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[Capitalist Imperial]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,71539,00.html

America reaffirms its self-defense initiatives with this test, another step in further protecting American sovereignty.

This means that the US can more easily extend its gracious and benevolent sphere of influence across the world with reduced risks of attacks by rouge states that wish to harm freedom and liberty.

[Umoja]

Or we could just be nicer to everyone, and not have to spend so much on defense.

[Goldfinger]

That's not the american way. Will you ever learn?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Umoja on 7:32 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
Or we could just be nicer to everyone, and not have to spend so much on defense.


LOL,yeah, "be nicer" to everyone. That will work. What world do you live in?

[Anonymous]

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"...to secure peace is to prepare for war." Ronald Reagan

We must forever be vigilant, for that is the price of freedom. Can't you understand that?

[Marxist ally]

Hmmmm, i wonder who would launch a nuke at america. Do you seriosly belive anyone is stupid enough?

Look guys by putting all yer apparent surplus cash into mindless and useless "defence" gizmos your just showing the world that you dont care about disarmament. The world becomes more anti-yank and more people join freedom fighter groups.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Americans should stop at once. Building more defense just spreads the violence and causes more people to feel threatened and therefore hate the US.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 8:44 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
Americans should stop at once. Building more defense just spreads the violence and causes more people to feel threatened and therefore hate the US.

so,people now hate us for building a defensive weapon? a weapon not intended to harm anyone and merely save lives? why?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Marxist ally on 8:37 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
Hmmmm, i wonder who would launch a nuke at america. Do you seriosly belive anyone is stupid enough?

Look guys by putting all yer apparent surplus cash into mindless and useless "defence" gizmos your just showing the world that you dont care about disarmament. The world becomes more anti-yank and more people join freedom fighter groups.


uhhh, al queda? possibly iraq? any fundamentalist anti-american group would love to nuke the US if given a chance (I know that iraq is not fundamentalist per se, but they are possible nuclear aggressors all the same)

[Frosty]

So let's say this shit shoots down a nuke, and it falls down in, let's say, Spain?

Anyway "dirty bombs" is what you yanks should worry more about.
I seriously doubt you ever need this system unless the whole world wants your ass. Why do you think the soviet union did not fire their artillery? Mutual destruction. 'Naff said.

[Marxist ally]

CI those groups wouldnt be stupid enogh to do that and most of them counldnt get hold of anything near an icbm so u dont need the defence system. Iraq wouldnt nuke america because america would throw it straight back at them.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Frosty on 8:58 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
So let's say this shit shoots down a nuke, and it falls down in, let's say, Spain?

if a nuke is destroyed in the air, it will not detonate on impact, it will just fall to the earth or sea

it doesn't work like a regular free-falling bomb, many mechanisms must initialize in a sequence for the warhead to detonate

a US anti missle missle will most likely destroy these mechanisms

besides, targeting computers can maximize the chance of debris falling in the ocean
Anyway "dirty bombs" is what you yanks should worry more about.
I seriously doubt you ever need this system unless the whole world wants your ass. Why do you think the soviet union did not fire their artillery? Mutual destruction. 'Naff said.

[Xvall]

Yeah! A missle defense system! That'll stop them from using their weapons of mass destruction like 'dirty bombs' and box cutters!

[Guest]

lols CI is playin "simon says" only its called "bush says"
bush says we be good
bush says they be bad
bush says bad wants to kill good like in da movies and they be bad because they're really bad because we're good and because i say so too, so dont worry about it and go back to sleep

were u born with a brain?

[Jaha]

if the U$ is so good, then why the hell do we have so many enemies in the first place?

no one just becomes an enemy. do you realize how difficult it is to stand up against the most powerful nation in the world??

the U$ is no holy angel, we show often the face of the most unholy of beasts.

a missile defense is designed to protect us from what we deserve.

[Tkinter1]

Over the ocean most likely. The missles can't go that far. And a nuclear warhead isn't like gunpowder. If it hits the ocean without its fuse starting the reaction, it could be safely removed

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Marxist ally on 9:14 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
CI those groups wouldnt be stupid enogh to do that and most of them counldnt get hold of anything near an icbm so u dont need the defence system. Iraq wouldnt nuke america because america would throw it straight back at them.


one of the biggest mistakes one can make is underestimationg you enemies.

after the fall of the soviet union, hundreds of nukes are unaccounted for.

who has them?

besides, fear of reprisal is no longer the deterrent it once was in times such as the cold war. some of americas new enemies are all to willing to die and even sacrifice their on countrymen for their cause. this negates fear of death as a deterrent

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Guest on 9:17 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
lols CI is playin "simon says" only its called "bush says"
bush says we be good
bush says they be bad
bush says bad wants to kill good like in da movies and they be bad because they're really bad because we're good and because i say so too, so dont worry about it and go back to sleep

were u born with a brain?


