Don Amodeo on 2:32 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

-And oh yeah, lets all give mentalbunny a little slack. We're judging her but we really don't know how hard of a life she's had not being able to buy che guevara t-shirts and all.


I can just hear the sarcasm. Ok, you really want the details, cos I'm not about to air them. if you need them then ask, if you don't then stop giving me shit, ok?!

obviously America isn't all bad, as a developed cointry it has alot of things that other places don't have, and of course once you are there it is pretty hard to escape, but several americans have, my mum has loads of friends who are american but now live in the UK and France, and they don't like Bush, what a suprise!

I am not denying that the US has some advantages, it's wonderful because you can go skiing and sunbathing all in one country, but if I wanted that then I'd move to France because that has good wine as well.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 8:26 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

Quote: from Don Amodeo on 2:32 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

-And oh yeah, lets all give mentalbunny a little slack. We're judging her but we really don't know how hard of a life she's had not being able to buy che guevara t-shirts and all.


I can just hear the sarcasm. Ok, you really want the details, cos I'm not about to air them. if you need them then ask, if you don't then stop giving me shit, ok?!

obviously America isn't all bad, as a developed cointry it has alot of things that other places don't have, and of course once you are there it is pretty hard to escape, but several americans have, my mum has loads of friends who are american but now live in the UK and France, and they don't like Bush, what a suprise!

I am not denying that the US has some advantages, it's wonderful because you can go skiing and sunbathing all in one country, but if I wanted that then I'd move to France because that has good wine as well.

"Escape"? America is hard to "escape"?

To the contrary, ma'am, America has open borders. It is one of the easiest places to enter and leave. What is your logic?

BTW I am sure there are thousands of Americans living in europe, as I am sure most of it is nice. However, there are many more ex-europeans in the US than there are Americans in Europe! More people want to come here.

BTW, you can go skiing and sunbathe in the very same day in California, and California wine is much better than French wine!

[Moskitto]

when i was 3 one of my best friends was american, where we lived there was a USAF base,

ah, i miss wilstead.

[Don Amodeo]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 9:26 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

Quote: from Don Amodeo on 2:32 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

-And oh yeah, lets all give mentalbunny a little slack. We're judging her but we really don't know how hard of a life she's had not being able to buy che guevara t-shirts and all.


I can just hear the sarcasm. Ok, you really want the details, cos I'm not about to air them. if you need them then ask, if you don't then stop giving me shit, ok?!

obviously America isn't all bad, as a developed cointry it has alot of things that other places don't have, and of course once you are there it is pretty hard to escape, but several americans have, my mum has loads of friends who are american but now live in the UK and France, and they don't like Bush, what a suprise!

I am not denying that the US has some advantages, it's wonderful because you can go skiing and sunbathing all in one country, but if I wanted that then I'd move to France because that has good wine as well.


Sorry if I came off as rude, as I am new. But you must put things in perspective and realize how trivial a che guevara shirt is compared to the problems the world is facing right now. You want problems, go to the world outside of N. America, Europe, Japan, and Australia. So many have died because they can't get a seventy cent tube, enough food every week, or because they are still being effected by the ex-communist rule/rape over their countries. Sure, maybe you have problems, but ask yourself what capitalism and the american government has to do with them. Because, I can tell you that life wouldn't be much sweeter under a communist state where the only thing that matters is the whole, and not every individual effort and struggle. STRAIGHT UP COMMUNISM WONT EVER WORK.

[xe11]

im sure she didnt mean it was hard to actually escape america, but probably something more along the lines of being hard to escape the american life, and to just give up her life and go live in a new place, which is also a quitters way out, when it would be better to stay and try to fix the problems with your country.

Californian wine is better than french??

[Capitalist Imperial]

Have you had napa or sonoma valley wine? It is world-class.

[Umoja]

The entire reason I became a Socialist is because I looked at why I was living such a life of luxury that I never earned, and not even aknowledging it. I'd be depressed because a girl dumped me, while people were starving in Uganda but still had the spirit to be happy in church. That's the problem, and there is a solution other then saying that the people earned. There is a solution other then saying everyone in America has a fair chance, make them a fair chance.

[mentalbunny]

Don Amodeo, my problems do not consist, even remotely, of my inability to buy a che t-shirt, you obviously did not understand what I was saying, but I am not getting at you for this, please note!!

How can you say that californian wine is better than french wine? Oh, french food is also better!!

xe11 has hit the nail on the head, well done comrade!

Umoja, you are also 100% correct. There will always be sadness and some kinds of suffering in the world but at least we can try to alleviate some like hunger and poverty.

[synthesis]

Have you had napa or sonoma valley wine? It is world-class.

You can take your fuckin, Somoza valley wine or whatever, or your Vin de les Grenouilles, I'll take a heaping glass of Jim Beam anyday of the week ;)

[bombeverything]

Quote: from Guest on 6:21 am on Jan. 7, 2003
Go back to your country

Ahem, sorry can you please explain to me how someone owns a piece of land?

