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MaxB
26th December 2002, 16:57
Christianity vs. Socialism
By Joshua A. Claybourn

I was surprised recently to hear one of my friends say that Jesus and the disciples practiced socialism, and that because they did our government should as well. As a Christian and an economics and public policy major, this sparked my interest.

For those of you following along in your Bibles, my socialist friend was referring to Acts 4:32-37. However the Bible, even in these verses, is far from endorsing socialism. There is a strong difference between Christians voluntarily giving of their plurality to those in need, as they did in Acts, than a government system where you lose your rights to private property and the government forces you to give under penalty of death or jail.

It's wrong, morally wrong, to take 40 percent of what someone earns when there is no pressing need for it, and especially when the government could raise more dollars by lowering the rates. Supply-side economists will tell you that it works; lowering taxes will spur economic activity and eventually raise government revenue.

Part of the problem comes from our narrow-minded view of how the economy works. We tend to view it as a "zero-sum" game in which there is a finite amount of wealth, goods, and services so it must somehow be distributed evenly. But if this were true, we would have never moved out of the Middle Ages, economically speaking. There is more wealth and goods now because we re-invested it and increased research and development for great innovations.

When President Clinton signed welfare reform into law in 1994, the number of poor dropped dramatically and almost immediately- just as Republican tax cuts and deregulation in 1982 fostered an explosion of new businesses. Only then did it pay to invest and work, imagine and invent…and hire, hire, hire. Socialism presents no incentive for this advancement, but capitalism does. Communism solves this obstacle through a threat of death - hardly a Christian principle.

The Bible never specifically endorses any economic system. Perhaps, from the Matthew story in the Bible about a rich man, we should teach that being rich isn't admirable, even if it's achieved through noble means. But we should also teach that taking from some by force, and giving to others who we (or more likely, career politicians) think are more deserving is also wrong, and stupid. It's like killing the goose that lays the golden egg.

We should demand that the government decrease its size, intrusion, and top-down approach to economics. I hope, though, that we simultaneously increase our own personal giving to the poor, needy, and not-for-profit organizations. Anyone can argue against social programs, but it should be balanced with a giving heart from our own personal pockets. It is up to us to teach these noble values, not the misguided, bloated, and inefficient government.

Sirion
26th December 2002, 17:57
Well, well, well... ANOTHER copy-paste post, without a single thought of your own.

Why do you care to do this? The short time I've been here on the forum (I have been looking for a few weeks), you have only posted texts other people has written, and not replied to them later.

A piece of friendly advice:

You can use your time better. Either write your own words here, or spend your time somewhere else.

Comrade Daniel
26th December 2002, 21:32
MaxB is just here to irritate us you have to understand Sirion what you say is completly correct he copies every shit. Anyways just ignore the stupid filthy capitalist. Or fight I'm with your words (our hands If he lives in your neigbourhood :))

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
26th December 2002, 21:49
MaxB how do explain that Jezus was handling fish and bread to the mass while not considering themselfs. It's the absolute act of socialism.

But well ya you're right of course copy paste looser.

guerrillaradio
26th December 2002, 23:55
Max - for future reference: if you post two identical topics within such close proximity again, I'll delete the second one. You help noone with two identical threads.

pastradamus
27th December 2002, 00:25
max,you fucking spastic,do you actually exist as a person,or are you just a computer programmed to copy & paste stuff day & fucking night?

I will agree compleatly with CCCP's previous post.
Jesus was the first socialist.

Umoja
27th December 2002, 05:21
MaxB, you totally made me a better socialist, and a better Christian at the same time, you intended to do that right?

Behind enemy lines
27th December 2002, 10:00
hehe, maybe we could use MaxB's posts as a propaganda against capitalism. Show people the capatilist mind set. I'm sure more people would turn to socialism then:)

redstar2000
27th December 2002, 16:05
:o STOP SPAM! :o

Moskitto
27th December 2002, 17:27
ah ha, weakness in his arguement, if people choose to give their stuff into a commune then it wouldn't be socialism,

MaxB
27th December 2002, 20:50
Guerrillaradio, you ignorant fool, the two posts are not identical. That's how stupid you are.

guerrillaradio
27th December 2002, 23:54
Quote: from MaxB on 8:50 pm on Dec. 27, 2002
Guerrillaradio, you ignorant fool, the two posts are not identical. That's how stupid you are.

What a comeback. Full of rebuttals, justification and argument. Here's the deal: I don't care whether you consider them identical or not, I'm the one with the moderating power. And they are identical. :)

Anonymous
28th December 2002, 00:04
(Edited by Dark Capitalist at 5:05 am on Dec. 28, 2002)

Beccie
28th December 2002, 00:49
Quote: from MaxB on 4:57 pm on Dec. 26, 2002
It's wrong, morally wrong, to take 40 percent of what someone earns when there is no pressing need for it, and especially when the government could raise more dollars by lowering the rates.

Its morally wrong that Capitalism thrives of poverty. It’s morally wrong that millions of people are starving whilst food in the first world rots. It’s morally wrong that there are enough resources in this world for everyone to live of but Capitalists own most of it. It’s morally wrong to put money/profit before people.

Nothing is more morally wrong then Capitalism.

Non-Sectarian Bastard!
28th December 2002, 02:49
Quote: from pastradamus on 12:25 am on Dec. 27, 2002
max,you fucking spastic,do you actually exist as a person,or are you just a computer programmed to copy & paste stuff day & fucking night?

I will agree compleatly with CCCP's previous post.
Jesus was the first socialist.



I don't believe that there is a such thing as "God" and "Jezus". But the writer of the Bible must have been one of the first socialists.

anti machine
28th December 2002, 06:27
Notice how our good friend Max never responds to the criticisms we offer in his own post. He just finds a tasty little conservative article, usually three or four, and goes to work. This is called flooding, and done so without the dignity of responding to the replies or offering any defense of his positions. He is incapable of a formal argument, intellectual thought, and of obtaining that thing which we like to call "a life".

Ban the motherfucker. I grow tired of his numerous, bullshit threads.

anti machine
28th December 2002, 06:28
By the way, great sig CCCP

Umoja
28th December 2002, 07:48
CCCP, you don't believe that Jesus ever existed at all? Oh, well then, I can somehow respect your atheism now, and I don't know why.

mentalbunny
28th December 2002, 12:49
Hmm, well there's nothign new for me to say here, my comrades have sid it all already!

MaxB, why waste your time? You are not haven't the effect you want, you are having the reverse, ok?

Do I make myself clear?

oh and GR, don't get too power happy, it's not a nice personality trait!

Geddan
28th December 2002, 21:39
Wasn't Spartacus the first socialist? Jesus was the second!

Lysenko
28th December 2002, 23:45
Sparaticus? I dont think he was anything more than a slave fighting for freedom. I doubt he was a socialist, unless someone can prove differently.

apathy maybe
29th December 2002, 06:08
Real Communism there is no government to force any one to do anything. People just Do it.

mentalbunny
29th December 2002, 16:30
Spartacus was sort of a socialist, like it's been said, he was a slave fighting for freedom, not equality for all, but it was still, to an extent, a socialist act because it was trying to make that society more equal.