Red White & Blue; Antifa Leaflet

[Holden Caulfield]

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www.antifa.org.uk (http://www.antifa.org.uk)

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

The websites back up!!

also im gonna print some of these and see if my new antifa group will give me a hand putting em up.

[Holden Caulfield]

The websites back up!!

also im gonna print some of these and see if my new antifa group will give me a hand putting em up.

are you in contact with anitfa uk? and how old is your group, im not being patronising but it can be dangerous work/..

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

are you in contact with anitfa uk? and how old is your group, im not being patronising but it can be dangerous work/..

Yeah i am in contact with antifa uk.
And the group is having its first propper meeting (the others have being just been individual check ups to see who the other members are).

(il continue this convo on pm if it needs to expand)

Dont worry its not me and a few other teens trying to be macho hard men.

[F9]

Dont worry its not me and a few other teens trying to be macho hard men.

Bing a teenager plays no matter,there is no such thing as playing a hard men when you are a teen,it is either you can get out and survive or not,age plays no matter.There are teenagers which can make it better than "adults" and oled people in a lot of thinks!If you and some other fellow antifas know that you can go out there and do some propaganda and share some leaflets do it,no matter age!
anw to the topic,good luck there and i hope you dont even let them get ut from their houses that day,not to do parties!:mad:

Fuserg9:star:

[Decolonize The Left]

Yeah i am in contact with antifa uk.
And the group is having its first propper meeting (the others have being just been individual check ups to see who the other members are).

(il continue this convo on pm if it needs to expand)

Dont worry its not me and a few other teens trying to be macho hard men.

Be strong, fast, and safe. Best of luck.

- August

[Holden Caulfield]

Bing a teenager plays no matter,there is no such thing as playing a hard men when you are a teen,it is either you can get out and survive or not,age plays no matter.There are teenagers which can make it better than "adults" and oled people in a lot of thinks!If you and some other fellow antifas know that you can go out there and do some propaganda and share some leaflets do it,no matter age!
anw to the topic,good luck there and i hope you dont even let them get ut from their houses that day,not to do parties!:mad:

Fuserg9:star:

yeah of course anybody can propagandise but what me and Comrade Joe both understand is that antifa is militant antifascism and that dangers need to be acessed,

what i am trying to do is not discourage activity but to say that everybody is safe, there is no point getting your arse kicked and feeling brave about it, as it achieves nothing,

i am in solidarity with Comrade J. in whatever his work is,

stay safe and fuck the fash comrade

[F9]

yeah of course anybody can propagandise but what me and Comrade Joe both understand is that antifa is militant antifascism and that dangers need to be acessed,

what i am trying to do is not discourage activity but to say that everybody is safe, there is no point getting your arse kicked and feeling brave about it, as it achieves nothing,

i am in solidarity with Comrade J. in whatever his work is,

stay safe and fuck the fash comrade

of course i am with this,take your measures to be safe.
I just pointed in what comrade J said on the point of teenagers try to be hard men.He made it sound that teens cant do such thing,and that only the hard men can do it!No everyone can do it,but has to consider the consequences and protect himself!Either a teenager either a female either....I think you see my point!;)

Fuserg9:star:

[Pirate turtle the 11th]

of course i am with this,take your measures to be safe.
I just pointed in what comrade J said on the point of teenagers try to be hard men.He made it sound that teens cant do such thing,and that only the hard men can do it!No everyone can do it,but has to consider the consequences and protect himself!Either a teenager either a female either....I think you see my point!;)

Fuserg9:star:

I mean i was explaining we aint a group of people doing it to be hard as to boost our egos. But just want to maintain a low level of bnp activity in the area. (Its mostly conservative so the ****s vote for them not the BNP although we do have a few stalls and some ****s going round working class estates having ago at people they think are immigrants (witnessing this made up my mind to join antifa)

Also thanks for the solidarity holden.

[Colonello Buendia]

COmrade Joe, Holden, I've just contacted Antifa, soon I'll also be a comrade of yours :D, you guys gonna try and make it down to rwb?

[Holden Caulfield]

travel might well be arranged for your area, contact the local or national (website) anitfa to find out,

both CB, and CJ are fairly young though so anitfa groups might be uneasy about having you with them (they will have to explain to your parents if you get yourself killed etc), so if this occurs you can get in contact with other antifascist groupings around the country and travel down that way.

[Colonello Buendia]

yeah makes sense, if I can't make it down I'll try to get people to go down
I am a tad young to get my beautiful face smashed in by the fash

[ships-cat]

yeah makes sense, if I can't make it down I'll try to get people to go down
I am a tad young to get my beautiful face smashed in by the fash

But old enough to recommend violence against people (including families and young children) attending a social event ?

Ah... but I forget... the people you propose to attack are fascists. Undesirables. "not one of us"... Subhumans... dispensible.

"Untermensch" perhaps Obergrupleuntent Buendia ? :ohmy:

How swiftly.. and comfortably... the "anti-fascists" adopt the techniques and phillosophies of the fascists. You'd almost think their political ideology was concordant with it ? :unsure:

Meow Purr

[Holden Caulfield]

But old enough to recommend violence against people (including families and young children) attending a social event ?