[Paratrooper]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 2:24 pm on Jan. 10, 2003

Quote: from Paratrooper on 12:58 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
This to mentalbunny:

I am a 26 year old Cuban-American, and I tell you: go live in Cuba for a year. Now, don't take Papa's money with you, go live in Cuba as a Cuban. I'm sure you'll enjoy the drunkness, the crime, living without electricity or running water most of the time, the interminable Fidel Castro rants, one of the highest suicide rates in the world. (Our suicide rates are not higher because we can always hop on a raft and try to make it to the States.) When you do that, we'll see whether your leftist views remain.

Is it a crime to be 16? You make it seem like one. I'm sorry if I have not lived under every system in the world, I'm sorry for the family I was born into, i'm sorry for my lack of experience and omniscience, but give me a fucking break, ok!

So I have parents who are well off, but they aren't as rich as you think they are, you are making assumptions that you are not qualified to make.

I said I thought about Cuba, as many people have passing thoughts about doing something they would never do. I have free will, I can choose to live where I like. Do you really think I'd take my Dad's money if I did go to Cuba, you think that little of me?

You don't knwo me, you don't know my life so I suggest you stop judging me. Ok, I have food, I have electtricy and currently I don't have to pay for anything. But my parents don't buy my che t-shirts, I don't wear che t-shirts! I'm not like that, I don't own a golddigga hoody with che's face on it, I actually have a brain and I use it, but I'm sorry if I haven't had that much practise at using it yet.

I have lived through mroe than you think I have lived through, which I don't feel the need to go into here. Why don't you consider the fact i have a conscience, unlike pretty much every other person my age who I know, who really don't seem to appreciate what they have. So what if I'm a "litte rich girl", which incidentally I'm not, I just happen to be quite well off, at least I'm thinking about the rest of the world and want it to be better for everyone. in fact I'm willing to make sacrifices, but it's difficult because my parents are more conservative than I am and want me to be more like them and have loads of things that I don't feel I need. But at 16 I am not really my own person. I can't move out so I have to live by my parents' rules.


No, I don't think it is a crime to be 16 (at 16, I was writing "Abajo Fidel" on the walls of Havana.) I mentioned your age in passing, not as a put down. I don't assume anything about what would you do, but in my life experience I have come across fellow Cubans who go back to the Island for two weeks, party, have sex with several women, and come back *****ing about how much they have to work here. They forget of course, they were able to do those things with the power of the almighty dollar, the one they brought from the States.

I don't expect you to be omniscient, but I do expect you to think critically. You mention you have a conscience; I assume by that you mean you care about the conscecuences of your actions in how they affect other people? I ask you this, think about the conscecuences of practicing socialism. Think of the Soviet Gulags, the Chinese "Cultural Revolution", the Cambodian death camps, as well as modern Chinese represion, North Korean Hunger, Cuban hopeleness.

If you want to have a clean conscience, then, forget Socialism, and embrace individual freedom. The common thread of those regimens I mentioned, as well as of dictatorships left and right, is the philosophy of altruism. In such societies, the individual must sacrifice his wealth, life, and happiness for the "common good." Reject this, and live your life for excellence, and your conscience will be served.

Well, that's overpreachy, but I hope that's enough of the "fucking break" you asked me for.

[xe11]

california disgusts me. Smog and garbage everywhere, till you hit the fake california around disneyland.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 6:30 pm on Jan. 11, 2003
Don Amodeo, my problems do not consist, even remotely, of my inability to buy a che t-shirt, you obviously did not understand what I was saying, but I am not getting at you for this, please note!!

How can you say that californian wine is better than french wine? Oh, french food is also better!!

xe11 has hit the nail on the head, well done comrade!

Umoja, you are also 100% correct. There will always be sadness and some kinds of suffering in the world but at least we can try to alleviate some like hunger and poverty.


California wine easily competes with french wine!!!

And french food is OK, but it is very pretentious.

I'll take a good pizza, a bacon cheeseburger, steak, or tacos over french food any day!!!

[Umoja]

Only Steak and a Burger are American! Get that other bullshit outta here! <Sarcasm>

[Exploited Class]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:37 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
Have you had napa or sonoma valley wine? It is world-class.


World Class? Yes just like the Yankees are winners of the "World Series".

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from exploitedclass on 9:52 pm on Jan. 13, 2003

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 11:37 pm on Jan. 10, 2003
Have you had napa or sonoma valley wine? It is world-class.


World Class? Yes just like the Yankees are winners of the "World Series".

Its called that because the worlds' best play in american baseball leagues. No other nation could field a team that could beat an american major league team, and everyone knows this.

[MEXCAN]

Give cuba,puerto-rico or the dominican republic the same money the yankees have,and they will kick the living shit out of the yanks anyday !!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from MEXCAN on 11:27 pm on Jan. 13, 2003
Give cuba,puerto-rico or the dominican republic the same money the yankees have,and they will kick the living shit out of the yanks anyday !!

LOL, yeah, right. We invented the game, and no one will EVER , EVER beat us at it!!!!

[RedComrade]

The U.S invented capitalism, empire etc.? If you are stupid enough to think the U.S is doing something unique your dumb. The forces of today are nothing more than the results of the past and the U.S is just the manifestation of these past lessons from history. The average American citizen or government official does nothing special to make his country superior. The U.S superiority is largely based upon its hegemony of military might and its monetary and natural resources... The U.S is certainly the brillant genius state you seem to think it is like all things in history it shall decline and fade, it will be beaten and erased just as everything shall be. Honestly CI wisen up a bit your stupid arrogance is beyond humor man....

