War with Iraq qill cost 2 trillion - Bush will fuck up the e

[Lardlad95]

WASHINGTON (Dec. 6) - In the worst case, a war with Iraq could cost the United States almost as much as the government spent in the last budget year - nearly $2 trillion, according to new projections.

Researchers concluded in a study released Thursday that war with Iraq could cost the United States from $99 billion to more than $1.9 trillion over a decade.

The lower figure assumes a successful military, diplomatic and nation-building campaign; the higher figure assumes a prolonged war with a disruption of oil markets and a U.S. recession, the authors say in a study by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.

Both figures assume a U.S. involvement in the country for 10 years.

White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said it was premature to comment on cost estimates.

``War is the last resort,'' he said. ``We're hoping for a peaceful solution.''

The 1991 Persian Gulf War cost America an estimated $61 billion, but allies reimbursed all but about $7 billion. By some accounting methods, the United States may have even made a profit.

Direct military spending could range from $50 billion in a short campaign to $140 billion in a prolonged war with Iraq, said the study titled, ``War With Iraq: Costs, Consequences and Alternatives.'' The study was done by the academy's Committee on International Security Studies.

The report cautioned that aside from the estimates of direct military costs, all the numbers should be ``regarded as informed conjecture.''

Occupation and peacekeeping costs could be $75 billion in the best case to $500 billion in the worst, the study said. Reconstruction and nation-building costs are estimated at $30 billion to $105 billion, and humanitarian aid at $1 billion to $10 billion.

Economic ripples of war with Iraq are likely to spread beyond budgetary costs, with the prospect of raising the cost of imported oil, slowing productivity growth and possibly triggering a recession, the report said.

A prolonged disruption of world oil markets could cost the U.S. economy up to $778 billion, the researchers estimated. On the other hand, Iraq's huge oil resources could satisfy U.S. needs for imported oil at current levels for almost a century and otherwise benefit the economy by $40 billion.

A short war could actually benefit the United States in terms of its macroeconomic impact, which includes employment, by $17 billion. A long war, in contrast, could have a $391 billion negative effect.

The American Academy of Arts and Sciences, founded in 1780 and based in Cambridge, Mass., is an international society of scientists, scholars, artists, business people and political leaders.

12/06/02 03:02 EST



*Note: I posted this in two other forums but I posted it here for any cappies who support the war

[antieverything]

Uh...no problem, we just need to cut taxes some more and everything will be just fine!

[Umoja]

A Kenyan Newspaper read that their country could use the money we use against Iraq for 150 Years.

[theewokchief]

``War is the last resort,'' he said. ``We're hoping for a peaceful solution.''

anyone else smell a little bullshit?

[Corvus Corax]

*raised hand*

[Stormin Norman]

"the authors say in a study by the American Academy of Arts and Sciences."

Hahahaha!

I would trust the GAO, but not the AAAS. Are they privy to the Pentagon's budget, or the costs of the resources at that departments disposal? Somebody show me how the AAAS arrived at this number. At this point it seems light an arbitrary guess put out to discourage the American people.

[chris2]

I dont give a fuck as long as you american shits just fuck off and stop ruining the res of the world for every one else.

I mean you take up about 5% of the worlds land mass at most (only an estimate) but you create 20% of the worlds pollution. You cheat others out of thier money like the bunch of cappie bastards that you are. You condone war but youve been in more than any one else in the last 100-150 years. You condem imperialism but you now have a huge commesial "empire". You elect a trigger happy cretin into office, who will destroy us all unless your political system of congress & senete swing into action. You profess freedom but encourage child labour/slavery in indonesia, all because it saves you money. You interfere in the wars of other nations because you perefer one sides system of gov. You preach against international terrorism. But who places more bombs, assasinates more people, secretely has more weapons than any other nation? Hmm let me guess...America!!! You try and stop the use of Nukes but who has the most? Ammerica!!! Who is the only nation who has dropped any? America!!! and what for ohh yes you had to see if it works effectivley. I mean you would have beeten the japs any way, so why.

You swear by almighty god, but forget Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not KILL! Ohh yes and you seem to think its your devine right to inflict friendly fire on your own troops and allies. Hahaha Theres the canadians/British lets drop some napalm on them. You condem violance, bu hollywood makes more action movies such as Die Hard than any other nation.

BUT above all these things that i hate about americans is you are so god dammed arrogant. You only care for your own nation, you recon every nation should do what you say. You would do that if you werent the biggest military bully on the block. Oh and just to tell you, the only worth while thing to come out of america thats worth while and good (except your music which is good) is the internet!

[SentinelofDestiny]

Chris2, you just said what I had in my mind the whole of last week. AH! I just think of this stuff, and it makes me mad.
I mean, destroying Sudan's only medicine factory, because it might have been making nerve gas.... hmmm. Not clever. And then they send in scientists, who fail to find any nerve gas. And the next year 40,000 sudanese die of Malaria, because they can't afford imported medicine.
Oh well, I suppose no Americans died so it was not so bad really.

[canikickit]

Let's not generalise, you can't declare that 280 milllion eople are in support of one governments foreign policy. There are a lot of citizens of the United States here who do not advocate the bullshit the US government perpetrates on the rest of the world.