LOL, before you question the intelligence of others, why don't you:

1)stop hiding behind "guest" and register

2)come up with an original thought of your own.

accusing others of being "lemmings" is one of the emptiest arguements one can make, and is indicative of a lack of any real anlytical ability

any 5 year old can apply the "you are just a blind follower" to anyone who doesn't agree with your stance (or anyone who does, for that matter) it is self evident that you have no real argument to submit

do you understand this concept, or shall I go slower for you?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Jaha on 9:42 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
if the U$ is so good, then why the hell do we have so many enemies in the first place?

no one just becomes an enemy. do you realize how difficult it is to stand up against the most powerful nation in the world??

the U$ is no holy angel, we show often the face of the most unholy of beasts.

a missile defense is designed to protect us from what we deserve.


LOL, OK, Jaha, so we shouldn't build missle defense because "we deserve" to get attacked.

I am glad to know that you have determined for the rest of us what we deserve.

who gives more $$$ in relief aid, debt relief, and humanitarian aid than anyone? the USA

who is the only nation to send $$$ and humanitarian aid (red cross,peace corps, etc) in the event of a natural disaster anywhere in the world? The USA

What nation has contributed to the advancement of mankind more than any other nation in the 20th century in both economic term and technological advancement? The USA

Who decoded the human genome, laying the groundwork for curing countless diseases, including cancer, at the genetic level? the USA

who invented the PC you are on and the internet you are communicating through? The USA

What nation cured polio? The USA

What nation is recognized across the globe as the determining factor in defeatimng fascism and imperialism in WWII? The USA

While you look at all of our faults, Jaha, also acknowledge our cointributions.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Jaha on 9:42 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
if the U$ is so good, then why the hell do we have so many enemies in the first place?

no one just becomes an enemy. do you realize how difficult it is to stand up against the most powerful nation in the world??

the U$ is no holy angel, we show often the face of the most unholy of beasts.

a missile defense is designed to protect us from what we deserve.


LOL, OK, Jaha, so we shouldn't build missle defense because "we deserve" to get attacked.

I am glad to know that you have determined for the rest of us what we deserve.

who gives more $$$ in relief aid, debt relief, and humanitarian aid than anyone? the USA

who is the only nation to send $$$ and humanitarian aid (red cross,peace corps, etc) in the event of a natural disaster anywhere in the world? The USA

What nation has contributed to the advancement of mankind more than any other nation in the 20th century in both economic term and technological advancement? The USA

Who decoded the human genome, laying the groundwork for curing countless diseases, including cancer, at the genetic level? the USA

who invented the PC you are on and the internet you are communicating through? The USA

What nation cured polio? The USA

What nation is recognized across the globe as the determining factor in defeatimng fascism and imperialism in WWII? The USA

While you look at all of our faults, Jaha, also acknowledge our cointributions.

[Xvall]

who gives more $$$ in relief aid, debt relief, and humanitarian aid than anyone? the USA

Then again; who has attacked more countries, who had done nothing to the host country, in the past 50 years than ANYONE else? The US!

who is the only nation to send $$$ and humanitarian aid (red cross,peace corps, etc) in the event of a natural disaster anywhere in the world? The USA

What is the only nation that sent $$$ and economic aid to dictatorsPinochet, The Shah of Iran, Osoma Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein! The USA!

What nation has contributed to the advancement of mankind more than any other nation in the 20th century in both economic term and technological advancement? The USA

What nation is contributing to more pollution than any other; not to mention achievements such as being the ONLY nation to have ever used a nuclear weapon? The USA!

Who decoded the human genome, laying the groundwork for curing countless diseases, including cancer, at the genetic level? the USA

This proves nothing! Other nations have contributed just as much as the United States. Maybe if you stopped bombing them, they would be able to do it properly!

who invented the PC you are on and the internet you are communicating through? The USA

So? Who invented the Radio; which was the 'gateway' to the television? A russian. The internet? It was only created by the USA as an e-mail service for government administrations. The acutal World Wide Web was created by a sweedish professor.

What nation cured polio? The USA

What nation cured Meningitis? Cuba. I don't see what your statement proves.