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

If anyone who opposed the US left the US, there would no longer be progress beacuse everyone would agree on the currently enstated system and it would remain the same forever.

[mentalbunny]

CI, how is french food pretentious? How is is pretentious to eat real meat and real vegetables and have to have real talent to cook that way? How is it good to eat stuff that is bad for your body? You have twisted logic... but then I suppose you are a capitalist, supporting something that is bad for you and for others, so it makes sense that you will eat food that it bad for you too.

[Don Amodeo]

Quote: from RedComrade on 3:26 am on Jan. 14, 2003
The U.S invented capitalism, empire etc.? If you are stupid enough to think the U.S is doing something unique your dumb. The forces of today are nothing more than the results of the past and the U.S is just the manifestation of these past lessons from history. The average American citizen or government official does nothing special to make his country superior. The U.S superiority is largely based upon its hegemony of military might and its monetary and natural resources... The U.S is certainly the brillant genius state you seem to think it is like all things in history it shall decline and fade, it will be beaten and erased just as everything shall be. Honestly CI wisen up a bit your stupid arrogance is beyond humor man....


Actually, I have to say you're part right. The U.S. is the nation created after all of the lessons in history taught the creators of the constitution not to create another kindgdom with no freedom and no way of moving up in civil society, because a society where an individual is born, and cannot choose his/her way of life, is a step behind the hunters and gatherers who walked the earth 15,000 years ago. Before the American Constitution was created, freedom had never existed for those born into a family outside of royalty. And America became stronger and stronger over the years because it was not made up of any one nationalistic race/religion, just a big mixing pot of everything. They had no original ideas after the creation of the constitution, but the idea to bring in so many different peoples with ideas native to their nationalities, created the most successful idea in the history of the world. The U.S. is no perfect empire. But compare the American system with that of all of the other socialist countries, with all of the past superpowers, and you will see what a big evolution has happened. It is the effect of globalization at its best, because what gives somebody more knowledge about the world than living next door to athiests, Arabs, asians, italians, africans, irish, latin americans, buddhists, and blond haired blue eyed christians all at the same time. With the same rights for all and the same oppurtunity to become something for all. America was started on the backs of immigrants, and exists today the same way. On the backs of every individual, and where everybody believes that they can become somebody, that they can make something of themselves without having to rely on the govt. to give it to them. Thats why America is how it is. Some people thought they wanted a govt. with as little power as possible in all matters, including economic, and it happened. And this original idea, this experiment, has become the biggest victory for freedom in the history of the world. But I also agree that the U.S. will unfortunately be destroyed by those who take advantage of its values and lax laws from the inside for their own individual purposes (Enron, ImClone, the white supremacy groups, WorldCom, the mafia, murderers like Mumia Abu Jamal, the self-involved ignorant politicians, and the church), and those who can't understand America outside the borders who choose not to use their right of protest against America (which is ironically the invention of America) but choose instead to take up arms and kill civilians with no discrimination so as to push a cause (Bin Laden and all of the other terrorists out there).

[xe11]

Canadians invented Basketball, and were really proving that american team can beat us at it.

Funny how when French's food, a part of french heritage is brought up against American, the food that represents American food is fast food crap.

[Stormin Norman]

A Frenchman invented basketball, correct. However, it was created in the U.S.. That makes it an American invention.

[xe11]

If an american came to canada and invented something, Americans would claim it was an American invention...but whatever, that wasnt the point of my post.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from RedComrade on 2:26 am on Jan. 14, 2003
The U.S invented capitalism, empire etc.? If you are stupid enough to think the U.S is doing something unique your dumb. The forces of today are nothing more than the results of the past and the U.S is just the manifestation of these past lessons from history. The average American citizen or government official does nothing special to make his country superior. The U.S superiority is largely based upon its hegemony of military might and its monetary and natural resources... The U.S is certainly the brillant genius state you seem to think it is like all things in history it shall decline and fade, it will be beaten and erased just as everything shall be. Honestly CI wisen up a bit your stupid arrogance is beyond humor man....


I was talking about baseball, not politics, you imbecile.

BTW, it is funny how you say that no americn citizen or official does anything to make this country great, yet it is the greqtest nation ever to have existed.

It must be "magic fairy dust" instead.

It was nothing but individuals that made this nation great. The USA did not start out as an all-powerful, economically viable nation. We created our destiny. We did it with people, RC, people!


You are an idiot to not understand this.

[xe11]

America is not the "greqtest" nation ever in created or whatever you said. America may be rich right now, but how long has it been an economic power? Not long. It may have come out on top after world war 2 but there is still many nations that have been better run, richer, and have lasted longer.

And a strong economy and large army dosnt make a country the greatest nation. It may make it powerfull but America still is doing alot of bad things to the planet and do the world.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from xe11 on 7:00 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
America is not the "greqtest" nation ever in created or whatever you said. America may be rich right now, but how long has it been an economic power? Not long. It may have come out on top after world war 2 but there is still many nations that have been better run, richer, and have lasted longer.

