Mumia Abu Jamal on Obama and Nader's comments regarding Obama

[Pawn Power]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oUalYTU9EWE

[Red October]

"Ralph Nader is one smart cookie" :lol:

[Mindtoaster]

Is it worthwhile for people to vote for Nader when he has no real chance of winning? We can be sure he would end the war immediately if elected to office, but we can also be sure that he won't get a single vote from anyone even slightly to the right of the political spectrum, and therefore could not win against Obama or McCain.
Many statistics seem to suggest that Nader cost Gore his election against Bush back in 2000. While gore is a silly liberal, theres no telling where we might be right now had he won. Would there have been a 9/11, a war on Afghanistan, a war on Iraq?
Theres a sliver of a chance that if elected Obama may be pressured by the working chance to stick to his word and end the war. With this in mind, is it worthwhile to vote for a politician who is a leftist (but not a socialist) and possibly cause McCain to be the next president?

Bah... Probably won't vote anyway.

[Pawn Power]

Theres a sliver of a chance that if elected Obama may be pressured by the working chance to stick to his word and end the war. With this in mind, is it worthwhile to vote for a politician who is a leftist (but not a socialist) and possibly cause McCain to be the next president?



Obama never said he would end the war.

[Mindtoaster]

Obama never said he would end the war.

He's made it so that ending the war is basically the central point of his campaign. However, unlike McCain who wants to stay the cource he has plans for things such as "have all our combat brigades out of Iraq within the first 16 months" allegedly of his presedency. Thats roughly half of the American troops in Iraq. I have an article about by Socialistworker, but I can't post links yet. Anyway, he's a silver tongued liberal and I don't trust him, but this is still better then what McCain is offering.

[Labor Shall Rule]

It's a damn shame he's such a reactionary on immigration.

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Nader is a capitalist politician. The nuances of his program for running U.S.-imperialism are secondary.

[Cheung Mo]

Nader can't be trusted. He's not a socialist and he proved himself to be a social reactionary on the Terri Schiavo thing.

[marxistsocialist]

My friend, but between Nader and Obama, Nader is a lesser evil. Between Obama and Nader, I'd choose Nader. Nader attacks corporations, Obama never attacks corporations, in fact Nader is calling for nationalization of oil and other key industries.

marxistsocialist


Nader can't be trusted. He's not a socialist and he proved himself to be a social reactionary on the Terri Schiavo thing.

[marxistsocialist]

There is a notion that the ruling elite is a uniform group with Bush as its representative.

Not so. The elite has its factions. The common ground within the elite is the wish to remain elite; otherwise, there is a diversity of opinion.

The Iraq adventure was not supported by an elite consensus. Bush 42 opposed it. Zbig opposed it. Baby Bush is a radical elitist. Senior Bush is a moderate elitist.

Obama represents the moderate elite faction, which holds that there are better ways to control the globe. He will not be a continuation of radical Bush elitism.

Aside from simplifying the political landscape, many intellectuals don't mention Obama's skin color which is the chief feature that distinguishes this candidate from all earlier presidents. It is not politically correct to say Obama is a black man. This is the political genius of the "moderate elite", or the "liberal elite" if you prefer. They love "cultural diversity" and they use it to disguise their elite agenda.

With Obama, there will be more bread and circuses and some "compassionate conservatism", which Bush couldn't pull off because he doesn't have a compassionate gene in his genome.

I'm voting Ralph Nader, thanks very much

marxistsocialist

[Pawn Power]

He's made it so that ending the war is basically the central point of his campaign. However, unlike McCain who wants to stay the cource he has plans for things such as "have all our combat brigades out of Iraq within the first 16 months" allegedly of his presedency. Thats roughly half of the American troops in Iraq. I have an article about by Socialistworker, but I can't post links yet. Anyway, he's a silver tongued liberal and I don't trust him, but this is still better then what McCain is offering.

