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MaxB
26th December 2002, 17:02
Socialism and Christianity

By Gary Benoit

ITEM: In his new book The August Coup, Mikhail Gorbachev states that socialism "...is an idea that draws strength from many achievements of Christianity .... "

Correction: Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable. One is based on the atheistic philosophy found in the Communist Manifesto; the other is based on the deity of Jesus Christ.

Anyone who doubts that the Communist Manifesto is also a socialist manifesto need only read Frederick Engels' preface to the 1888 edition, which declares that the Communist Manifesto "is undoubtedly the most widespread, the most international production of all Socialist literature, the common platform acknowledged by millions of working men from Siberia to California."

But why wasn't it called a "Socialist Manifesto" instead? According to Engels, "Socialism was, in 1847, a middle-class movement, Communism a working-class movement .... And as our notion, from the very beginning, was that 'the emancipation of the working class must be the act of the working class itself,' there could be no doubt as to which of the two names we must take."

Socialism means economic control of the people by government. In a socialist country, the state is all-powerful. Such an all-powerful state views itself — and not God — as the ultimate authority. It is not surprising, therefore, that the Communist Manifesto calls for abolishing family, marriage, countries, and religion as well as private property. Under the socialist system the state determines what is right and wrong — without any competing loyalties to God, family, or country.

Karl Marx, the principal author of the Communist Manifesto, once called religion "the opium of the people." Marx viewed man as mere matter that can be shaped, and perfected, by his external environment. How different this is from the Christian view that man has an eternal soul and is responsible for his own actions!

It is impossible for a true Christian to be a socialist or for a true socialist to be a Christian. Nevertheless, socialists have cleverly twisted the scriptures in order to make their materialistic philosophy appear Christian. As Marx explained in the Communist Manifesto: "Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a Socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the State? Has it not preached, in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church."

Michael De Panama
26th December 2002, 17:43
I don't normally like to respond to your inane copy and paste threads, but I just need to point something out to you.

Communism is a socialist philosophy. All communist societies will also be socialist. This doesn't make all socialist societies communist, and certainly doesn't make all socialist societies Marxist. Now I know you aren't intelligent enough to form your own thoughts, but at least try stealing your arguments from people who know what the word "socialism" means.

There's plenty of Christian Socialist groups all throughout the world. None of them are athiest. There's no contradiction. Socialism wasn't invented by Karl Marx. Do a little bit of research, and quite wasting everyone's time.

Xvall
26th December 2002, 21:39
Socialism is much like Christianity, in some aspects. Let's see some of the wonderful things Jesus Christ said in the bible about capitalism:

Matthew (19:23)
"And Jesus said to his disciples, Verily I say to you, A rich man will with difficulty enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew (19:24)
"Again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."

Mark (10:23)
"And when Jesus had looked around, he said to his disciples, With what difficulty shall they who have riches enter into the kingdom of God!"

Mark (10:24)
"And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus again replying, said to them, Children, how difficult is it for those who have confidence in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!"

Jesus apparently does not appreciate capitalism.

new democracy
26th December 2002, 21:48
MaxB, the way you present atheism make it sound bad. what is so bad about it? that atheists do not believe in "god"(a fiction made by man)? what did religion contributed to humanity? dictators, wars, superstition, oppression of women and homosexuals, prevention of technological development, etc. you know what the christians thought will cure the black plague? shooting to the air with cannons and ringing bells! i fail to understand why you present religion so positively.

SentinelofDestiny
27th December 2002, 02:56
Religion gives people hope, and if executed correctly. makes them better people.
However, I will admit that a great many people have exploited religouly belief for their own nefarious ends. This is true for almost everything though.

synthesis
27th December 2002, 05:15
Socialism inspired communism...they are not one and the same.

Communism was, essentially, Karl Marx taking the (highly successful) socialist experiments in Germany (Prussia? Austria? Arg, I forgot) to their logical conclusion.

http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_...d_communism.htm (http://www.marxmail.org/faq/socialism_and_communism.htm)

Umoja
27th December 2002, 05:18
Hey MaxB, I don't give a Damn what Marx or Engels said. I suppose that kills some of your arguements.

redstar2000
27th December 2002, 16:17
"It is impossible for a true Christian to be a socialist or for a true socialist to be a Christian."

If you substitute the word "communist" for the word "socialist", the statement is correct.

So, Max, you got one right...demonstrating that even a broken watch will tell the correct time twice a day.

But WHEN are you going to start trusting your OWN writing skills?

:cool:

Moskitto
27th December 2002, 17:24
Socialism was invented by Karl Marx, LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah, I suppose John Ball, Thomas More, Plato, The Levelers, were all time travellers then?

no, don't listen to MaxB, he believes in time travel,

Beccie
28th December 2002, 01:10
It’s impossible for a Capitalist to be a true Christian.

The Pharisees (the capitalists of Jesus' world) were extremely religious but they had no clue. Jesus despised them and constantly denounced them.

BTW no one needs to twist what the bible says. The messages are loud and clear.

Not one message supports Capitalism, if anything the evengalists strongly oppose the Capatilst system.


(Edited by Commie01 at 1:15 am on Dec. 28, 2002)

Rob
28th December 2002, 02:44
Yes yes most of the case for the reconcilliation of Christianity and Socialism has been made by some of the other good people here, but to add two points: Moskitto has already mentioned Thomas More, and to that I'll add the fact the Thomas More was a Christian. And, to add to the list of Bible quotes, "the last shall be first and the first shall be last" (I'm pretty sure that's how it goes. A good enough paraphrasing anyway).