And a strong economy and large army dosnt make a country the greatest nation. It may make it powerfull but America still is doing alot of bad things to the planet and do the world.

actually, xe11, there has never been an nation richer, ever

and in my opinion, we are the greatest nation ever

just because you disagree doews not make it so

We are:

#1 economically

#1 military

#1 industrially

#1 in % of college grads

#1 in technology

most revolutuionary inventions of the 20th century

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 7:13 pm on Jan. 14, 2003)

[mentalbunny]

How true, xe11, thenUS violates many human rights throughout the world, how could they possibly be the greatyest? It is all myth, pure myth and no substance.

[Umoja]

Comparitevly we are the greatest nation on Earth, but that's only because we've set higher standards which will be completely different in another 300 years.

[Moskitto]

actually, at it's height, the British Empire was much more dominating over the rest of the world than the US could ever imagine to be.

If 1 US citizen get's mugged in France does America demand compensation and if they refuse send a fleet to bomb them? no. Britain used to.

Does a US passport protect anyone from arrest, violence and being forced against their will in a foreign country? no. British passport used to.

Does the US control 1/4 of the worlds population? no, Britain did.

Does the US dominate the Steel, Coal, Cotton markets to such an extent they can demand higher prices for their goods? no, Britain did.

sure it was in the past, but one day you're precious USA will be in the past and will be replaced by people from annother super power saying how theirs is the greatest of all time.

[xe11]

And just because you believe it is so dosnt make it true either.

There has been countries stronger militarily and richer than the states.

Most of your collage grads come from other countries.

[Ghost]

Don't forget that we practically ruled all the seas and oceans too! ;)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from xe11 on 10:13 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
And just because you believe it is so dosnt make it true either.

There has been countries stronger militarily and richer than the states.

Most of your collage grads come from other countries.


everything you said here was wrong, sir

there has never been a stronger military, or a richer nation, and most of our graduates are american citizens


you are full of it, sir

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:58 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
actually, at it's height, the British Empire was much more dominating over the rest of the world than the US could ever imagine to be.

If 1 US citizen get's mugged in France does America demand compensation and if they refuse send a fleet to bomb them? no. Britain used to.

Does a US passport protect anyone from arrest, violence and being forced against their will in a foreign country? no. British passport used to.

Does the US control 1/4 of the worlds population? no, Britain did.

Does the US dominate the Steel, Coal, Cotton markets to such an extent they can demand higher prices for their goods? no, Britain did.

sure it was in the past, but one day you're precious USA will be in the past and will be replaced by people from annother super power saying how theirs is the greatest of all time.


come on moskitto, that is not a good comaparison.

at the height of the british empire, we didn't even have electricity

comparing empires from different centuries is comparing apples and oranges

btw, it could be argued that we do control more than 1/4 of the worlds population economically

we are talking nowadays, and the UK is our lap dog

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from mentalbunny on 9:41 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
How true, xe11, thenUS violates many human rights throughout the world, how could they possibly be the greatyest? It is all myth, pure myth and no substance.


Go back and read my facts. It is all substance. It is you who lacks substance, at least I gave reasons

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:58 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
actually, at it's height, the British Empire was much more dominating over the rest of the world than the US could ever imagine to be.



LOL, LOL, I just had to read that again.

What a joke, LOL, LOL

[El Brujo]

The main reason AmeriKKKa is so fucking rich is because it rips other countries off by policing the world at its own advantage:

*"The people elect an anti-AmeriKKKan president that won't give in to yankee greed. Overthrow him/her with a fascist dictator that cares more about yankee interests than his own people and problem solved."

*"A country is doing bad economically. Let's take advantage of the situation and "loan" them some money which, by the time they will be able to pay back, will be swamped in interest, creating an ednless cycle where they will depend on us and have to succumb to our greed (never mind the enormous foreign debpt we owe to the rest of the world which would bring the biggest depression in the world to us if we had the honesty to pay it back)."

*"Were having economic problems. Why don't we distract the population with a nice little war, which, by the time the brainwashed populations attention comes back to the economy, we have already stolen the other countries oil and won't be in an economic crisis anymore."

Theres your lovely fucking "honest, hard-working amerikan" ethic to practice.

[Umoja]

I was reading something, and it turns up in the United Arab Emirates, even though poverty is virtually non-existant because of government programs, they pay absolutely no taxes. Maybe I should move their, I mean the only bad thing is they aren't democratic....

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Umoja on 1:40 am on Jan. 15, 2003
I was reading something, and it turns up in the United Arab Emirates, even though poverty is virtually non-existant because of government programs, they pay absolutely no taxes. Maybe I should move their, I mean the only bad thing is they aren't democratic....

You'd better hope you are not a female!

[Moskitto]

Unfortunately CI, It's true.

In the Mid 1800s someone in Greece was beaten up by some locals so the British government decided they wanted some compensation from the Greek government, And as they would they refused.

So because 1 citizen was attacked in Greece the British set a fleet to go and destroy the Greeks navy.

Are you suggesting that the US would do the same for 1 insignificant citizen? no they wouldn't. Only the British would do that because only the British have ever had that much power over the rest of the world.

And the British controlled a lot more than 1/4 of the world economically.

The US is not the greatest empire of all time.

[mentalbunny]

Quote: from Ghost on 10:19 pm on Jan. 14, 2003
Don't forget that we practically ruled all the seas and oceans too! ;)


In fact that contributed a lot to our power, without our navy we would have been nothing.