What nation is recognized across the globe as the determining factor in defeatimng fascism and imperialism in WWII? The USA

So? The Soviet Union contributed to defeating fascism far more than the United States. In fact, the US didn't care about the state of Europe OR Asia until they were attacked! How noble! And imperialism? What about US imperialism? The entire country was stolen by the native Alaskans, Hawaiians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, and Americans.

While you look at all of our faults, Jaha, also acknowledge our cointributions.

Fine. But if you acknowledge your contributions, you must also look at your faults. I might say that Nazi Germany contributed to 'population control'; that doesn't mean it's a good thing.

[Umoja]

CI, your problem is that you put nationalism infront of the importance of human life. A missle defense system covers the presidents ass, it makes him feel safer. He doesn't have to worry about terrorist attack civilians, because he isn't one. He gets rich.

A missle defense system only says "We have alot of enemies that we made." And we really did make quite a few enemies, and we as a nation are getting what we deserve, we are finally feeling the effects of the suffering that we've spread to other members of our species.

Sure, protect American soverignty, because obviously everyone else is inferior. Everyone else is to busy trying to destroy America, for being the pillar of strength in the world. We've kept Diamonds in Angola safe. We've kept a Democratic election out of Chile. We loved it all, because our money is important. More important then the savages in other countries.

[Tkinter1]

Inventions are made by humans, not countries or systems. Bickering about which nation is better is pointless.

If you live in the US, and we get icbm's and the like fired at the country, you'll be on your hands and knees thanking this government for putting up a missle defense program in the event of an attack.

Umoja
"A missle defense system only says "We have alot of enemies that we made." And we really did make quite a few enemies, and we as a nation are getting what we deserve, we are finally feeling the effects of the suffering that we've spread to other members of our species."

A missle defense system to protect the AMERICAN CIVILIANS against possible attacks from terrorists. We make enemies becuase we can't be on everyones side. We can't please everyone believe it or not. and you say 'getting what we deserve.' WHO? WHO is getting what they deserve? The innocent kid sitting in school? The old ladie in the nursing home? The man and woman trying to provide for their family, trying to live a normal life. Who is we?

"Sure, protect American soverignty, because obviously everyone else is inferior."
Where did you get this from? How do these two things coincide? Seriously, you draw the strangest conclusions from things.

"A missle defense system covers the presidents ass, it makes him feel safer."
It makes the people feel safer, not just the president. You honestly think the president built this for himself?


Seriously Umoja, your complete idiocy has boggled my mind.

[Umoja]

Yeah,

I guess, it's the societies fault that our leaders get us into wars and then try to explain to us that we are in danger. If a terrorist wants to kill me, their isn't a thing I can do to stop it except making peace with the people who are angry enough to do the things they do. If you kill a terrorist, it'll only encourage more.

The only way to end the war of terror is to see what drives the people to these heights and remedy it. Do you really think Bin Laden is a person who is one in a million? Because even if he was, their are still over 6 billion people.

[Guest]

lol CI ur a funny chap indeed
ur reply to my post was ridiculously predictable not to mention hilarious but thats relative. perhaps u should come up with original thoughts urself wouldnt u agree?

i wont argue anything with you since ur world is divided between fantastic concepts as "good" and "evil". i wonder who gave u that idea..perhaps ur good friend mr bush? whats the point...

dont jump to conclusions old chap. u have no idea who i am, what i do, what i have done.. not even how many times i had discussions like these with ppl the likes of u. so claiming i have no real argument is not really a claim is it? its just a few more words in ur post so it looks better. im sure u know that

"lack of any real analytical ability" lol..
i think u should try to reply to ur own arguments from the opposite side before u post things like that. otherwise ur playing chess without trying to figure out how the opponent will react to ur moves

as to me not being registered... lol does that really matter? come now.. if ur going to reply to my posts u better not do it just so they go unanswered because that looks a bit desperate dont u think?

but dont worry about it old chap, really. go back to sleep.. sweet dreams with good mr bush. dont forget ur dose of soma

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Guest on 2:32 pm on Nov. 28, 2002
lol CI ur a funny chap indeed
ur reply to my post was ridiculously predictable not to mention hilarious but thats relative. perhaps u should come up with original thoughts urself wouldnt u agree?

i wont argue anything with you since ur world is divided between fantastic concepts as "good" and "evil". i wonder who gave u that idea..perhaps ur good friend mr bush? whats the point...