Ah... but I forget... the people you propose to attack are fascists. Undesirables. "not one of us"... Subhumans... dispensible.

"Untermensch" perhaps Obergrupleuntent Buendia ? :ohmy:

How swiftly.. and comfortably... the "anti-fascists" adopt the techniques and phillosophies of the fascists. You'd almost think their political ideology was concordant with it ? :unsure:

Meow Purr

Nobody is talking about beating up children, they cannot help if there parents are ****s. It is hardly a social event it is a Nazi rally, think Nuremburg only smaller and with less organisation.

Again on this forum Nietzsche is brough forwards, untermenchen can be all of us if you have read it at all, and the Nazis misquoted Nietzsche with the help of his sister so you can shove that analogy up your pretentious arse,

if we are to talk philosophy how about we talk about Nietzsche again, how the ruling class wish to make revolutionary movements impotent by pushing their ideology onto them. "violence is wrong" they say, when clearly it is not, it can be justified and a necessity at time, we are not slaves to the herd 'morality' and so we can decide our own actions and not graze on top-down moralities like the untermenchen herds.

fascism is concordant with discrimination, it is a prejudice ideology and therefore a violent ideology, communism is not a violent ideology if everybody was tolerant and treated others as equal violence would have no need or place. However as long as fascsists and nazis want to spread prejudices and hate we cannot afford (as human beings) to merely sit back and say how bad they are..

[ships-cat]

"it is a prejudice ideology and therefore a violent ideology" ???

So prejudice = violence ? Thats an ... unusual ....definition of prejudice.

I've not been to one of these 'red white and blue' thingies, but the photographs I saw in the newspapers made it look like a village jamboree; marquies, various tents, asmusments of various types... I must admit, I neglected to spot the giant spotlights, huge formations of marching troops, and flaming torches that I saw on the famous Nurenburg rally film footage. Perhaps they where all behind the beer tent ?

Nobody should 'sit back', but violent attacks are not the way to stop resurgent fascism, if that's what we are experiencing.

Meow Purr :)

[Holden Caulfield]

"it is a prejudice ideology and therefore a violent ideology" ???

So prejudice = violence ? Thats an ... unusual ....definition of prejudice.

I've not been to one of these 'red white and blue' thingies, but the photographs I saw in the newspapers made it look like a village jamboree; marquies, various tents, asmusments of various types... I must admit, I neglected to spot the giant spotlights, huge formations of marching troops, and flaming torches that I saw on the famous Nurenburg rally film footage. Perhaps they where all behind the beer tent ?

their want for sepratism demands some form of force in the ideology, to say that we do not want you in our country or whatever breeds violence and intolerance,

a meeting of fascists, and yes the BNP claim to be friendly democrats but just look at the BPP who support them, is still a meeting of fascists disregarding scale. If they are allowed to carry on having such gathering building contacts and their movement they will grow and that is bad for us all,

and if you think the last RWB was a friendly affair try talking to the villagers where the rally is held, as antifa did, and see that those who did put forwards complaints to the councils had landrovers parked outside their houses full of boneheads (seems like intimidation of their own master race to me). Not to mention the fact the recent suicide 'victim' Luke Smith was convicted for smashing a beer bottle into the face of his fellow BNPer. Hardly a Village Fate!

Violence to meet violence is a tired and tested method, look at Cable Street & Lewisham. We do also offer socialist alternatives, and we do stress violence is not the only answer and not something we relish.

and nice dodge of the fact you completely ignored my criticisms of your tragic misinterpretation of philosophy, either defend or withdraw your claims

Meow Purr ~ Holden

[Dr Mindbender]

"it is a prejudice ideology and therefore a violent ideology" ???

So prejudice = violence ? Thats an ... unusual ....definition of prejudice.
I think the point being made is that prejudice gives a 'wink and a nod' to violence.

Those such as the BNP made prejudiced statements knowing full well what the repercussions will be. That makes them, even if not involved directly, complicit.


I've not been to one of these 'red white and blue' thingies, but the photographs I saw in the newspapers made it look like a village jamboree; marquies, various tents, asmusments of various types... I must admit, I neglected to spot the giant spotlights, huge formations of marching troops, and flaming torches that I saw on the famous Nurenburg rally film footage. Perhaps they where all behind the beer tent ?
Perhaps you didnt hear the content of the speeches being made? I think the reason they make it 'family themed' is to indoctrinate their children from an early age.

It bears an alarming resembelance to some sort of religious cult.


Nobody should 'sit back', but violent attacks are not the way to stop resurgent fascism, if that's what we are experiencing.

Meow Purr :)

Have you got a better idea?

[ships-cat]

Holden, I wasn't ignoring your comment about phillosphy, I just didn't understand it. I used the German term "Untermensch" as I believed that to translate as "subhuman" or "beneath humanity".
I seemed to have stepped on a refferential minefield, in that this German word seems to have some special significance or resonance in either left-wing political theory, or Neitzche's phillisophical ramblings, and you have ascribed these to my usage of the word. Whereas I was merely using it in it's common meaning.