[xe11]

The uk at its peak was stronger than America. There has been countries stronger. Also America has still only been strong for a short period of time, it has alot to prove. And military power dosnt make a country the greatest nation of all time. Military power usually ends up corrupting a country and making it a menace.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:34 am on Jan. 15, 2003
Unfortunately CI, It's true.

In the Mid 1800s someone in Greece was beaten up by some locals so the British government decided they wanted some compensation from the Greek government, And as they would they refused.

So because 1 citizen was attacked in Greece the British set a fleet to go and destroy the Greeks navy.

Are you suggesting that the US would do the same for 1 insignificant citizen? no they wouldn't. Only the British would do that because only the British have ever had that much power over the rest of the world.

And the British controlled a lot more than 1/4 of the world economically.

The US is not the greatest empire of all time.


Sorry, Moskitto, You are incorrect sir.

Dedicating an entire Navy and the associated overhead to "revenge" for the follies of one citizen does not make an empire powerful, merely foolish.

All it does is exemplify how a nation would squander its resources disproportionately to an end that is insignificant. What did the british empire gain from this action? Nothing.

If the United states sees a significant benefit to flexing its sphere of influence, it does so. That is good empire management. Only using resources to make your position even better.

The American empire did more in the last 100 years than the British empire did in 1000.

America is History's greatest empire. The facts and statistics are in America's favor.

Sorry.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from xe11 on 5:56 pm on Jan. 15, 2003
The uk at its peak was stronger than America. There has been countries stronger. Also America has still only been strong for a short period of time, it has alot to prove. And military power dosnt make a country the greatest nation of all time. Military power usually ends up corrupting a country and making it a menace.


How so?

wht countries have been stronger?

I'll tell you: None!

No one has ever had the GDP of the US, or the military,

Certainly not the Naval power of the US, that is by far and easily the greatest Navy of all time. One American Carrier battlegroup can destreoy almost any other nations entire Navy! Even the Soviets never built 1 single nuclear carrier!



we also have the greatest # of significant inventions in the last 100 years, and the greatest cultural impact in the last 100 years

you can compare no empire to America, as we are the greatest of all time!!!

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 6:35 pm on Jan. 15, 2003)

[xe11]

To which point? Corrupting and making it a menace? Look at America for an example of this. Its what happens when people get power, they get big on themselves and use it to much. Its the same for a country.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from xe11 on 6:32 pm on Jan. 15, 2003
To which point? Corrupting and making it a menace? Look at America for an example of this. Its what happens when people get power, they get big on themselves and use it to much. Its the same for a country.


America also gives. No one gives out as much $$$, humanitarian aid, and debt relief to the world as the USA.

[Goldfinger]

but then they take even more.

[xe11]

Compared to how many innocent they kill im bombings? Compared to how many injustices they've done? They give relief to cities while the media's around.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from xe11 on 6:58 pm on Jan. 15, 2003
Compared to how many innocent they kill im bombings? Compared to how many injustices they've done? They give relief to cities while the media's around.

you know that that is not true, or that simple

[Guest]

What the hell are you guys playing at? my country was better than yours, no it wasnt? Who the hell cares none of you guys were the ones to make those countries what they are our were, u are merely sheep, uve been brainwashed for so long by propaganda that you believe that kind of status is important. and on another point, America gives out more in aid that any other country? yes maybe but thats because they are the greedy ba*tards who are takin it from those countries, every year more wealth is made from the african continent and goes into american pockets than goes back in the other direction. When will we stop bickerin over jack sh*t and share the wealth? u want to stop terroisism, crime, poverty, famine? then take ure finger out of ure god damn asses and and hav some empathy for other people! When will the american public see through the god damn bull sh*t being spoon fed to them by the corporations that control bushes government and realise that there ARE other people in the world. If America truely want to be known as the greatest civilization of all time, then they shud learn from where the british empire failed and realise that there downfall will be there own greed, a civilization who continuously line their pockets will eventually be put down by its enemies, a civilization who gets the power that america has and then uses it to bring about true world freedom, equality and peace will stand the test of time, and truely be great.


Anyone who wants to pick wholes in that come on im waiting.

[Guest]

jesus christ! quoting ronald reagen? yes good idea qoute a great man! only america would could be propagandaed enough to vote an ACTOR into the white house.

[Moskitto]

OK CI, let's think about it this way, how many battleships does the US have?

At it's height and upto WW1, Britain had Twice As many battleships as every other country in the world, put together. This means even if Germany, France, Russia, Italy, The Ottomans, Austria, The US all decided that they wanted to invade Britain in one global alliance, Guess what? they'd be outnumbered 2:1.

The example of Greece is to show the extent of their dominance over the rest of the world. So many resources that it can intervene in an assault on 1 measly citizen.

Britain bombed a palace in Zanzibar because someone wanted to be Sultan.

If you ever got into trouble abroad, I could just say I have British citizenship, they'd leave me alone.

If I decided to go to Wilstead and beat up some Americans how many nukes is America going to fire at us? None, cos we'll fire ours back at them.

NO ONE HAS EVER HAD THIS MUCH POWER OVER THE WORLD.

It is a well established fact amoungst historians that the British Empire was the greatest Empire of all time, well above the US.