dont jump to conclusions old chap. u have no idea who i am, what i do, what i have done.. not even how many times i had discussions like these with ppl the likes of u. so claiming i have no real argument is not really a claim is it? its just a few more words in ur post so it looks better. im sure u know that

"lack of any real analytical ability" lol..
i think u should try to reply to ur own arguments from the opposite side before u post things like that. otherwise ur playing chess without trying to figure out how the opponent will react to ur moves

as to me not being registered... lol does that really matter? come now.. if ur going to reply to my posts u better not do it just so they go unanswered because that looks a bit desperate dont u think?

but dont worry about it old chap, really. go back to sleep.. sweet dreams with good mr bush. dont forget ur dose of soma

You still have not said anything relevant, "old chap". I have logged a number of debates and exchanged several ideas with many members of this board, and it is all here for your review. I have nothing to prove to you, nor would I even consider it a challenge in the 1st place.

"dont jump to conclusions old chap. u have no idea who i am, what i do, what i have done.. not even how many times i had discussions like these with ppl the likes of u. so claiming i have no real argument is not really a claim is it? its just a few more words in ur post so it looks better. im sure u know that"

Even though that is exactly what you did in your original comment to me?

Funny.

And the claim that you have no real argument is still in fact a valid claim, as here we are and you still have submitted nothing specific or of substance.

So, you are right,"mate", I don't know you or what you are about personally, but if your 2 posts to me are any indication, it doesn't amount too much.

And again, remember, just because someone doesn't agree with you, it doesn't mean that they only think in terms of "good" or "evil". It is you who is in fact being simple with dogmatic blanket statements that lack any real specifics or relevance to our discussions.

Go sit at the Kiddie table.

[Capitalist Imperial]

[quote]Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 2:57 am on Nov. 28, 2002


"Then again; who has attacked more countries, who had done nothing to the host country, in the past 50 years than ANYONE else? The US!"

How do you figure? The Romans and the British did that far more than we have.


"What is the only nation that sent $$$ and economic aid to dictatorsPinochet, The Shah of Iran, Osoma Bin Laden, and Saddam Hussein! The USA!"

Again, we are not the only nation to do that. Both the soviets and chinese have supported dictatorial regimes on several occaisions.


"What nation is contributing to more pollution than any other; not to mention achievements such as being the ONLY nation to have ever used a nuclear weapon? The USA!"

Yes, to stop a war that we were forced into. The bombing was justified.


"This proves nothing! Other nations have contributed just as much as the United States. Maybe if you stopped bombing them, they would be able to do it properly!"

LOL, "it proves nothing". OK, wallow in denial if you want, it is just another fact. All you have to say is that "it doesn't matter?" perhaps your attitude will be different if your terminal cancer is cured at the genetic level 30 yrears from now.

"So? Who invented the Radio; which was the 'gateway' to the television? A russian. The internet? It was only created by the USA as an e-mail service for government administrations. The acutal World Wide Web was created by a sweedish professor."


incorrect, sir, the WWW was a descendent of a US defense network communication system, please do not try to ascribe developments and inventions to other nations just to discredit the US. Everyone knows that the internet was a US invention, bottomline. And if you mean that nikola tesla was the "russian" who invneted the radio, you are correct. He was an American of russian descent, and he invented the radio in the USA.

"What nation cured polio? The USA

What nation cured Meningitis? Cuba. I don't see what your statement proves."

just another of many fundamental contributions in the 20th century that the US has mnore of than any other nation.


"So? The Soviet Union contributed to defeating fascism far more than the United States. In fact, the US didn't care about the state of Europe OR Asia until they were attacked! How noble! And imperialism? What about US imperialism? The entire country was stolen by the native Alaskans, Hawaiians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, and Americans."

Come on, drake, We've been over this. D-Day, the battle of the bulge. B-17's in daylight raids over berlin. The Soviets that did contribute to the war used a lot of US hardware anyways. Western europe was liberated by US forces. Russia was imperative to the east, but liberation of the already Nazi-occupiued West was a much bigger task Also, we fought in the pacific by ourselves. Where was russia? How can you say that the soviets contributed more than the US when the US was fully committed to 2 full theatres (europe and pacific), and the Soviets were only fighting in one (europe)?



"While you look at all of our faults, Jaha, also acknowledge our cointributions.

Fine. But if you acknowledge your contributions, you must also look at your faults. I might say that Nazi Germany contributed to 'population control'; that doesn't mean it's a good thing."

I do acknowledge some of our faults, Drake. I just don't blindly fault America and capitalism for the world's problems without looking at the net benefit of its contributions as well.