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[Stormin Norman]

I know the answer to why we are even barred from the most benign forum on this sight, The Lounge. It is simply because the tapeworms know that we have greater strength and they remain weaker than us in their arguments. Therefore they feel it is necessary to get dibs on dispensing their propaganda in order to combat the truth. Haven't you learned that you can not hide from the truth? It will seep into your soul. You can either chose to accept it and change to the side of the just, or you can try to fight it and let it comsume you. In any event, the side of evil loses. If you renounce your communist ways, I am sure we can see it in our hearts to forgive your previous transgressions.

[Xvall]

We don't allow you into the lounge because this is an Internationalist Forum for Che Admirers. This site was never intended to be Socialist-Capitalist Debate Fourm. Does the title say otherwise? No. We don't allow you in Lounge because we used to allow Capitalists in Lounge, and all they did was make repetative posts whenever a new member came saying:

" Your ideology is flawed! You are going down the wrong path! America is the land of freedom! Communism killed 593,542,147,325,422 people! "

Pretty much. I don't see why you NEED to be allowed in Lounge, let alone want to.

[Corvus Corax]

So you keep saying your arguements are stronger than ours, but unless you can actually find documented proof, and not made up bullshit (which is usually what you rely on), then i am just going to laugh at you, because you are in fact, a joke.

[chamo]

A joke indeed, ha!

also you must be congratulated on not being able to count in your bullshit definition of socialists; 1,2,3,3,4...

[Moskitto]

we used to allow you into chit chat, then someone decided to turn everything into capitalism vs socialism, you were allright in chit chat though i think,

[Hayduke]

Oh come on, do you just type that bullshit for the hack of it, or do you take it serious ?

"It is simply because the tapeworms know that we have greater strength and they remain weaker than us in their arguments."

If we would really feel like this, we could also ban you, instead we made a forum public to even guest's, to let you debate with us.

Is this thread, a lack of arguments on us SN ? it surely seems so.

[American Kid]

All this "I am mightier than you" partisanship is counter-productive.

Goddamn it we're allsmart.............
-AK

[BOZG]

Yes, Norm you're right. It is so we can brainwash people before you can show them the right path in life. If you actually read any of the topics in the Lounge, you would see that most posts consist of "Welcome to the forum comrade". Or maybe, the "comrade" triggers the brainwashing effect. Come up with something else to ***** about or better yet, just leave.

[James]

lol @ moron.

Hey SM, get a life peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer-lease!

[Lardlad95]

SN sounds like some kinda evil prophet from the Lord of the Rings

"I will seep into your soul"

keep up the good work

[Tkinter1]

"Hey SM, get a life peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer-lease! "

Yeah becuase you're so cool james.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Norm, buddy, pal, friend, amigo, comrad, they don't allow your filthy, lying, putrid carcass into the lounge is because your gonna bomabard us with your moronic, untrue, idotic, dumbass, capitalist, McCarthyist, bullshit.
All you Capies use for disscussion material is your own opinions and no facts, try reading some unbiased statistics, unbiased articles, unbiased books, unbiased anything, in fact, you can just read anything published ouitside the US. : )

We'll probably forgive you once you see the truth. Your simply blinded, Norm.

[Tkinter1]

Becuase it's impossible for there to be an untrue communist source. I swear you guys must believe everything as long as it is anti-American. You really don't know what you're talking about when you say that every American piece of literature is pro-american or biased. When I look through my SS book, I can cleary see that it is not Pro or anti-anything, as it is in Cuba, or as it was in the USSR. Name me one Communist state that has had more freedom of speech/press. You make it seem like Capitalism is inhibating free speech, and Communism would embrace it.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 12:09 am on Dec. 25, 2002)

[Xvall]

Communist states have never existed. The whole concept of a Communist 'state' is laughable. Under Communism, the state is to dissolve.

[synthesis]

Name me one Communist state that has had more freedom of speech/press.

I find it interesting that you say that. A Marxist country MUST have freedom of speech, for that is the word of Marx!

http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works...press/index.htm (http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1842/free-press/index.htm)

Therefore, if a Marxist government does not have free speech, it is not Marxist!

[Tkinter1]

Yeah thats the word of marx....

Suffianr,

And you're right it is funny that I say that, becuase they all seem to be failures.

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 3:24 am on Dec. 25, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Moskitto on 4:38 pm on Dec. 24, 2002
we used to allow you into chit chat, then someone decided to turn everything into capitalism vs socialism...

No...what happened was CI and SN started lecturing us on how suicide was for the weak. ****s.

[Anonymous]

I was banned because I revived the thread on dead baby jokes.

[Comrade Daniel]

Yeah, but that's stupid.

(Edited by Comrade Daniel at 10:44 am on Dec. 26, 2002)

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 4:24 pm on Dec. 25, 2002
I was banned because I revived the thread on dead baby jokes.

LMAO...shush DC, stop making me giggle. :biggrin:

[MaxB]

This site (che-lives) is representation of Marxist society. As such, freedom of expression is very limited. Notice how the word "tolerated" is used. Also notice how most of these Leftists resort to profanity when they run out of argument and contantly are screaming to "ban" people when they don't like what you're saying. So to look "good" they "tolerate" you in one of their forums and then claim that they practice Democracy. Most of these imbeciles "Lefties" here have probably not even read the first page of Das Kapital or Communist Manifesto. Imagine that some of these illiterates claim that Socialism is peaceful and "democratic" when Marx called for a "violent" revolution to overthrow the "present" system and a "dictatorship of the proletariat" where opposing views were to be squashed. ---:-)Some "democracy"----haha.
The sad thing is that some of there "people" still beleive that you can achieve the "perfect Utopia". They are so deranged and pathetic that they are almost funny.