[Moskitto]

Annother one, East India Company, Most powerful private company in history, In the British Empire.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 7:46 pm on Jan. 15, 2003
OK CI, let's think about it this way, how many battleships does the US have?

At it's height and upto WW1, Britain had Twice As many battleships as every other country in the world, put together. This means even if Germany, France, Russia, Italy, The Ottomans, Austria, The US all decided that they wanted to invade Britain in one global alliance, Guess what? they'd be outnumbered 2:1.

The example of Greece is to show the extent of their dominance over the rest of the world. So many resources that it can intervene in an assault on 1 measly citizen.

Britain bombed a palace in Zanzibar because someone wanted to be Sultan.

If you ever got into trouble abroad, I could just say I have British citizenship, they'd leave me alone.

If I decided to go to Wilstead and beat up some Americans how many nukes is America going to fire at us? None, cos we'll fire ours back at them.

NO ONE HAS EVER HAD THIS MUCH POWER OVER THE WORLD.

It is a well established fact amoungst historians that the British Empire was the greatest Empire of all time, well above the US.


Moskitto, you comapare apples and oranges.

Besides, in a nuke standoff Britain would be easily eradicated, especially after our missle defense shield is operational.

And I believe many historians agree that the USA is the greatest empire of all time.

Territory is just one consideration. Economics, military, and cultural influence are also factors. In these areas, americas status is unprecedented.

[Guest]

did u guys listen to nothing i sed? will you not listen to any kind of rational argument, u really are dumb fu*kers if u cant see that ure little arguments bout who were the the most powerful MEAN JACK SH*T its all only history now, and the present is the only thing we have so shut ure mouths and open them again only when ure going to talk about a relative subject. Like why dont the americans rather than goin to war with a full country for a few peoples acts of terrorism look at why mite these people want to do this to us? and if they really believe that they are the land of democracy freedom and peace, they would solve the problems peacefully without warfare. And why dont they do this? because all the sh*t they've been taught isnt true, democracy is corrupt and the oil companys want there hands on iraqs oil an they do nething 2 get it.

[Guest]

Capitalist imperialist u really are a narrow minded tw*t! why in gods name do u give a sh*t about AMERICA being seen as such a great power when at the end of the day that means nothin. U are merely the perfect example of a product of modern american society, u are shaped not how god intended u but how the people in power want u 2 be, Patriotic to the end and believeing in ure own self righteousness.



People shud open their eyes look at the world from the point of view of every other person in the world and if even one is discontent then the system is failing - ME

[Moskitto]

Economics - Like I said, East India Trading Co, Most Powerful Private Business of all time

Military - Like I said, 70% of the worlds battleships were British, America has nowhere near this figure nowadays.

Of course Britain would be annihalated in a nuclear standoff, Small nations like Britain only have nuclear weapons to throw at big nations to cause them sufficient damage to deter them.

Cultural Influence - So you're saying Parliaments in India, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc, The retention of the British monarchy (while reprehensable) worldwide as a head of state, The spread of sports codified by the British such as Football, Cricket, Rugby, Canoeing, Rowing, Snooker etc, and the worldwide spread of the English language are nothing to do with the British Empire.

[Moskitto]

and if you say it's the greatest empire ever then you're being a fool, because the people in the next empire (yes there will be one, they thought Britain and the third reich will last forever once upon a time) will be saying theirs is the greatest ever, and you're descendants will be saying the US was, well maybe not, how many people say Spain was the greatest Empire ever.

[mentalbunny]

Guest what you said was beautiful, absolutly beautiful. Please join, we could do with people like you!

CI, shut your mouth, you aren't saying anything interesting, you and Moskitto (sorry, have to say this) are having a ointless discussion about something compeltely irrelevant. Let's talk about something else, like how we can improve things.

[F Fidel in his arss]

I haven't been following this thread completely but the last few postings by "Guest" leave me confused about his thoughts. I think this "Guest" person has some personal issues that need to be resolved. That being said, I think America is a great country... the gov't? Thats a different story. Every form of gov't is corrupt but having no gov't results in total chaos and destruction. So either way..you're screwed. Agreed?

The USA needs to close it's doors and begin dealing with the problems that lay here in our own backyard. F everyone else for a little while. If your children are in need of aid, are you going to start fighting with the guy accross town, or help your god-damned children?

Don't hate America for the decisions that one man and his administration make. WE, THE IDIOTIC PEOPLE of America could be out helping the homeless or donating money to fund research to cure diseases or help the schools to create a better environment for our kids but instead, what do we do. Join a forum and start crying about how America is brainwashing people. CHRIST!!!

[xe11]

Im not trying to argue that my country is better. As Canadians we love to make fun of our country, our bad military and such. I also dont think my country is some model country, we have lots fo fix and we have many corrupt ways, but I hate when Americans say we'd be nothing without them.

[Paratrooper]

Homer Simpson on visiting Canada...

Why should I leave America, just to visit America Jr.?

[Stormin Norman]

Why should I leave America, just to visit America Jr.?

I have never heard that Simpson's quote. For an buffoon, Homer has his moments of wisdom.

Seriously, the only reason to visit Canada is to get the a broader view of the great American landscape. Their population of commie pinko scumbags can ***k themselves for all I care. I would like to make it a point not to lump the former Canadian Intelligence Minister in that group. He is the only Canadian concerned about their insane immigration policy, and he appears to know his art well.

