Why does this area even exist?

[Qwerty489]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.

Though this section doesn't surprise me considering the liberals who control the mods of this forum.

[OI OI OI]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.
If class struggle was performed on revleft or on the internet then the revolution would come in a billion years.
This section exists (from my understanding) for people that are not communists or anarchists to express their beliefs,ask questions and show us hy they think that communism , anarchism or wtv is not feasable. It is good because
a) By demolishing their arguments we can practice for the real shit in real life
b) Some of them if their issues can be resolved, they might understand that communism is not so bad after all , or they might be persuaded into marxism or wtv.
c) This is a good forum because it contains the religion sub-forum. Some leftists while agreeing with communism /anarchism might still remain religious. So the best place to discuss the role of religion or things about religion is here.

I am sure there are other reasons as well that I can't think of right now but some other members can explain them to you.



Though this section doesn't surprise me considering the liberals who control the mods of this forum.

Didn't get that.
Are you implying that some mods are ... liberals?

[superiority]

The reactionaries get all pissy and whine about free speech when they're told to just piss off is why. This keeps 'em satisfied. Don't worry, actual fascists still get the boot.

[apathy maybe]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.

Though this section doesn't surprise me considering the liberals who control the mods of this forum.

I love the smell of a good dinosaur game in the morning. Smells like victory.

Imagine a picture of a dinosaur playing basketball. (If you can't imagine it, there are pictures on the web, do a search.)

Then imagine a picture of a dinosaur with a machine gun.

Ah...


Oh yeah, and most of the folks who are restricted don't own any means of production. You fail at Understanding Basic Marxism. Not only that, there are plenty of "left-wingers" who are restricted for having one or two contrary positions only (such as on abortion).

[RedAnarchist]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.

Though this section doesn't surprise me considering the liberals who control the mods of this forum.

Its so we can debate with them in here, rather than them debating with us on the rest of the forum - that way, the forum doesn't become full of "left versus right"-type discussions.

And we've actually convinced one or two OI'ers round to our ideas before.

[Killfacer]

arse holes like yourself querty, deserve an IP ban for contributing nothing to the forums apart from innane drivel. First of all most of the people who are restricted are actually left wing, socialist even. Most of them were ban for abortion reasons (not particuarly bourgeois as you quaintly put it). I was ban because when i first joined i may or may not have been (i was ) a bit rash and rude. Seriously though, i assume you havent read many threads in the section and all youv done is come out with shit like that. Plus jazzratt would be out of a job.

[Robert]

It's a good question, I think, notwithstanding the belligerent tone. The answer is either that the commies hope to convert us Bourgeois scumbags (thanks for capitalizing it ... get it?) and want to give us a sort of back pasture where we can be taught to "get our minds right," or because, as noted by one resident luminary, they wonder if they aren't all delusional utopians.

I hope a mod will come in and state the official reason if there is one. I'm frankly grateful for the opportunity to learn and debate. Somebody has done an enormous amount of work setting this thing up and did a bang up job.

[Jazzratt]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.

If open and honest debate is not allowed I don't want your grotesque parody of "class struggle".


Though this section doesn't surprise me considering the liberals who control the mods of this forum.

Oh. You're one of those. Fuck off.

[Lector Malibu]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.

You know we could just ban everyone that did not agree with all aspects of communism. Thing is though by allowing members that are hung up on issues debate and discuss they're reasons why increases the chances that they will reconsider their views. I've seen it happen. Members that I never thought would make it out of this section , who are now even members of The C.C.

I've learned alot about communism on this board personally. I also think others have that opportunity as well.


Though this section doesn't surprise me considering the liberals who control the mods of this forum.The liberals that control the mods of this forum? You pulled that one right out of you're ass. Members that are restricted are voted such fair and square by a panel of members. These members that make up the C.C. span a variety of communist and left theory's and practice. There is also a criteria that has to be established for restriction and a debate process that takes place before any action is taken.

Unless there are issues that are more pressing ie, fascist and so on.