Accordinly, and having re-read my post, I really don't think I was 'ducking' anything. Instead, I believe you where ascribing meanings to my words that did not exist, and thence asking me to answer to a position that I never subscribed to in the first place.

In regard Blue, White and Red... the BNP are a registered political party. As far as I am aware, they do not go on marches or protests much. They don't terrorise the community. They may hold a position that you find repellent, but where is this violence that you talk off ? If they go on rampages breaking windows, then the police will deal with them. If they threaten or intimidate, then likewise.

Ultimately, where is the NEED for private violence ?

Sorry folks but - at this time, in this country - I don't see this whole "Antifa" thing as being anything constructive.

Peace :)

Meow Purr :)

Meow Purr :)

[Holden Caulfield]

In regard Blue, White and Red... the BNP are a registered political party. As far as I am aware, they do not go on marches or protests much. They don't terrorise the community. They may hold a position that you find repellent, but where is this violence that you talk off ? If they go on rampages breaking windows, then the police will deal with them. If they threaten or intimidate, then likewise.

Ultimately, where is the NEED for private violence ?

Sorry folks but - at this time, in this country - I don't see this whole "Antifa" thing as being anything constructive.

they do not stop the attacks from happening they try to catch those who did them, they do not stop them distributing their vile propaganda and acting like big men (which attracts younger kids who think that it is cool), we cannot reley on the state and if you were any leftist yourself you would know that

the BNP are the largest party and pretend to be friendly democracts but they are the same as the BPP and the NF; Fascists,

and we cannot allow fascists to spread their propaganda, which itself leads to racial tention, hatred and violence, (check the criminal records of BNP candidates!) we cannot allow it as leftists and we cannot allow it as members of our communities.

the violence stops them from getting their message across, messes with their party structure, and takes away their 'big man' image they so much love,

if the BNP are friendly democrats somebody should probably tell my regional BNP organised to stop sending pictures into Redwatch, ive seen him take them then ive seen them pop up on Redwatch. I have herd stories of intimidation in the village RWB is due to take place in told by residents themselves. I'm not saying anything else for security reasons.

if the BNP are merely friendly democrats not rascist or fascist how cumz they get so much support on Stormfront and from the like of the BPP?

[Holden Caulfield]

bump!

[sickofitall]

as far as im aware the bpp do not support the bnp at all and how can u say the bnp are a racist party when they have many non white members, a large scale of theyre members may be some what racist but as a party they are clearly not, they are nationalist there is a big difference between racism and nationalism. how can antifa justifie an attack on a peacfull political social event. i am no BNP supporter by any means but if antifa attack such an event they are only making themselves look bad, breaking the law with violence. also do u actually think antifa will stand a chance at stopping the event from taking place have you seen the kind of security the pnp has, alot of big well trained blokes.

[revolution inaction]

as far as im aware the bpp do not support the bnp at all and how can u say the bnp are a racist party when they have many non white members, a large scale of theyre members may be some what racist but as a party they are clearly not, they are nationalist there is a big difference between racism and nationalism. how can antifa justifie an attack on a peacfull political social event.
Nationalism is just as bad as racism, and one tends to lead to the other.



i am no BNP supporter by any means but if antifa attack such an event they are only making themselves look bad, breaking the law with violence. also do u actually think antifa will stand a chance at stopping the event from taking place have you seen the kind of security the pnp has, alot of big well trained blokes.

No chance of stopping it? The police disagree (http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2008/06/400764.html?c=on)

[Jaccob]

as far as im aware the bpp do not support the bnp at all and how can u say the bnp are a racist party when they have many non white members

Don't kid yourself, it doesn't take much more than a quick Google search to find footage of high end BNP members fantasizing about kicking the shit out of "Pakkis".


a large scale of theyre members may be some what racist but as a party they are clearly not, they are nationalist there is a big difference between racism and nationalism.

Nationalists promote immigration laws, many of which are definitely racist.


how can antifa justifie an attack on a peacfull political social event.

This is a bit like saying "how could our fathers and grandfathers justify destroying the Nazi scum in WWII", because if we let them continue then they think they can get away with it, and I have no doubt in my mind that given the opportunity (okay, the BNP will never get this opportunity, but if they ever did), there would be another holocaust. The BNP were founded through hatred, definitely not a peaceful bunch of people.


i am no BNP supporter by any means but if antifa attack such an event they are only making themselves look bad, breaking the law with violence.

Race hate is against the law too, don't think for one second that Antifa is more concerned with public opinion than it is of destroying fascist twats, the endgame is, and always has been to fight fascism, publicity - good or bad - is always secondary.


also do u actually think antifa will stand a chance at stopping the event from taking place have you seen the kind of security the pnp has, alot of big well trained blokes.

Does this make what Antifa is going to do wrong? Was this the attitude the Castros had when they sailed 82 men into Cuba with the intent of overthrowing Batista? You'll get nowhere being pessimistic like that.