[Socialist Pig]

Quote: from SentinelofDestiny on 1:07 am on Dec. 18, 2002
Chris2, you just said what I had in my mind the whole of last week. AH! I just think of this stuff, and it makes me mad.
I mean, destroying Sudan's only medicine factory, because it might have been making nerve gas.... hmmm. Not clever. And then they send in scientists, who fail to find any nerve gas. And the next year 40,000 sudanese die of Malaria, because they can't afford imported medicine.
Oh well, I suppose no Americans died so it was not so bad really.

The sudanese government then released two high ranking members of the terrorist group linked to the 911 bombing because of the destruction of the chemical plant.

/me kisses his copy of Chomskys "911"

(Edited by Socialist Pig at 7:54 am on Dec. 18, 2002)

[Aleksander Nordby]

He will have much oil if he take Saddam from the power so he will of course use million of dollars to make the war a sucsess, fucking dork.

[Stormin Norman]

Excellent analysis! Thank you for clearing that up for me.

Money*war = oil = money^2 = arbitrary # (created by AAAS) = 2 trillion $'s.

I understand the the math involved now. Thanks. Your intellect has proven to be most useful, Aleksander. You have answered my question with great skill.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 12:23 am on Dec. 19, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

"im a marxist-lenist............" - Aleksander Nordby

That's all I needed to know in order to write you off as a bumbling idiot.

[Aleksander Nordby]

If i dont were a communist and dont care about politic i would write it anyway understand.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 11:22 am on Dec. 18, 2002
"im a marxist-lenist............" - Aleksander Nordby

That's all I needed to know in order to write you off as a bumbling idiot.




I hate your politics Sn but that was fuckin hilarious

[Stormin Norman]

That and the fact that he doesn't speak in complete sentences. I hope English is a second language for this guy.

[Aleksander Nordby]

My english is dont so good, but how many langues can you write and speak then yuo idiot

[Aleksander Nordby]

My english is dont so good, but how many langues can you write and speak then you idiot.

[Stormin Norman]

I speak chemistry, mathematics, physics, and the universal language of love. No seriously, I don't know any foreign languages. But I would like to learn Latin and Greek. These root languages would then provide me with the foundation necessary to master many other languages.

[Aleksander Nordby]

Skjønner du detta din jævla fitte. Thats my langues, im from kingdom Norway.

[Stormin Norman]

Then accept my apology for making fun of your language skills, as it's understandable that you don't speak English fluently. Can you see the Northern lights at that latitude? What is the latitude there, about 58 deg?


(Edited by Stormin Norman at 12:52 am on Dec. 19, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

And why do you call it Kingdom Norway?

[Aleksander Nordby]

We have a king.

[Stormin Norman]

How much power does he have? Is he simply a figure-head?

[Aleksander Nordby]

He has no power, so i dont understand wy we have a king.

[Aleksander Nordby]

SN you live in capitalist USA is it rigth.

[SentinelofDestiny]

sort of poetic justice then Socialist pig? Very harsh justice, but sort of poetic all the same.

[Sol]

The official name is the something or other Kingdom of Norway.

(Edited by Sol at 6:34 am on Dec. 20, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

I believe Norway is referred to as a 'bicycle monarchy'.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Isn't called parlemental monarchy. We have the same thing in Hollland. Those Pigs at the crown receive each year hunderds of millions just because they are born. While others work their whole life without ever have dinnered properly.

[Stormin Norman]

In contrast to Saudi Arabia or Great Britain's monarchies which have more luster, Scandanavian monarchs tend to be more down to earth. They identify more readily with the common man and live more humble existences. In fact, King Olav V of Norway used public transportation during the 70's oil shortage, hence the terminology 'bicycle monarchy'.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Still the lil bastards receive millions of dollars just for excisting.

[pastradamus]

Nobody should recieve money & like long fame/wealth,for the simple fact that he/she was born,or the position above everybody in their country.

FUCK MONARCHISM!

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Well spoken. Just as I said.

[Comrade Daniel]

Why are there monarchs (good spelling ?) As far as I see we haven't got anything on them because, what do they do. I don't know. They are just sitting an their lazy ass waiting for our taxes!!!!!!

[Stormin Norman]

It is no secret that Americans have had issues with monarchs in the past. Nothing has changed this patriots mind that monarchies are evil.

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

ow, so alone ruling, tax eating that's ur statement of evil. Guess what Dubya is doing?

[Stormin Norman]

Do you mind clarifying what it is you are trying to say? I apologize I guess I don't speak your language either CCCP.

[RGacky3]

LONG LIVE NORGE, FIIIIIISH

[Capitalist Imperial]

screw all monarchs!!

CCCP bush does not rule alone. Are you familiar with americas system? It is full of checks and balances. He also does not "eat taxes". As a matter of fact, about 2 years ago he put about 300-600 dollars back into each american's hand. He actually issued checks!

What more do you want?

[Umoja]

Monarchies are kept because they represent something of the nations past culture, which is why I still greatly respect Haile Salassie, even though I oppose monarchy.

Japan is a monarchy as well?