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[James]

Nestle claims £3.7m from famine-hit Ethiopia

Charlotte Denny
Thursday December 19, 2002
The Guardian

The multinational coffee corporation, Nestle, is demanding a $6m (£3.7m) payment from the government of the world's poorest state, Ethiopia, as the country struggles to combat its worst famine for nearly 20 years.
The money is compensation for an Ethiopian business which the previous military government nationalised in 1975. It could feed a million people for a month, according to Oxfam.

The cash-strapped Ethiopian government has offered to pay $1.5m to settle the claim, but yesterday Nestle, which bought the firm's German parent company in 1986, was standing by its demand, insisting it was a "matter of principle".

"In the interest of continued flows of foreign direct investment which is critical for developing countries, it is highly desirable that conflicts are resolved according to international law and in a spirit of fairness," a spokesman for the company said.

Nestle's chief executive, Peter Brabeck-Letmathe, acknowledged three years ago that the company had responsibilities beyond its bottom line. "We are going to be asked: what have you done to fight hunger in developing countries?" he said.

Last month Ethiopia's prime minister Meles Zenawi said that 6 million people in his country needed emergency food aid and that the number could rise to 15 million within months.

The famine, brought on by the failure of rains for the third year in a row has been intensified by a collapse in the price of coffee which supports a quarter of the country's population. Nestle, the world's largest coffee processor, made $5.5bn in profits last year.

Aid agencies have reacted furiously to the company's demand.

"At the very least Nestle ought to be accepting the settlement offered by the Ethiopian government," said Sophia Tickell, a policy analyst at Oxfam. "But frankly they should be thinking about how the money could be spent on famine relief and drop the claim altogether."

Ethiopia has the lowest income per head in the world, with the average person surviving on $100 a year. More than a tenth of its children die before their first birthday.

Aid agencies are worried that the crisis could be even worse than the 1984 disaster in which a million people died.

"Drought is threatening many farmers with the prospect of famine," Ms Tickell said. "Nestle, by contrast continues to thrive. The company does not need $6m. It is a highly profitable company which could easily live up to its commitment to 'help fight hunger in developing countries' by writing off this claim."

The World Bank has stepped in to negotiate, but there were few signs yesterday that the company was preparing to back down. "This is a question of principle. The negotiations are ongoing and it would be rash to predict an outcome at the moment," Francois Perroud of Nestle said.

In 1986 Nestle bought a German company, Schweisfurth Group which had a majority share in the Ethiopian Livestock Development Company (Elidco) seized by the Ethiopian government more than 25 years ago. The government sold Elidco to a local firm for $8.7m four years ago.

Although the exact size of Schweisfurth's share in Elidco is uncertain, the Ethiopian government is willing to pay$1.5m - just over half the value of the company at the time of nationalisation including interest. But Nestle is insisting it convert the payment at 1975 exchange rates, adding a further $4.5m to the bill.

"It is perfectly appropriate to try and find a solution to a conflict which has existed since 1975," Mr Perroud said. "We are the owners of a claim against the Ethiopian government."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/0,1...,862655,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/0,12128,862655,00.html)

[James]

this is fucking disgusting. There is no excuse. This makes me so pissed off. This is why capitalism must be controlled or ended complelety. No doubt some fascists will try to protect these fat cats, but this is so so so so sad. This makes me so angry. Fuck them, i say we get everyone we know to boycot em. Bastards.

[Capitalist Imperial]

so the stockholders of Nestle are responsible for ethiopian humanitarian issues? they should just give up their investment?

the government of ethopia is responsible, and no one else

sad, but true

don't make corporations a scapegoat for a problem rooted in the agriculture and population of a given nation

[James]

Previous govenrment.

By your standards we should invade and destroy America, because a previous government used a weapon of mass destruction, with debated justification.



INSTEAD of creating an even worse country, we should try to improve it. Now Eth will go into serious debt, never be able to pay it back - and will NEVER develop.

[Anonymous]

that is nothing, you should see what nestle and other companys are doing in south america, check also cofee plantations and you will see slavery still existes nowdays... but now, its wage-slavery...

[oconner]

wheter we blame the government or the corperations, people will starve as a result of this. We need to find a way to resolve the difficulties and then concentrate on blaming people.

[James]

Nestle is NOT helping

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 6:16 pm on Dec. 19, 2002
Previous govenrment.

By your standards we should invade and destroy America, because a previous government used a weapon of mass destruction, with debated justification.




I don't understand this quote or the comparison, james, could you expand on this so I understand what you mean?

