When's the Revolution?

[Polecat]

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something, but is there even hope?

[Decolonize The Left]

The revolution is always. It is on this forum as we discuss important issues and have dialogue. It is whenever a worker realizes the realities of his/her class situation and understands the workings of oppression. It is whenever individuals gather together to fight the institutions of inequality and exploitation.

There is no hope for hope is future oriented, and the future is uncertain and unwritten. There is only action.

- August

[Bright Banana Beard]

The revolution is already happening, it takes time. Capitalism existed for 2 century (not referring to Adam Smith's version) but that doesn't mean there is no hope. We can raise class warfare & awareness. We can accelerate it or halt it. If we are to see communism in our life, then all of us have to fight the system, however, our life is not about sticking with ideology and most of us not even here. Don't be disillusion with dream revolution, who know what will come in the future? Hope isn't going to help, but action does.

[OI OI OI]

I don't know, maybe I'm missing something, but is there even hope?

The revolution will happen when the correct objective conditions are in place. By objective conditions we mean poverty , unemployment etc and the right subjective conditions(for us marxist-leninists) a vanguard party that can give the unorganized grievance of the workers against capitalism, an organize expression which will make them seize power. Right now the political left is composed only by class-concious elements of the working class and some petty bourgeois and intellectuals. Why? Because people inherently are conservative and are afraid of change. Therefore theur conciousness lags behind of events and of material conditions. But the last straw which will break the camels back will make them explode just like a volcano , in a revolution and the class concious proletariat and some elements of the inteligensia will lead the proletariat into taking power.
The revolution will not come in the short future in Western Europe and the US. But we have to prepaire by creating revolutionary cadres such as myself and many others here on revleft that will show the right way to the workers when a revolutionary situation comes.
But in other regions there are revolutionary situations. Remember that there is uneven development in the world. For example Venezuela is in a revolutionary situation. The masses can take power if the reformists in the PSUV and the rest of the bureaucrats are ousted. The people can and will take power in the next couple of years hopefuly.
Don't forget that people lost faith in socialism after the collapse of Stalinism in the USSR and the rest of the deformed/degenerated workers states.
But socialism is reviving in South America and will return stronger than ever to haunt the bourgeoisie in the near future.
Workers unite:hammersickle:

[gla22]

we all are working to create a revolutionary situation. You can start by spreading propaganda. propaganda has created revolutionary situations in the past.

[Polecat]

How are you going to spread more propaganda than the mass media?

And am I wrong in thinking that socialism is merely a way for the governments to consolidate power? Isn't the majority of Europe already socialist?

[rocker935]

well, an argument that I see arising from many conservatives is that Obama is a socialist. They argue that someone who believes or a country that has universal health care is socialist. This is plain old wrong. Many capitalists forget that just because one aspect of an economy is socialized or universal doesn't make the entire country/economy socialist. If this were true then any country that provides public libraries or free public schools would be socialist. Is America socialist for having libraries, wealfare, and public schools??

[mykittyhasaboner]

How are you going to spread more propaganda than the mass media?

And am I wrong in thinking that socialism is merely a way for the governments to consolidate power? Isn't the majority of Europe already socialist?

we spread propoganda by having rallies, protests, fly posting, etc. there are tons of things leftists can do.

your not necessarily wrong to think that, but dont look in to that idea too much because thats what far-right propagandists and conspiracy theorists spew as rhetoric.

the EU is mostly comprised of "Social Democratic" governments. they are reformist socialists, and neo-liberal centrists. but anyone here would tell you that they are not really socialists, because they prolong the capitalist system.

[#FF0000]

And am I wrong in thinking that socialism is merely a way for the governments to consolidate power? Isn't the majority of Europe already socialist?

Yeah, you're sorta wrong in thinking that, sort of. You're assuming that socialism is inherently authoritarian, when really it doesn't have to be.

And no, the majority of Europe is Social Democratic. There's still private property in Europe, still classes...etc.

[welshboy]

It's next tuesday, meet outside the chip shop on Calder Street.:D
But ssssh don't tell the cops.
On a more serious note I think that there is great hope for a revolution, possibly even within our lifetimes but when it does it will take the entire left by surprise.
Oh and no most of europe is not socialist, nowhere near.

[OI OI OI]

How are you going to spread more propaganda than the mass media?

In a revolutionary situation people were suffering in order to reach revolutionary conclusions. So they are going to believe their empty stomach rather than the lies of the mass media . Our propaganda in those conditions will find fertile ground.




And am I wrong in thinking that socialism is merely a way for the governments to consolidate power? Isn't the majority of Europe already socialist?

Yes you are wrong buddy. Social Democracy (not even) , is what some countries of Europe have. This type of "socialism" is opportunistic as it does not seek to fight the roots of capitalism ie. private property but merely seeks to make reforms in order to prolong capitalism. Usually that "type" of socialism usually lasts a few years and it collapses when the "socialist" party is voted out of office.
Real socialism means nationalization of all the sectors of the economy and the means of production are managed democratically by the workers. So on and so forth.

[BIG BROTHER]

For a revolution to be posible, acording to Lenin for conditions must be met:

Firstly, faced with a profound crisis the ruling class is incapable of governing in the old way and begins to split into different wings, each seeking a different solution to the crisis. Secondly, the middle layers are in ferment. Thirdly, the working class seeks a way out, not on the basis of the old society, but of a new order. It moves into battle in a determined fashion. Fourthly, the most crucial condition, is the existence, at the head of the mass workers' movement of a clear Marxist leadership, with the necessary strategy, tactics, and organization to guarantee victory.