[Moskitto]

you do realise that the actor of homer simpson has said on tv that the simpsons and homer in particular is poking fun at the american way.

[Invader Zim]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 6:30 pm on Jan. 15, 2003

Quote: from xe11 on 5:56 pm on Jan. 15, 2003
The uk at its peak was stronger than America. There has been countries stronger. Also America has still only been strong for a short period of time, it has alot to prove. And military power dosnt make a country the greatest nation of all time. Military power usually ends up corrupting a country and making it a menace.


How so?

wht countries have been stronger?

I'll tell you: None!

No one has ever had the GDP of the US, or the military,

Certainly not the Naval power of the US, that is by far and easily the greatest Navy of all time. One American Carrier battlegroup can destreoy almost any other nations entire Navy! Even the Soviets never built 1 single nuclear carrier!



we also have the greatest # of significant inventions in the last 100 years, and the greatest cultural impact in the last 100 years

you can compare no empire to America, as we are the greatest of all time!!!

(Edited by Capitalist Imperial at 6:35 pm on Jan. 15, 2003)

All i have to say to that is the british ruled the sea cavering more than 2/3rds of the globe, and also had direct control over 1/3 of all land on earth. And if the USA is so militaryily brilliant then why did you lose vietnam. Not only did you out gun the Cong but you also out numbered the cong by about 7/1. Cosidering that the British have only lost 1 war in about 1000 years and the USA has lost about 4, what dose that say about military power.

After the War of indipendance another Brit Yank war was fought. The USA eventually signed a treaty with GB paying GB over £1000000000 (equivilent to modern day currancy)

You paid us not to destroy you!

Also The USA loses more men every year to friendly fire than enemy bullets.

The USA special forces (the delta Fource) are trained only to the same standard of standard British para's. So if are para's are that good imagin are special forces.

If a war was to occur between Europe and USA today the USA would never launch nukes because we would send the back and so would all of Europe.
So without Nukes or a decent army the US airforce would need to be used. Out dated and under trained. My god you still use U2's!!!! You may have a large number of plains but their all CRAP. The F15, F22 are both shit and their the USA's larges complemnt of fighters. All they are is 30 year old tornado's. What does Europe have well only the Euro fighter, Harrier and the shitty tornados as well but they are still better than the USA's plains.

So Navy well you win their no one can mach your technological or numerical superiority in that field. But when Washington, New york, chicago, LA and Philidelphia are being bombed to hell because your shitty airforce cant protect the SKY what do you do.

Sorry but the U.S.A are not the greatest military power in the world. China is, they have an army with about 2 million more people than any other country in the world. A large Air force as well.

They also are a larger country, so they are the greatest empire on earth at the moment not The U.S.A.

[Guest]

After the War of indipendance another Brit Yank war was fought. The USA eventually signed a treaty with GB paying GB over £1000000000 (equivilent to modern day currancy)

You paid us not to destroy you!

Got any proof of this...? A link?

Also The USA loses more men every year to friendly fire than enemy bullets.

Do you have any proof of this?



If a war was to occur between Europe and USA today the USA would never launch nukes because we would send the back and so would all of Europe.

Whats Europe going to do when Canada and the U.S get the NMD?

So without Nukes or a decent army the US airforce would need to be used. Out dated and under trained.

So U.S pilots are untrained and can't shoot crap down?

How do you know this? AK, stop posting bullshit claims.


My god you still use U2's!!!! You may have a large number of plains but their all CRAP.

U.S doesn't have U2's in service, USAF has about 3 SR-71 BlackBirds in service, SR-71's have max speed of mach 3.Their impossible to shootdown and not one of them was shootdown over the dozens of times they were flown over Soviet airspace.


The F15, F22 are both shit and their the USA's larges complemnt of fighters.

F-22 is the best fighter in the world at the moment.

F-15 is one of the best fighters ever made.F-15 was build to destroy Mig-25's and will have no problem engaging other fighters such as Su-27's or MIg-21's or Mig-29's.

F-15 and F-16 have proven them selves in combat.

Isreali F-15's shotdown 105 aircraft and lost 0 F-15's in the process.

Also...

USAF numbers

F-15's:918

F-16:2000


All they are is 30 year old tornado's. What does Europe have well only the Euro fighter, Harrier and the shitty tornados as well but they are still better than the USA's plains.

Please provide some proof for these claims.

So Navy well you win their no one can mach your technological or numerical superiority in that field.

Please provide some proof.

But when Washington, New york, chicago, LA and Philidelphia are being bombed to hell because your shitty airforce cant protect the SKY what do you do.

These cities well have SAM(Surface-to-Air Missile) batteries, hundreds for each city plus F-15's and F-16's on on alert ready to scramble in minutes notice.

Sorry but the U.S.A are not the greatest military power in the world.

Like I said in the past, provide some proof or a fucking link.


China is, they have an army with about 2 million more people than any other country in the world. A large Air force as well.

China has about 3.2million soldiers, small armour divisons, okay airforce and about 20 ICBM with the range to only hit California.

Wow, military superpower empire right there.