[James]

it was basically refering to past and present. And which one you prefer to live in.

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 5:11 pm on Dec. 19, 2002
so the stockholders of Nestle are responsible for ethiopian humanitarian issues? they should just give up their investment?

the government of ethopia is responsible, and no one else

sad, but true

don't make corporations a scapegoat for a problem rooted in the agriculture and population of a given nation



Big companies such as Nestle are actually the historical responsibles of most of the beginning and continuing of the desperate situation of countries like Ethiopia.
Those companies -which unfortunately are the majority- pay a miserable salary to those who work the land and get back, through a lot of intermediates, an astonishing -and shameful- amount of profits. It´s not fair trade, in other words.

This kind of commercial thieving makes most "Third World" countries hold an impossible external debt, which, for the reasons stated above, shouldn´t be paid EVER.

Besides, even if Nestle was right, just knowing the famine Ethiopia is suffering should hold it back from asking any money at all. At the contrary, it should be a HUMAN (not humanitarian) enough company as to make firsts steps towards the aid of the population.

Some of those fat pigs that are responsible of the cruel politics of companies like Nestle should some day go through the same sufferings people are standing today in Ethiopia.


HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[antieverything]

Human life has no value, what's good for the bottom line is good for us all.

To believe the second statement, you have to accept the first. Fuck the "bottom line". My bottom line is what is best for humanity and obviously the bottom line here is hurting everyone but the priviledged few.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I guess you leftists just don't get this concept.

Ethiopias starvation has nothing to do with nestle or capitalism. It has to do with famine, overpopulation, and lack of agriculture

of course, I guess it makes total sense, as commies and other leftists have no concept of personal responsibility

All you are doing is finding a scapegoat in capitalism to fit your anti-capitalist agenda. It is obvious,and pathetic.

Besides, by this logic regarding nestle, you are suggesting that the ethiopian government can enter into business deals with any given company, yield benefit from the transaction, buyt then should not have to be responsible for their end of any deal because their people are starving.

News flash, ethiopia: If you are already in economic ruin,don't enter into any more business deals

[SentinelofDestiny]

Ok, so maybe Nestle can't control the rain.

But they can control whether they take money they don't need or not. I mean, this is just kicking a country when it's down! Why do they need to? I mean, if they were going broke, then I could understand, but they clearly aren't.
Did they sell their compassion?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from SentinelofDestiny on 12:45 am on Dec. 20, 2002
Ok, so maybe Nestle can't control the rain.

But they can control whether they take money they don't need or not. I mean, this is just kicking a country when it's down! Why do they need to? I mean, if they were going broke, then I could understand, but they clearly aren't.
Did they sell their compassion?

again, you blame nestle for wanting its just compensation, instead of the ethiopian government for defaulting!

incredible!

[SentinelofDestiny]

Nope, it's perfectly fair to claim compensation. But perhaps this is not the best time to claim compensation?
What if you got sacked, your house burned down and all your money was taken away, excpet what you managed to keep in your pockets. Then every single one of your friends calls in their loans. Hmm, not a very good analogy, but maybe you get the picture.
But then, what do I know? I'm just a humble Death Metal Fan. Probably I have no brain cells left from headbanging.

[new democracy]

So it alright for nestle to ask for their six million while millions are going to die? do they really need that six million? they are not broke, so why does that six million(which for nestle is pretty puny)are so important, especially when the country is about to face a famine?

[SentinelofDestiny]

precisly the Point New Democracy. Whats Mr. Imperials answer to that?

[Capitalist Imperial]

your analogy is a good one, but a closer comparison would be that after your house has already burned down, you go into a new business transaction, and yield benefit, knowing that you probalbly can't pay it back

ND, who are you to determine what nestle "needs"? If ethiopia can go without paying because of famine that already existed before the transaction, then who is to say that any nation with any debt or problems should not have to pay their debts?

[SentinelofDestiny]

But do they need to demand it now? It's like they were waiting...
Anyway, it's slightly pointless even debating it, as nothing we say will change it. We're just internet nerds, our opinions don't matter, no matter how much we shout about them.
The best plan would be to stop buying Nestle stuff, buy Fairtrade stuff and give some money to charity.
I agree to disagree. lol, but there we go. Not a very good revolutionary am I?!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from SentinelofDestiny on 2:00 am on Dec. 20, 2002
But do they need to demand it now? It's like they were waiting...
Anyway, it's slightly pointless even debating it, as nothing we say will change it. We're just internet nerds, our opinions don't matter, no matter how much we shout about them.
The best plan would be to stop buying Nestle stuff, buy Fairtrade stuff and give some money to charity.
I agree to disagree. lol, but there we go. Not a very good revolutionary am I?!