[534634634265]

:closedeyes:OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS:closedeyes:
what sack of hammers OP is. how would restricting the forum to only those who agree be any sort of freedom? This forum exists so that we can have intelligent arguments with people who disagree with us. And if you think the mods are biased towards the center you should PM a few about that and see what kind of a response you get.
B&hammer'd *****!:laugh:

[Dean]

:closedeyes:OBVIOUS TROLL IS OBVIOUS:closedeyes:
what sack of hammers OP is. how would restricting the forum to only those who agree be any sort of freedom? This forum exists so that we can have intelligent arguments with people who disagree with us. And if you think the mods are biased towards the center you should PM a few about that and see what kind of a response you get.
B&hammer'd *****!:laugh:
:laugh::laugh::laugh::blink::rolleyes:

[Lost In Translation]

Well, why should it? Bourgeois scumbags deserve an IP ban, giving them a voice is contrary to class struggle.


First of all, they're not all "Bourgeois scumbags". If you read through the OI thoroughly, there are only a few points that differ them from us. Giving them a voice is not contrary to class struggle because we need opinions from all sides, though there might be negative feedback. If you're banning them from our discussions, are you any better than the governments of the western world?

[Kronos]

This OI forum provides revolutionaries with field experience, see. It is hands-on experience and training. The exchanges that happen here in this forum are informative for the revolutionaries who are learning about Marxism. I think this forum is an excellent idea, since it gives people the opportunity to see active debates between capitalists and Marxists.

Think school. How limited would an education in zoology be if the kids never got a chance to visit the zoo and see the animals?

Here a revolutionary can see a real, live knucklehead capitalist. And even feed and pet them if they choose.

[Kronos]

I, personally, have been locked in here with Tom K and the other monkeys since I registered. Ultimately I can't agree with anyone about Marxism so they've purged me. The only way I could coexist in a Marxist society would be as one of the dudes who made executive decisions. I'm either in the Vanguard or I refuse to participate.

But let this be known. As "elitist" as you all expect me to be, I would fight beside you in a revolution at a moment's notice. I care about the socialist rabble only slightly more than the capitalist parasites....but would be willing to take a bullet for one of you worms (even Jazzratt and Killfacer) if it came down to it.

Verily, I speak thus.

[Bud Struggle]

I, personally, have been locked in here with Tom K and the other monkeys since I registered. Ultimately I can't agree with anyone about Marxism so they've purged me. The only way I could coexist in a Marxist society would be as one of the dudes who made executive decisions. I'm either in the Vanguard or I refuse to participate.

But let this be known. As "elitist" as you all expect me to be, I would fight beside you in a revolution at a moment's notice. I care about the socialist rabble only slightly more than the capitalist parasites....but would be willing to take a bullet for one of you worms (even Jazzratt and Killfacer) if it came down to it.

Verily, I speak thus.

Kronos--your posts will recruit armies for the Capitalists. :lol:

[RedAnarchist]

I, personally, have been locked in here with Tom K and the other monkeys since I registered. Ultimately I can't agree with anyone about Marxism so they've purged me. The only way I could coexist in a Marxist society would be as one of the dudes who made executive decisions. I'm either in the Vanguard or I refuse to participate.

But let this be known. As "elitist" as you all expect me to be, I would fight beside you in a revolution at a moment's notice. I care about the socialist rabble only slightly more than the capitalist parasites....but would be willing to take a bullet for one of you worms (even Jazzratt and Killfacer) if it came down to it.

Verily, I speak thus.

The only monkey here is you, Kronos.

[Pogue]

Restricting someone who is a socialist but disagrees with the majority on one issue like abortion is wrong.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Sorry, I couldn't hear you guys over the BAAAAAAAAAWing.

[IcarusAngel]

The cappies here (Tomk, RobertTheGreat) are absolutely harmless. TomK is only a practicing capiatlist, knows little about modern capitalist theory, and RoberttheGreat -- who knows (cares) what he's all about.

It's fun to chit-chat with them, imo. If you can't sit back and laugh at the absurdity of capitalism once in a while, you will go insane trying to rationalize it.

[IcarusAngel]

Kronos--your posts will recruit armies for the Capitalists. :lol:

Well, maybe. But if communists attacked every communist who doesn't seem to be "all there" mentally, we wouldn't have a movement at all. Besides, I rather like Kronos's psychological musings.

