Excellence in Journalism, Or Just Hot Air?

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ok, so i emailed bill o'reilly.:rolleyes:
i tried to be polite, but i did call him a coward and a bully. doesn't the ability to email this guy motivate you guys to do so?
i said it is a sad day when people tune into a news source for relevant commentary and only get invective and pejorative towards anyone with a left-leaning belief structure.:closedeyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wOpbUgAwBE
if you feel interested in sharing your opinion with this schoolyard bully, his email is:
[email protected]
he has a different email addy for his "premium members", but im not giving him any money just so i can call him a toolbag. maybe TomK would like to fund a premium membership for the revleft crowd? it would go nicely with his recent acquisition of a CPA membership.:D

[Bud Struggle]

I can't do that--sigh.

If you know anything about the way I operate or post around here I NEVER resort to nor do I believe in any kind of flameing or personal invective. I don't think Bill O' is "bad" in any way--I think he truly believes what he's saying and wants the best for the America people.

You may not agree with him--but I don't believe he's operating in "bad faith" in the same way I don't believe the Communist around here are operiating in "bad faith."

Everyone wants todo the best for the greatest amount of people--their ways just differ.

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I don't think Bill O' is "bad" in any way--I think he truly believes what he's saying and wants the best for the America people.

then why does he bully and verbally abuse his guests? if he wants the best for the american people wouldn't he be interested in rational debate? bill o'reilly is a neo-con who likes the sound of his own voice, in my opinion. im bummed you won't fund it, but i understand and agree with your reasons.

[pusher robot]

Bill O'Reilly is an egotistical tool of gargantuan proportions also prone to temper tantrums, no doubt. But keep in mind their are egotistical tools of gargantuan proportion who hold opposing viewpoints as well. That's the American Way. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and such.

[Robert]

an egotistical tool

I disagree. He is NYC rude and systematically violates his offer to let his guests "have the last word," but he's not exactly egotistical. I've seen his speeches to the Harvard Business School and he's quite self-effacing. You have to listen to the content to detect it.

Anyway, doesn't the fact that he regularly reads negative viewer mail count for something? Keith Olbermann, everyone's favorite liberal, never debates anyone, never mind read angry viewer mail as O'Reilly does.

Bottom line: dude, change the channel.

[Sir Comradical]

Fox news never represented serious journalism. O'reilly is human garbage, he deserves a brain tumour.

[al8]

I for one thing love O'Reilly's rudness and singel-mindedness. If only he were a socialist.

[Chapter 24]

Fuck the guy and everything he stands for.

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I for one thing love O'Reilly's rudness and singel-mindedness. If only he were a socialist.
why, so even more people would be pushed away from the concept due to someone with an asshole for a mouth?

[Bud Struggle]

I for one thing love O'Reilly's rudness and singel-mindedness. If only he were a socialist.

He's fit in good in the Commie Club. :lol:

[Robert]

everything he stands for.

He's against the death penalty. Fuck that, too, eh?

It's obvious you guys have never watched the show. You watch snippets of the show brought to you by Keith he-won't-debate-anybody Olbermoron.

[Jazzratt]

He's against the death penalty. Fuck that, too, eh?

Yes. Fuck that and fuck him.


It's obvious you guys have never watched the show. You watch snippets of the show

Correct, but based on those snippets and various writings about him (by conservatives, generally) I have formed the opinion that 1) he's not worth listening to and 2) he carries on as if he is and 3) arguing with him would be a lot like coming on to this board if the moderators edited your posts out mid-sentence (cutting you off) and wrote their reply over it (talking over you). I may like to call people fuckwits, but I let them have their say first - all the better for them to condemn themselves, after all.


brought to you by Keith he-won't-debate-anybody Olbermoron.

Who the hell is this Keith prick you keep bringing up?

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He's against the death penalty. Fuck that, too, eh?

It's obvious you guys have never watched the show. You watch snippets of the show brought to you by Keith he-won't-debate-anybody Olbermoron.
as the OP of this thread i feel i should share.:)
i do occasionally watch his show, and he is a proponent of the death penalty as often as he is opposed to it. I also wouldn't call it "debate" when you shout down your guests, or interrupt them mid-sentence to tell them they're stupid. Keith Olbermann, who i also watch occasionally, never screams at people or calls illegal immigrants human trash, or really does any of the despicable things O'Reilly does. your right, he doesn't debate anyone. what a huge loss, some biased mouthpiece doesn't want his views challenged. I'd care less if O'Reilly didn't "debate" anyone either.

[Robert]

or calls illegal immigrants human trash

Did you hear him say that, or hear Keith Olbermann claim that he did? And are you sure that if he did, he wasn't referring to a child rapist who happened to be an alien? I do not believe that any talking head on any channel could get away with such a sweeping and hateful statement.


he is a proponent of the death penalty

Really? So am I in certain cases, but still, I find this claim suspect. Back it up and I'll apologize for questioning you.


Keith Olbermann, who i also watch occasionally, never screams at people Why should he raise his voice if he never allows a contrarian view on his show? Against whom would he raise it? John Dean?

What Keith does is vilify people, at least two or three per night, as I recall, and never, ever allow them or any of their supporters a chance to rebut his claims. I simply do not believe that you countenance that.

As for O'Reilly cutting people off and not giving them the last word when he promises he will, I already conceded that point. Evidently their skin is thick enough to take it, for they return regularly.

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Did you hear him say that, or hear Keith Olbermann claim that he did? And are you sure that if he did, he wasn't referring to a child rapist who happened to be an alien? I do not believe that any talking head on any channel could get away with such a sweeping and hateful statement.
actually, he was referring to an illegal immigrant who was involved in a drunk driving accident. he says "that guy-those people are trash" its funny because hes arguing with another toolbag mouthpiece.