LOL, you are a good revolutionary (I prefer the term "insurget" or "dissident", LOL)

[SentinelofDestiny]

hehehe, I'm a dissident alright... I have spiky hair and wear baggy jeans... and you know the other day... I shouted at a policeman! hehehe!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Why don't u care that Africans are dying of hunger(and u captalist pig of fattnes), not one excuse is good enough for letting a whole continent starve to death. Fuckin Nazi. Nestle Cafee is taking away the money to feed one million people one month. Fuck the stockholders. Why is it fair to you that while you are dying in luxe, billions of others are dying of hunger and lack basic needs. Is it the fault of the Ethiopier that he is born at Ethiopian soil and not American soil. What gives u the fuckin right to watch while people die of hunger. IS it the fault of the Ethiopian people that their government failed in the captalist game.

[James]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/0,1...,863509,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/famine/story/0,12128,863509,00.html)

"By late afternoon yesterday, 8,500 people had emailed the company to complain about its treatment of the Ethiopian government, the fastest response Oxfam says it has had to a campaign."

I was one of these. Were you?


(Edited by James at 5:47 pm on Dec. 20, 2002)

[James]

"However, Nestle was still insisting yesterday that it would benefit Addis Ababa to pay compensation for a company nationalised by a previous military government 27 years ago. The firm's German owners were bought by Nestle in 1986."

So, the country is paying the price for what a previous government did 27 years ago? Don't be a silly tosser CI.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

I wanna sent mail. How??:smile:

[James]

i just went to the captialist's website. And "contacted"them

[new democracy]

This is not the first time nestle do whatever they can for profits. once they told mothers in mali that milk powder is better than breast milk(an obvious lie). and many mothers bought the powder, and the result was tragic. they did it because they had loads of milk powder, which they're freshness was doubtable.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Bastards!!:shocked::angry:

Makes me wanna burn their office down. Feeling a little better by the thought.:smile:

(Edited by CCCP at 8:40 pm on Dec. 20, 2002)

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from SentinelofDestiny on 1:00 am on Dec. 20, 2002
But do they need to demand it now? It's like they were waiting...
Anyway, it's slightly pointless even debating it, as nothing we say will change it. We're just internet nerds, our opinions don't matter, no matter how much we shout about them.
The best plan would be to stop buying Nestle stuff, buy Fairtrade stuff and give some money to charity.
I agree to disagree. lol, but there we go. Not a very good revolutionary am I?!



Not only we are not just internet nerds. We are much more than that. We are the ones, every single one, that make spread justice consciousness.

And yes, we MUST avoid buying Nestle stuff and, instead, buy Fairtrade ones (for instance).

It´s kind of cynical symbols as Nestle´s: a mother bird with its newborns in their nest... Looks so warm, so beautiful, so "human", and the fucking big company doesn´t care a shit for starving people. If it was myself, I would certainly give all those fucking profits to those who really need it, to those who have born under such unjust historical backgrounds, and, AT LEAST, I would try to change those coward and selfish economical politics that make those kinds of big companies as shameful as they actually are.


HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[Capitalist Imperial]

I just enjoyed a Nestle's crunch bar, and now I am settling down with a hot cup of "Nescafe" as I read the Wall Street Journal.

Of course, I actually paid Nestle.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Good for you. Really glad.

But what would u think if you were a south american farmer, still enjoying ur NC wich has been made with blood.

Maybe they can change their name to server"freedom and democracy" into BloodCafe.

[James]

well done CI, did you do it all on your own as well? with no one to help you?!?!

Who's a big boy!

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from James on 8:53 pm on Dec. 20, 2002
well done CI, did you do it all on your own as well? with no one to help you?!?!

Who's a big boy!

LOL, shut up, dude

[James]

well what did you expect "dude" ?

Oh, and i'll leave you to think about a quote..."but, in reality, what does that matter? it is a moot point, a lot can change in 20-30 years"
Check when this government nationalised the industry.

[Capitalist Imperial]

when what government nationalized what industry?

elaborate

[Goldfinger]

The money is compensation for an Ethiopian business which the previous military government nationalised in 1975. It could feed a million people for a month, according to Oxfam.