[Hayduke]

Quote: from MaxB on 9:50 pm on Dec. 26, 2002
This site (che-lives) is representation of Marxist society. As such, freedom of expression is very limited. Notice how the word "tolerated" is used. Also notice how most of these Leftists resort to profanity when they run out of argument and contantly are screaming to "ban" people when they don't like what you're saying. So to look "good" they "tolerate" you in one of their forums and then claim that they practice Democracy. Most of these imbeciles "Lefties" here have probably not even read the first page of Das Kapital or Communist Manifesto. Imagine that some of these illiterates claim that Socialism is peaceful and "democratic" when Marx called for a "violent" revolution to overthrow the "present" system and a "dictatorship of the proletariat" where opposing views were to be squashed. ---:-)Some "democracy"----haha.
The sad thing is that some of there "people" still beleive that you can achieve the "perfect Utopia". They are so deranged and pathetic that they are almost funny.

Its pretty sad when people compare a message board to a country, and then actually seeing it as a serious argument.

Oh MAXB, finally something that isnt pasted and you bring us this.

[Comrade Daniel]

MaxB fuck off please. VIEZE KLOOTZAK if you understand
:)

[peaccenicked]

""This site (che-lives) is representation of Marxist society. ''
There is no such thing as a Marxist society. Marx had a vision of society without classes, he was not the first and by no means will be the last. The site represents nobody but ourselves and only that which concerns the scope of this bb which is very limited considering we have no political power beyond the expreesion of our views.


''As such, freedom of expression is very limited. Notice how the word "tolerated" is used. Also notice how most of these Leftists resort to profanity when they run out of argument and contantly are screaming to "ban" people when they don't like what you're saying. So to look "good" they "tolerate" you in one of their forums and then claim that they practice Democracy.''


Very limited.? I have seen none of your views censored.
Capi views are held to this one forum which is pretty generous since it is a socialist forum.
What has been not tolerated is racist, pornographic, or
terroristic. Something that is common practice in US
institutions and most web providers.

Stalinists on this bb have been restricted occaissionally too, for their own brand of filth.

''Most of these imbeciles "Lefties" here have probably not even read the first page of Das Kapital or Communist Manifesto. Imagine that some of these illiterates claim that Socialism is peaceful and "democratic" when Marx called for a "violent" revolution to overthrow the "present" system and a "dictatorship of the proletariat" where opposing views were to be squashed. ---:-)Some "democracy"----haha.
The sad thing is that some of there "people" still beleive that you can achieve the "perfect Utopia". They are so deranged and pathetic that they are almost funny.''

Socialism is a type of society. It is both peaceful and democratic but it is no utopia, it will still be stained by the yoke of capitalism. The nearest Marx gets to a utopian like sentiment is ''the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all''. This the guiding principle of socialism, if that sounds like perfection to you then perhaps you should become a socialist.

Maxb. A revolution is not a type of society.
It is the change from one type of society to another.

The American revolution was violent it replaced British monarchists with republican democrats.
Why was it violent because the Brits did not want to give America independence they had to take it.

In the same way the majority of the population should declare their independence from a tiny elite of super rich warmongers. This what was meant by the ''dictatorship of the proletariat". What do you think are the chances of the capitalist class giving up their power peacefully.
As Ken Livingstone said "If voting changed anything they would abolish it.
Marx was also critical of Blanquism which was the idea that a revolution could come about by coup d etat by the minority.
For Marx, the majority had to want it.


Now lets see.
That makes you totally wrong and ignorant on the very subject you think you know something about.

[MaxB]

Peacenicked, you don't know what Democracy is. If I want to be racist (by the way, I'm not), then racist I'll be.
That is my porrogative. I can be anything I want and I don't have to kiss anybody's ass because of their skin color or because some limousine Left winger says so.

[Moskitto]

MaxB, are you implying that you're allies in western europe, who follow you're lead so much, are infact undemocratic because racist comments in private are illegal?

[peaccenicked]

Democracy is defined fairly enough here.
http://www.maitreg.com/politics/myths/myths.asp

You are confusing democracy and free speech.
The majority can vote to impose penalties on racists.

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,...7,56294,00.html (http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,56294,00.html)

And in the United states.
http://www1.law.ucla.edu/~volokh/harass/

[Stormin Norman]

"limousine Left winger"

I like that one. I think I will have to use it in the future.


As much as I hate to admit it, Peacedick is right. You are confusing free-speech with what some consider to be the definition of democracy. Some hold a simplistic view of democracy, claiming that it is nothing more than majority rule. In fact, most political scientists would agree with you, MaxB. Free speech and freedom from persecution of thought are fundamental to a true democracy. You have a right to spout as many racist comments as you like. However, when you act on these proclivities by way of violence or discrimination you are infringing on the rights of others. When you cross that line, you are in violation of the law. I would defend anyones right to be as racist as they want, simply out of the principle of free-speech, no matter how much it pains me when they use it for such vile purposes. I guarantee that I will just as vocal in denouncing their racism.