Really? So am I in certain cases, but still, I find this claim suspect. Back it up and I'll apologize for questioning you.
while he constantly claims to be against the death penalty, he never fails to claim people got what they deserved, or that people who commit some crimes should be given it. my problem with this isn't his opinion on it, but my opinion on it. i think no one deserves to be killed as a form of justice. its not really teaching anything, other than fear.

Why should he raise his voice if he never allows a contrarian view on his show? Against whom would he raise it? John Dean?
point made.

What Keith does is vilify people, at least two or three per night, as I recall, and never, ever allow them or any of their supporters a chance to rebut his claims. I simply do not believe that you countenance that.
no, i think Olberman is a tool too, he just doesn't humiliate people to their face. its a degree of separation. its not like i support one over the other, they are both biased political windbags.

As for O'Reilly cutting people off and not giving them the last word when he promises he will, I already conceded that point. Evidently their skin is thick enough to take it, for they return regularly.
who has done a return on his show? who would go back for such verbal abuse? a masochist maybe. or a true idiot. its not just his last word bull, its his systemic (i like that word:)) practice of cutting people off before they can even respond to his questions or statements, which he ASKS them to reply to.
im not saying olberman is much better, and i would include his punditry in my less than positive view of the american news media. i just feel like i'd rather watch keith olberman not debate anyone than watch bill o'reilly treat people like garbage to their face.
maybe they can both do a sitdown special where they just have a primal screaming session at each other before battling to the death with axes.

[Robert]

Repeat guests who disagree with O'Reilly? Are you kidding?

Here's a handful come to mind: Malik Zulu Shabazz, leader of the New Black Panther Party, has been on a number of times, Al Sharpton is on at least once a month, it seems. Sen. Chuck Schumer is on now and then. Lisa Lange of PETA has been on at least twice that I can remember. Geraldine Ferraro is a big liberal who appears now and then. Ellis Henican and Juan Williams are frequent foils, but they work for Fox and, to be honest, seems to be one of O'Reilly's buddies.

p.s. Thanks

[Killfacer]

Can someone explain who this guy is? I assume hes one of those deranged aggressive right wingers you have in America who presents one of your deranged aggressive right wing programs?

I saw a clip of someone like this guy (if it is this guy then ok) where he shouted abuse at some bloke whos dad died in 9/11 and who was saying the war in Iraq was wrong. He shouted abuse at him then told him he was a disgrace to his dad or somin.

[pusher robot]

Can someone explain who this guy is? I assume hes one of those deranged aggressive right wingers you have in America who presents one of your deranged aggressive right wing programs?

I saw a clip of someone like this guy (if it is this guy then ok) where he shouted abuse at some bloke whos dad died in 9/11 and who was saying the war in Iraq was wrong. He shouted abuse at him then told him he was a disgrace to his dad or somin.

Actually he's not that right-wing. He fancies himself an old-fashioned populist. He is a blowhard though. His show is good mainly for entertainment value, as he frequently has guests that are as combative as he is.

[Chapter 24]

He's against the death penalty. Fuck that, too, eh?

It's obvious you guys have never watched the show. You watch snippets of the show brought to you by Keith he-won't-debate-anybody Olbermoron.

No, I've watched the show. If my opinion of him were positive, though, I'm sure you wouldn't doubt that. I'm not interested in O'Reilly or Olbermann and for that matter who's bringing him up besides you?
If I think O'Reilly is a neoconservative scumbag who won't let his guests get their word in because he disagrees with them - whether it's Jeremy Glick or Richard Dawkins or someone else expressing their [opposing] viewpoint, he'll use strawmen arguments, interrupt them constantly, make weak comparisons, use insults, and other petty tactics - then that's my opinion. Unless of course he has someone on with the same viewpoint in which case it's a friendly little chat between the two.
Maybe the "fuck everything he stands for" thing was too much of an extreme statement, but I'm not going to be an apologist for him and compare him to his counterpart Olbermann, saying, "Well at least he actually interviews people." Because to be honest I'm no fan of pundits of any kind and quite frankly they can all go fuck themselves.

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

I occasionally watch the show and I read "The No Spin Zone" when I was a kid. Even then I knew it was a load of horseshit. The man's a dingbat and a bully.

[Sir Comradical]

Robert the Great: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysoOB9w0tF4

[Robert]

or Olbermann and for that matter who's bringing him up besides you?

You got me there. I may be a little obsessed with Keith Olbermann. I get the most satisfying rush when I click him off. Maybe I have a little crush on him.

I said MAYBE!

[Bud Struggle]

You got me there. I may be a little obsessed with Keith Olbermann. I get the most satisfying rush when I click him off. Maybe I have a little crush on him.

I said MAYBE!

This place sucks without Robert the Great! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::hammersickle:

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This place sucks without Robert the Great! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::hammersickle:
this place would suck without the humor both of you dirty capitalist pigs bring.:)
i remember back in the day there was just a tyrannical mod that everyone trolled for giggles.

[Bud Struggle]

this place would suck without the humor both of you dirty capitalist pigs bring.:)
i remember back in the day there was just a tyrannical mod that everyone trolled for giggles.

Jazzratt is a great mod. :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

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it wasnt him,
i think jazzratt is a cool guy, he moderates aliens and isn't afraid of any leftist.
Comrade R.A.F or sommat like that. he had quite the temper as i remember.
why, if he were still here i'd be a OI'er for sure.:)...:(...:)