An analysis at that level, and not just at the political and economic levels, has always been a part of the modern Marxist thinking. Marx himself noted the psychological effects of capitalism.

[534634634265]

It's fun to chit-chat with them, imo. If you can't sit back and laugh at the absurdity of capitalism once in a while, you will go insane trying to rationalize it.
if you can't laugh at absurdity anywhere you find it then your just a prig who needs to get his tighty whities out of his clenched asshole. like the OP, or that "superiority" twat, or al8. huge sack of hammers that lot.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[superiority]

prig...twat
I resent being referred to with weird, British-sounding words that are probably insults.

[Bud Struggle]

The cappies here (Tomk, RobertTheGreat) are absolutely harmless. TomK is only a practicing capiatlist, knows little about modern capitalist theory, and RoberttheGreat -- who knows (cares) what he's all about.

Admittedly, I have studied very little formal Economics. But you did fail to mention Pusher Robot--who is pretty well versed in Economics and is pretty worthy opponent to you Communists. We have some good depth in our ranks. :)

Also, I don't think any of us Capitalists come here to be
"harmful" in any way. I think for the most part we all try to be respectful and give interesting an worthwhile critiques of what you people are saying.

[Bud Struggle]

Well, maybe. But if communists attacked every communist who doesn't seem to be "all there" mentally, we wouldn't have a movement at all. Besides, I rather like Kronos's psychological musings.

An analysis at that level, and not just at the political and economic levels, has always been a part of the modern Marxist thinking. Marx himself noted the psychological effects of capitalism.

I actually like Kronos quite a bit, too. On the other hand it's a bit far fetched to blame any particular problem of any particular member of the proletariat directly on Capitalism.

[Die Neue Zeit]

Admittedly, I have studied very little formal Economics. But you did fail to mention Pusher Robot--who is pretty well versed in Economics and is pretty worthy opponent to you Communists. We have some good depth in our ranks. :)

I dunno. Most business management practices completely contradict marginalist BS.

[pusher robot]

I dunno. Most business management practices completely contradict marginalist BS.

Really? You're saying that most businesses continue production even when that production fails to yield a profit? Why?

[Kronos]

it's a bit far fetched to blame any particular problemAs a determinist I cannot "blame" anything or anyone. Here, I'll let Fritz (Nietzsche) handle this one for me:

"The total character of the world, however, is in all eternity chaos--in the sense not of a lack of necessity but a lack of order, arrangement, form, beauty, wisdom, and whatever names there are for our aesthetic anthropomorphisms...Let us beware of attributing to it heartlessness and unreason or their opposites: it is neither perfect nor beautiful, nor noble, nor does it wish to become any of these things; it does not by any means strive to imitate man... Let us beware of saying that there are laws in nature. There are only necessities: there is nobody who commands, nobody who obeys, nobody who trespasses... But when will we ever be done with our caution and care? When will all these shadows of God cease to darken our minds? When will we complete our de-deification of nature? When may we begin to "naturalize" humanity in terms of a pure, newly discovered, newly redeemed nature?"


All that I ask of the capitalist is to understand that he is a parasite, a monster, a worthless piece of dead weight. It is not that I blame him for not changing, but that I blame him for thinking he can rationally deny that this is so. Though even in the case of him not understanding himself, he is merely incompetent, and cannot be blamed for that either.

Capitalism is a simple necessity, not a "law", not a civil requirement, not a solution to anything. It is a necessity that is becoming slowly obsolete because of new material and ideological relations. The evolution of this process spans many, many years, and is not something that just ceases spontaneously. Nonetheless, if we take a greater perspective and look at centuries as if they were days, if we move into the future and look back, like one might remember a yesterday, we will see a political system that was preordained to die anyway. The class of the capitalist is already dying. One should kick what is already falling.

[Bud Struggle]

Good quote--but if we take Fritz's point to it's logical conclusion, there is no law that says Capitalism will ever end, there is no law that says Marxism will follow Capitalism. Capitalism exists because by chance, it does.

This is materialism without the Marxian idealist utopianism. No God, no Marx, just what "is" and whatever the "is" might change itself into in the future.

There's only death and despair here. I'll stick with my Jesus--you can stick with your Marx--the hope they bring, even if it's a false hope, is better than the alternative.