[Moskitto]

hang on, this company wasn't even owned by nestle at the time it was nationalised, and nestle knew the company had been nationalised, so urm, why?

if some US train company bought silverlink would they demand compensation off the british government?

[James]

Thanks AW

[Panamarisen]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 7:49 pm on Dec. 20, 2002
I just enjoyed a Nestle's crunch bar, and now I am settling down with a hot cup of "Nescafe" as I read the Wall Street Journal.

Of course, I actually paid Nestle.



Your "provoking" methods are just pathetic, Capitalist Imperial...! Try and post reasonable arguments, if you are able to.

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE!

[antieverything]

CI, if you had actually bothered to read the article you would have realized that there is absolutely no question about the immorality of Nestle's actions.

The only thing that you can say is that since it involves your god, the market, it must have happened for a good reason and musn't be questioned...did I just say "musn't"? Cool.

[James]

well as much as i love CI and SM, they are just here to piss people off. Or, it seems so...

[James]

take for example, their names.

SM
CI

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Why don't you 2 care that people are dying, so you can life in luxery.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from CCCP on 12:10 am on Dec. 21, 2002
Why don't you 2 care that people are dying, so you can life in luxery.

life is a game of strong and weak, survival of the fittest

mankind will never change billions of years of evolution

[SentinelofDestiny]

I hate the idea of evolution. For one thing, I reckon humans have pretty much stopped evoving, now that we have tools and all.
And by saying 'survival of the fittest' your just calling yourself an animal. Humans are meant to be so much more. Well, that is my belief anyway (says the boy who is vegetating in front of a computer screen, lol).

Survival of the fittest eh? Maybe I should just kill and eat my brother, becuase i'm bigger, and i'm hungry. Hey look, theres a fit girl on the street, how about I go rape her? I'm bigger and stronger, why not?

Oh yeah, I forgot, capitalists do this on a global scale already.

[James]

so you don't care about sep 11th?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

life is a game of strong and weak, survival of the fittest

mankind will never change billions of years of evolution



Like James said don't u care about 11/9, WW2 and the killing of millions of Slavics, Jews and the fallen soldiers. Were they all weak? Tell me, are u walkin in Berlin shouting some perticulair lines?

And your President is a weak "intellectual", just like u.

If there is a really weak thing, than it's letting ur fellow humans die because you are too chickened to do anything because of your own lost of materialism or life.

[Stormin Norman]

Once again, you illiberals are right. Military dictators always have the right to steel large industries, run them into the ground, starve its people, and refuse payment to the very companies whose capital they have destroyed.

It never ceases to amaze me how you have such a large problem with a president like George Bush, but never faulter in your defense of such tyrants as these men who stole the property of the Nestle corporation or men like Saddam Hussien.

Suicidal! Suicidal! Suicidal! ST! ST! ST!

[Comrade Daniel]

The big companies make use of the 3th world because they can profit of it which is bad.

Take MacDonalds I found a whole story about it why it's wrong and like MacDonalds all of these companies act like clean, good campanies but only try to ask much money for the nasty food they give (I don't eat the bio-meat any way cuz I'm a vegetarian).

(I took MacDonalds as an example, because it's a big problem nobady realizes in my country, Holland)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Comrade Daniel on 5:22 pm on Dec. 21, 2002
The big companies make use of the 3th world because they can profit of it which is bad.

Take MacDonalds I found a whole story about it why it's wrong and like MacDonalds all of these companies act like clean, good campanies but only try to ask much money for the nasty food they give (I don't eat the bio-meat any way cuz I'm a vegetarian).

(I took MacDonalds as an example, because it's a big problem nobady realizes in my country, Holland)

Mcdonalds contributes millions to hollands economy and the economy of many other nations.

I love how leftists paint Mcdonalds like its the 7th pinnacle of evil.

Its a burger joint, people.

[Umoja]

I really fail to see how Ethiopia could recover from anything when the entire European world has been jealous of it since the Greeks. Left and right they have been bombarded by the jealous forces of White Power who would only want to see them destroyed.

So, now people justify this by calling them weak? Since you don't want to die, to only way to stay alive is killing other people? That's bullshit, no one earned living in the US, it was given, so it's bullshit to hold it over peoples heads. Extreme love of one's state is facism, and in a fascist economy aren't their government friendly buisnesses and government owned businesses..... scary shit.

[James]

Its a burger joint, people.

Do you like it?

[Stormin Norman]

Personally, I think McDonalds sucks. I have got to tell you that they have not inspired me to think that hiring the handicapped is a noble act. They constantly fuck up my order, they have served me cold food, they have made me wait for tens of minutes in the drive through, and they have decreased their portions.

