Kill Santa... he is the personification of capitalism.... -

[Anonymous]

Santa Claus, the most cappie figure i know, i mean, he was developed by Coca-Cola Company, he is the finest example of capitalism, the santa figure is a fine example of how a corporation can manipulate you, now santa is not only world-wide known, but world wide worshiped, it is in all west cultures, it is now imposed, it is Capitali$m, plus he is anotjher fine example, of theism, people, in this case children, worship him, parents now "force" children to believe in santa, and then istigate fear among them, with statemtents as "behave or else santa wount give you presents.." "santa knows whos bad ans who´s good.." among other stupid stuff, and all this to control children...


so my fellow comrades, now when you see a santa dont smile at him, attack him and end this stupid capitalization of culture....

[Sirion]

Santa is a sad example of how someone who became known for a "sosialistic" act, is turned into a symbol of capitalism and its evils.

Sorrilly I didnt read this before the 24th, but ext year, I'll bring with me my AK on the roof that night ;)

[SuicideisPainless]

oh shut up, santa is for children why cant some people just leave it,

[pastradamus]

that evil capitilist bastard,destroyed anthing religious about christmas.

[peaccenicked]

Santa is for kids and should be treated akin to the tooth fairy. However, the over-commercialism is horrific in that it goes against the spiritual nature of celebrating the birth of Che's biggest iconic rival . Jesus who if was treated as an heroic historical figure who srtuggled against Roman hegemony over the middle east rather than the son of the god. The god that has made White Anglo saxon protestants his chosen warmongers.
Then Santa might belong to the people, but now he is mainly employed by big business. I say nationalise him.
Free him from wage slavery and christmas from commodity fetishness to become a festival rather than a
source of economic burden where the ammount of dread is proportional to available income.

(Edited by peaccenicked at 3:18 am on Dec. 27, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

"Santa Claus, the most cappie figure i know, i mean, he was developed by Coca-Cola Company"

Where do you get your information from? Snata was not invented by Coca Cola, you idiot. Snata folklore is older than the Coca Cola corporation. Besides, I agree with a few of the others who have already pointed out Santa is for kids. Trying to discuss Santa as a capitalist icon is pure ignorance. Let's take a vote. What do you guys think? Should this quote go in the ignorance hall of fame? I have a strong inclination to put it in that thread. I don't think I have one from the anarchist yet. He definetely deserves an honorable mention.

[Anonymous]

once again capie, you open your mouth, and only shit comes out, santa was invented by coca cola, before coca cola there only existed the Nicholae guy, that lather coca-cola grabed and transformed into a cappie figure, paintedin red, coca-cola color...

santa is one more proof of how a corporationcan transform a religious festivity into a comercial festivity, and itdeserves to be insulted, like you, storming moron, making a ignorance hallof fame, LOL, you should dedicate at least 1 or 2 chapters to yourself...

[Stormin Norman]

Give me a good source.

[Sirion]

I cannot give you a source, but according to what I know, Santa was originally a man called Saint Nicholas from Turkey, who gave presents to small children each christmas.

For many many years, he was portrayed as a slim, grim man wearing green and yellow, untill Coca-Cola slaugthered him and transformed him into a commercial cult figure.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

"Stormin Moron is the example of how we can reach a world where peace and equality rules" - CCCP

Put that one in the hall of "ignorance". It's the only thing that you can do.

(Edited by CCCP at 5:37 pm on Dec. 28, 2002)

[chamo]

Santa existed as saint nikolas from eastern europe who gave presents to children at christmas but coca-cola stole the myth, and used it to advertise their produst in 1931 and changed the story and the character to suit their advertising needs. The bastards.

[synthesis]

I don't see how Santa Claus is a capitalist symbol - I consider him the icon for giving without expectation of receiving (the ideal socialist/communist citizen - as opposed to the capitalist, who receives without intention to give)... maybe that's just me.

(Edited by DyerMaker at 3:06 am on Dec. 29, 2002)

[Tkinter1]

This is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on che-lives. They show santa drinking a coke, and you blow it out to the point where they have santas going door to door telling kids to 'buy coke or get coal'. Pure idiocy.

[Som]

http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/santa.asp

That explains everything very nicely. Santa Claus is just a cultural evolutionary tidbit, NOT created by coca-cola at all. Its trivial and unimportant, perhaps an echo of materialism, but far from the 'personification of capitalism', Especially since saint nicolas, the actual of sorts santa claus used to go handing around gold to the poor.

From the site, a summary of that:

"At the beginning of the 1930s, the burgeoning Coca-Cola company was still looking for ways to increase sales of their product during winter, then a slow time of year for the soft drink market. They turned to a talented commercial illustrator named Haddon Sundblom, who created a series of memorable drawings that associated the figure of a larger than life, red-and-white garbed Santa Claus with Coca-Cola."
"The success of this advertising campaign has helped fuel the legend that Coca-Cola actually invented the image of the modern Santa Claus"
"This legend is not true. Although some versions of the Santa Claus figure still had him attired in various colors of outfits past the beginning of the 20th century, the jolly, ruddy, sack-carrying Santa with a red suit and flowing white whiskers had become the standard image of Santa Claus by the 1920s, several years before Sundlom drew his first Santa illustration for Coca-Cola. As The New York Times reported on 27 November 1927:
A standardized Santa Claus appears to New York children. Height, weight, stature are almost exactly standardized, as are the red garments, the hood and the white whiskers. The pack full of toys, ruddy cheeks and nose, bushy eyebrows and a jolly, paunchy effect are also inevitable parts of the requisite make-up. "

[ComradeJunichi]

I don't really care about Santa, and if it was created by Coca-Cola. There are other things to think/worry about, and this doesn't interest me.

However the Coca-Cola polar bear, that's a different story.

[Stormin Norman]

Som is right. Santa is hardly an invention of the Coca Cola Company. They were simply one of the first companies that saw the benefit of using his legend in their marketing schemes. Hardly the epitome of capitalism. The folklore surrounding Santa comes from a time period prior to the existence of capitalism. I stand behind my original statement that the anarchist is a dip shit. I think he deserves hall of fame mention.

Here is a detailed account of the history of Santa Claus. I did learn that Montgomery Wards created Rudolph the red nose raindeer. Its too bad that Montogmery Wards couldn't evolve and have since declared bankruptcy. They were of the old school and they represent a different, more innocent time in American capitalism. This seem to have been more honest and simple back then. Then again people will probably look back and say the same about our current epoch.

http://www.the-north-pole.com/history/

[peoplenotprofits]

Santa Claus doesnt exist. the same way "government" does'nt exist.

[bombeverything]

Quote: from the anarchist on 11:52 pm on Dec. 26, 2002

when you see a santa dont smile at him, attack him and end this stupid capitalization of culture....


Erm, please tell me how an attack on Santa would put an end to Capitalism.