China may be a big country of country, but there GDP is 2.5 trillion, thats about the size of California's GDP.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from AK47 on 8:15 pm on Jan. 16, 2003
[quote]All i have to say to that is the british ruled the sea cavering more than 2/3rds of the globe, and also had direct control over 1/3 of all land on earth. And if the USA is so militaryily brilliant then why did you lose vietnam. Not only did you out gun the Cong but you also out numbered the cong by about 7/1. Cosidering that the British have only lost 1 war in about 1000 years and the USA has lost about 4, what dose that say about military power.

After the War of indipendance another Brit Yank war was fought. The USA eventually signed a treaty with GB paying GB over £1000000000 (equivilent to modern day currancy)

You paid us not to destroy you!

Also The USA loses more men every year to friendly fire than enemy bullets.

The USA special forces (the delta Fource) are trained only to the same standard of standard British para's. So if are para's are that good imagin are special forces.

If a war was to occur between Europe and USA today the USA would never launch nukes because we would send the back and so would all of Europe.
So without Nukes or a decent army the US airforce would need to be used. Out dated and under trained. My god you still use U2's!!!! You may have a large number of plains but their all CRAP. The F15, F22 are both shit and their the USA's larges complemnt of fighters. All they are is 30 year old tornado's. What does Europe have well only the Euro fighter, Harrier and the shitty tornados as well but they are still better than the USA's plains.

So Navy well you win their no one can mach your technological or numerical superiority in that field. But when Washington, New york, chicago, LA and Philidelphia are being bombed to hell because your shitty airforce cant protect the SKY what do you do.

Sorry but the U.S.A are not the greatest military power in the world. China is, they have an army with about 2 million more people than any other country in the world. A large Air force as well.

They also are a larger country, so they are the greatest empire on earth at the moment not The U.S.A.


There is so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.

You seem to know very little about military power.

A 30 year olf F-14 could defeat the Eurofighter.

China's airforce sucks

their weapons are old

no airforce on earth even comes close to US airpower.

you know nothing

[Goldfinger]

You've proven your point, the US has the most powerful militairy in the world. God bless America! The suprior race, the people of God! Sieg Heil!

[Comrade Daniel]

The best military in the world?
The americans do have advanced weapons, but they can't defeat a rebel army like vietcong they can't stop terrorist attacks. Any way a military which is commiting war crimes probably daily isn't good

[Domitian]

I wonder what these people would be saying if the US isn't a superpower...

[Domitian]

Just to quote myself from another thread. I don't think the US is bad, I just think that it could change for the even better. That's why there is the struggle... (in a non phyiscal way)

(Edited by Domitian at 9:39 pm on Jan. 18, 2003)

[Blibblob]

Hell yes.

If the US wasnt a superpower, um, there, uh, wouldnt be anybody talking about it, just like i havent heard anybody talk about other "unimportant" countries, like, uh, um, that country that i cant remember.

And the United States military is the best in the world.

[Domitian]

Could you explain that "Hell Yes"? I'm having trouble understanding that bit...

[Blibblob]

Quote: from Domitian on 4:37 pm on Jan. 18, 2003
Just to quote myself from another thread. I don't think the US is bad, I just think that it could change for the even better. That's why there is the struggle... (in a non phyiscal way)

From that one, very nice, everything needs to be worked upon.
(Edited by Domitian at 9:39 pm on Jan. 18, 2003)

[Domitian]

So you are saying that you agree with my statement?

"From that one, very nice, everything needs to be worked upon."

What does that mean? ('Cause I never posted that)

[Blibblob]

yeah yeah, i messed up the damn quote thing, leave me alone, yes i agree.

[Mazdak]

Domitian, isnt that the name of the great Roman Emperor who heroicly persecuted the Christians(the first emperor to do so)? If so, i commend you.

[Bored of Education]

I'm from the US and I'd like to visit other countries. The only other country I've been to is Mexico, and even that is still connected to the US. I'd rather live here than anywhere else most likely, but I'm not going to say that fully until I'm educated on that subject.

This is my mindset: I like this country. When things are wrong, I'll protest or speak my mind. For example, Bush is a fucking moron. Now that doesn't make me Anti-American, that just makes me opinionated. A lot of you people figure if someone badmouths the current US president they're rebellious little fucks that blindly hate this country. Not true.. there's a fine line between being Anti-something and having thoughts of your own.

[Domitian]

Actually I think Nero was the first one who's done it on the big scale. But it was said that he did it because it was law (Chirstianity was banned) not because he didn't like them.

I picked the name Domitian because he expanded the border of the Empire to the Danube and completed the colosuem (sp).

(Edited by Domitian at 8:41 pm on Jan. 19, 2003)

[lifetrnal]

I am an american and I am an anarchist. Does this mean that I hate this country? No, I hate the government of the United States... I hate how the government treats its own people and the people of the world. My neighbors, my friends, my HOME I love. So no I will not leave, I would never leave... it would be the cowardly thing to do... I think that America can be changed for the better, I think we can make this country, and this world a better place to live. So, it is my DUTY to stay and try to help make that change.

[lifetrnal]

Capitalist,

I can not believe that you are bragging about being in the "greatest empire of all time". WHO CARES? EMPIRE IS BAD. Just ask the Romans or the British or the French... OR ANYONE WHO'S EVER HAD an empire.
Just a thought for you... plus, even understanding that you are a capitalist... how can you really evow imperialism as well?