It is no surprise to me that they have suffered a loss in profits, the first in 47 years, this quarter. I have long said that their gross incompetence and lack of attention to customer service would hurt them. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them. Hopefully a far better burger joint displaces them from the market permanently.

Of course not all McDonalds are run by a bunch of incompetent boobs. However, by selling the franchise with anyone who has the necessary capita they have opened the door to any idiot. This practice allows for dipshits to hurt the name of the corporation. The short term profits of opening a thousand new McDonalds must be tempting, but at the expense of the long term survival of corporation. The poor service that many people have gotten at bad establishments pisses customers off to the extent that they wish never to return. Perhaps they should have been more discriminatory in who they allowed to carry the name, by consentrating on quality and excellence. In my opinion they are damaged goods and I would reinvest before we witness the fall of yet another economic juggernaut.

I do have to give them credit for the pull manufacturing system of food preparation they have devised. When I go to a well run McDonalds with competent management on staff, the output time for customer orders is truly marvelous. Like I mentioned before, these restraunts do not operate with any consistency and you can never count on that sort of expediency. Some days they may ask you to pull over and park so they can bring your order out later.

I have yet to find a fastfood restraunt that lives up to my expectations. Arby's sucks, Taco Bell is gross, I don't like the taste of Wendy's, and Burger King thinks its quality is so great they have the go ahead to charge what I would pay at a real restraunt. I tend to favor local shops that offer better quality and service with a smile. I become a regular customer at places that fill my expectations of quality and competence of service. It's too bad that these principles do not carry over to the large corporate chains. I fear it will hurt them in the end. At least it should.

[truthaddict11]

Quote: from new democracy on 2:34 pm on Dec. 20, 2002
This is not the first time nestle do whatever they can for profits. once they told mothers in mali that milk powder is better than breast milk(an obvious lie). and many mothers bought the powder, and the result was tragic. they did it because they had loads of milk powder, which they're freshness was doubtable.


plus the water used with the powdered milk

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 11:47 am on Dec. 22, 2002
Personally, I think McDonalds sucks. I have got to tell you that they have not inspired me to think that hiring the handicapped is a noble act. They constantly fuck up my order, they have served me cold food, they have made me wait for tens of minutes in the drive through, and they have decreased their portions.

It is no surprise to me that they have suffered a loss in profits, the first in 47 years, this quarter. I have long said that their gross incompetence and lack of attention to customer service would hurt them. Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for them. Hopefully a far better burger joint displaces them from the market permanently.

Of course not all McDonalds are run by a bunch of incompetent boobs. However, by selling the franchise with anyone who has the necessary capita they have opened the door to any idiot. This practice allows for dipshits to hurt the name of the corporation. The short term profits of opening a thousand new McDonalds must be tempting, but at the expense of the long term survival of corporation. The poor service that many people have gotten at bad establishments pisses customers off to the extent that they wish never to return. Perhaps they should have been more discriminatory in who they allowed to carry the name, by consentrating on quality and excellence. In my opinion they are damaged goods and I would reinvest before we witness the fall of yet another economic juggernaut.

I do have to give them credit for the pull manufacturing system of food preparation they have devised. When I go to a well run McDonalds with competent management on staff, the output time for customer orders is truly marvelous. Like I mentioned before, these restraunts do not operate with any consistency and you can never count on that sort of expediency. Some days they may ask you to pull over and park so they can bring your order out later.

I have yet to find a fastfood restraunt that lives up to my expectations. Arby's sucks, Taco Bell is gross, I don't like the taste of Wendy's, and Burger King thinks its quality is so great they have the go ahead to charge what I would pay at a real restraunt. I tend to favor local shops that offer better quality and service with a smile. I become a regular customer at places that fill my expectations of quality and competence of service. It's too bad that these principles do not carry over to the large corporate chains. I fear it will hurt them in the end. At least it should.


Wow what a sad story. I really feel compasion for you. Do you realize that some children in Africa don't even have a McDonalds or a BurgerKing. I now start to see the captalist light and the socialist light starts to disapear. Thanks Stormin Moron for your explanation. I now realized that the people who truly suffer in the world are the customers of McDonalds. I salute you. God bless America.

[Stormin Norman]

Hey dumbfuck! Where did I say that I suffered as a result of McDonalds? I was simply pointing to some of the bad business decisions they make and the reasons I prefer to dine elsewhere. Are you so retarded that you can not recognize a post that has absolutely nothing to do with the poor oppressed people in Africa. Give me a break! This is why the left remains uninteresting to me. They have one track minds, and can not shift their focus away from illiberal thought for two minutes. Nice try.