Ending the war is not a part of his plan. What he claimed he would do was a "gradual" withdrawal of troops, which later became a "careful" withdrawal and now claims that troops might have to stay “to be sure al-Qaida doesn't re-establish a foothold there.” Moreover, all of this only includes combat troops. The 100,000 private contractors will stay in his plan.

http://www.counterpunch.org/fantina07062008.html

[Unicorn]

"David Duke for Ralph Nader."

http://liberalland.com/2008/02/29/david-duke-for-ralph-nader/

[marxistsocialist]

The claim that Ralph Nader is a racist is a lie. David Duke has the right to support Ralph Nader. How about the many KKK anti-jew racist groups in America who are supporting Obama indeed, does that make Obama a KKK?
So the claim that Ralph Nader is a racist is just a conspiracy lie. In fact Ralph Nader appears in Democracy Now (An Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez social-democrat TV news show), where as Obama is very critisized in that show for his bourgeosie politics. Obama has a neoliberal corporate program, many of his advisors are neoliberals from the Chicago Boys School of Economics.

marxistsocialist



"David Duke for Ralph Nader."

[Nothing Human Is Alien]

Not so. The elite has its factions. The common ground within the elite is the wish to remain elite; otherwise, there is a diversity of opinion.

Right, and Ralph Nader represents one of those factions.

Communists don't judge candidates/parties/etc. by whether they "attack corporations." They look at what class they represent.

Ralph Nader represents small-time capitalists and some small sections of the bourgeoisie. A lot of the petty-bourgeoisie can be mobilized to support him because he takes a sort of anti-monopolist stance at times. He wants to reform capitalism to make it easier for "small business" to compete, grow.... and become big business too.


Obama never attacks corporations

"In his second new TV spot of the day — this one now playing in Pennsylvania — Barack Obama takes a strong stand against Big Oil, saying he 'won’t let them block change anymore.'" - http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/28/obamas-big-oil-ad-draws-fire/

"'[We] need a president who can stand up to Big Oil and big energy companies and say enough is enough," Obama said Monday.'" - http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/01/dems.oil/

Of course, he's not alone there...

"'The oil companies, the drug companies, the health insurance companies, the predatory student loan companies have had seven years of a president who stands up for them. It's time we had a president who stands up for all of you'" - Hilary Clinton

..of course: "The upside is that Mrs. Clinton is raising money from the very industries she is bashing, making her sincerity open to question. The Center for Responsive Politics reports that Mrs. Clinton has raised $269,436 from the pharmaceutical industry, more than any other candidate, including Republicans, and $220,550 from the oil and gas industry, more than double what her closest Democratic rivals raised from the industry." - http://www.sowal.com/bb/showthread.php?t=19085

[marxistsocialist]

Ok will Obama nationalize corporations? I don't think so, he has never talked about nationalization under workers control. But Ralph Nader has talked about nationalizing key US industries under workers cogestion and control

marxistsocialist

[jacobsweeney]

Ralph Nader is the only candidate that wants to repeal the Taft-Hartley act. this emphasizes the truth that he is the only friend to labor that is running in the race. His/our VP Matt Gonzalez speaks of taft-hartley often on youtube.

[gla22]

Ralph Nader is the only candidate that wants to repeal the Taft-Hartley act. this emphasizes the truth that he is the only friend to labor that is running in the race. His/our VP Matt Gonzalez speaks of taft-hartley often on youtube.
QFT. We know Nader is'nt going to win. We know Obama will. We might as well vote Nader to protest the two-party system.

[jacobsweeney]

Mumia had a text entitled "Is Obama's victory our's?" that is incredible he released this month as well. Sums up Barack better than the "commentary on Ralph Nader"

[Pawn Power]

Mumia had a text entitled "Is Obama's victory our's?" that is incredible he released this month as well. Sums up Barack better than the "commentary on Ralph Nader"

link?

[Hampton]

http://www.jwharrison.com/blog/2008/07/13/obamas-victory-ours-by-mumia-abu-jamal/

With the nation’s manufacturing base also a thing of history, amidst the socioeconomic wreckage of globalization, with foreign affairs in shambles, the rulers reach for a pretty, brown face to front for the Empire.

“Real change that you could believe in” would be an end to Empire, and an end to wars for corporate greed, not just a change of the shade of the political managers.

That change, I’m afraid, is still to come.

-Mumia Abu-Jamal

Yep.

[jacobsweeney]

Is Obama's Victory Our's? - Mumia Abu Jamal is on youtube I don't have 25 posts here so I cant post the link

[bayano]

nader sucks. ill probably leave an empty ballot rather than vote for him.

mumia, on the other hand, ive always understood why he was a radio host before lock up. whatta voice!