[antieverything]

Personally I've suffered because of McDonalds.

I still break into a cold sweat when I wake up from flashbacks of the visits to countless McDonalds after countless basketball games.

[Comrade Daniel]

MacDonalds crashes our econemy it makes people fat, MacDonalds only wanna earn money they don't don't help us. They fuck us, the large amount of meat they 'produce' in the bio-industry affacts the hothouse affect. I won't eat anything by MacDonalds, MacDanalds is EVIL.

[guerrillaradio]

"We're sorry, but due to essential site maintenance work this section is currently unavailable."

From the "email" section of http://www.nestle.co.uk

I don't expect CI et al to understand the immorality of this situation. Capitalism has no link with humanitarianism whatsoever. They do not understand the concept of looking after a fellow human. All that matters is the protection of money. Fucking disgusting.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 1:40 am on Dec. 23, 2002
Hey dumbfuck! Where did I say that I suffered as a result of McDonalds? I was simply pointing to some of the bad business decisions they make and the reasons I prefer to dine elsewhere. Are you so retarded that you can not recognize a post that has absolutely nothing to do with the poor oppressed people in Africa. Give me a break! This is why the left remains uninteresting to me. They have one track minds, and can not shift their focus away from illiberal thought for two minutes. Nice try.


Yup those badpoints. I still have nightmares of it. Flashbacks while I am at school. Then I start to roll over the floor and roll with my eyes. Damn that McDonalds!!

Think of the Africans who still suffer from bad McDonalds service.One minute silence please

[Moskitto]

i don't eat at mcdonalds,
but that's more because when i very young i didn't eat burgers because i live in a country where the government decided to feed BSE cattle to each other and take every last piece of meat out of them so burgers were basically minced spinal column which wasn't the safest thing to eat,

[Moskitto]

yeah, that's the stupid thing about BSE,
diseises that they know humans can't get, they kill the whole herd,
diseises that have been linked to human diseises, they just do a cover-up,

[Socialist Pig]

I consider eating at McDonalds as bad as smoking. Its a long, painful suicide.

(Edited by Socialist Pig at 9:51 pm on Dec. 23, 2002)

[Comrade Daniel]

Mac Donalds, is as bad as smoking, indeed!!!!!!
Mac Donalds food makes you fat and destroyes your body.
Please for information about Mac Donalds go to:
http://www.publicsphere.net/philosophy/ess...ys/antimacs.htm (http://www.publicsphere.net/philosophy/essays/antimacs.htm)

[Anonymous]

I like some of MacDonalds' food.

[Comrade Daniel]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 10:22 pm on Dec. 23, 2002
I like some of MacDonalds' food.

Why don''t u just eat out of a dustbin? Trash taste better!!!

[Comrade Daniel]

Nobody replies anymore :(

[Moskitto]

if i do ever eat at mcdonalds (which is only when i'm with friends who don't want to eat anything else) i make a point of only eating chicken,

sadly, my favourite place to eat has a large stake of it owned by mcdonalds, but it's far higher quality than mcdonalds,

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Quote: from Comrade Daniel on 10:14 pm on Dec. 23, 2002
Mac Donalds, is as bad as smoking, indeed!!!!!!
Mac Donalds food makes you fat and destroyes your body.
Please for information about Mac Donalds go to:
http://www.publicsphere.net/philosophy/ess...ys/antimacs.htm (http://www.publicsphere.net/philosophy/essays/antimacs.htm)


Das besser.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Dark Capitalist on 5:22 pm on Dec. 23, 2002
I like some of MacDonalds' food.
That's an excellent way to kill yourself. I hope you exercise after you eat that shit!

I can make a much better burger than theirs. If you'd become friends with socialists, you could eat much better!

Lindsay

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Excellent way to "help" captalists to get to "God".

[Stormin Norman]

I sent my remarks to McDonald's Corporate Office. If they have any intelligence they will start the next board meeting by reading it out loud and then lambasting upper management for new ideas. They are feeling a little too comfortable in their cushy chairs if you ask me. Perhaps if they ate at a McDonalds once in awhile they would be more in touch with the consumer. I would be willing to bet that most of those big-wigs wouldn't dare put that shit in their mouths. My friends, that too is part of the problem with McDonalds. If the people who manage the corporation won't eat it why should they expect us too.