What's a human's life worth - in dollars?

[Goldfinger]

To all the cappies:
Imagine you were asked to accept that a totally innocent civilian should be executed. You would be offered a certain sum, let's say a million dollars. Every time you said no, you'd be offered a bigger amount of money. How far would you go before you say yes?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I am not a Capitalist, but thats not a very fair question. You can't expect someone to put a price on another's life. I see that you are just portraying that Capitalists are completely motivated by material posessions and ultimately money, but you can't say, "How much is a human life worth?"

[Frosty]

It's still an interesting question. Just to put it on the edge.

[Jaha]

my business and criminal law teacher said the if someone is drowning, and i say, "a million dollars to whoever saves his life!" then that offer "is not reasonable!"

i hope my teacher didnt mean that $1,000,000>1 human life....

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 9:57 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
I am not a Capitalist, but thats not a very fair question. You can't expect someone to put a price on another's life. I see that you are just portraying that Capitalists are completely motivated by material posessions and ultimately money, but you can't say, "How much is a human life worth?"

If the cappies don't wanna put a price on a human life, they're nothing but FILTHY, DIRTY LEFTISTS!!!

[Exploited Class]

Its worth at least 5.50 an hour.

[Tkinter1]

AW,

10 bucks and six pack, and any innocent can die. Seriously, I'm that money hungry.

[Goldfinger]

what are you, Tk?

[El Che]

I got a better question for you. Is a human life "worth" more than the life of another creature? why?

[Tkinter1]

AW,

I consider myself Capitalist. And i was joking about what I said. I wouldn't put a price on human life.

[Lardlad95]

If you take all the minerals and elements from a human body it will only add up to about 2.30 i think I can't rememeber the exact price but it couldn't even tally more than five bucks.

However the human mind spirit and soul are priceless

[Felicia]

85 cents American, per week

[Umoja]

Humans are more important then other animals, because we are the ones who ruined the planet.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Adresing El Che's question-
No, a human life is not more, or less imporatnt than that of another creature. We all came from the earth, we will all return to the earth. We play equaly important roles in the eco-system in order to keep other flora and fauna populations healthy.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Adresing El Che's question-
No, a human life is not more, or less imporatnt than that of another creature. We all came from the earth, we will all return to the earth. We play equaly important roles in the eco-system in order to keep other flora and fauna populations healthy.

[Exploited Class]

So how much is a life worth? Hard to say, but fortunetly in today's economy we have many ways of finding out.

McDonald's Employee's life is valued at 4.75 per hour of life given in trade. No health care for that life, no vacation time for that life, poor food to eat and less money for recreational activities and fitness programs. Life not worth very much.

A lawyers life per hour in trade is worth 150 dollars an hour. Vacation time, great health care, affords good food for the body, fitness and recreational. Life worth a good deal.

Or we can just walk into a hospital and ask what the cost for a LIFE SAVING open heart surgery is. That would be a price tag on life.

Slaves of 1800-1809 were worth about 350 dollars tops.
Today that would with inflation come to about 3809.27 dollars.
So maybe we are just slaves that are worth a bit more.

No value on life, or all life has the same price - communism.
Life has a price tag, a value, it is for bartering and is a commodity, to save it costs, to extend it costs, to keep it running well costs - The Ugly Beauty of Capitalism

[Kehoe]

Go ask the poor woman dressed in rags as she holds her starving child close to her and clinging to the hope that it will somehow survive ... ask her the value of her childs life. - Karo

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 12:50 am on Nov. 28, 2002
AW,

I consider myself Capitalist. And i was joking about what I said. I wouldn't put a price on human life.

Filthy, dirty, sick, fucked-up COMMIE!!!

[Tkinter1]

haha ok?

[Tkinter1]

"McDonald's Employee's life is valued at 4.75 per hour of life given in trade. No health care for that life, no vacation time for that life, poor food to eat and less money for recreational activities and fitness programs. Life not worth very much."

The employee you're refering to is the employee who is aorund 14 years old, and probably his or her first job. Also, it's around 5.75 an hour I beleive, and increases if they work longer. Its usally a 3-4 hour shift as well.

Oh and no benefits for employees?? I urge you to check this out: http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers...fits/index.html (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers/benefits/index.html)

Notice that everything you said they don't provide, they do, and more.

"Or we can just walk into a hospital and ask what the cost for a LIFE SAVING open heart surgery is. That would be a price tag on life."

its called Medicare if you can't afford it, and most people with jobs can in one way or another. I do realise the affordable health care issue needs to be addressed. But it can be fixed without switching to Communism.

"Slaves of 1800-1809 were worth about 350 dollars tops.
Today that would with inflation come to about 3809.27 dollars.
So maybe we are just slaves that are worth a bit more."
Hmm maybe..... not.


"No value on life, or all life has the same price - communism."
Yeah, that no value on life thing, thats what leads to the millions of deaths which always seem to accompany Communism.

"Life has a price tag, a value, it is for bartering and is a commodity, to save it costs, to extend it costs, to keep it running well costs - The Ugly Beauty of Capitalism "
Im sorry you have been misinformed this badly, I truly am.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from Victorcommie on 5:22 am on Nov. 28, 2002
Adresing El Che's question-
No, a human life is not more, or less imporatnt than that of another creature. We all came from the earth, we will all return to the earth. We play equaly important roles in the eco-system in order to keep other flora and fauna populations healthy.



fuck that if my daughter and my dog both have fuckin uh Small pox or some shit and I only have enough vaccine for one of them

I'm givin it to my daughter

thats not to say Animals aren't worth anything but a humanlife is worth more

[antieverything]

In today's markets, a human body is worth over 2 million bucks US.

[Lardlad95]

Quote: from antieverything on 1:16 am on Nov. 29, 2002
In today's markets, a human body is worth over 2 million bucks US.

Actually in Sudan it's worth a couple of thousand

and in the child slave trade in teh US/mexico it's worth a good 1000 depending on age

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

To lardlad95: To you, your daughter's life is worth more EMOTIONALY, than the life of your dog, obviously. That would mean that you might pay more to see your daughter live than you would pay for your dog.
On another note, why should hospitals decide who deserves healthcare based on how much money they have?

[RAFAELESCARCEGA]

It depends on whose life it is, to some death would be a favor. everything runs on money even socialism, the lifes of the oppressed, the blind (to society), and those who are part of the solution are the only ones whose lifes i would not put a price on.

[Exploited Class]

"The employee you're refering to is the employee who is aorund 14 years old, and probably his or her first job. Also, it's around 5.75 an hour I beleive, and increases if they work longer. Its usally a 3-4 hour shift as well. "

Well we all know that tkinter1 lives in a very small town. Yes when I lived in a small town, McDonalds was reserved mostly for teenagers, and everybody else that couldn't find work because of high unemployment. In large cities that isn't the case. And you seem to think this is an argument only on McDonalds, it isn't it is all low paying jobs. In large cities it is not just teenagers, in fact, I'd be hard pressed to find teenagers at any fast food low paying jobs. It increases generally around a dime a year, I know, because somebody that worked for them is right here.

"Oh and no benefits for employees?? I urge you to check this out: http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers...ndex.html" (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers/benefits/index.html")

Want to go and check out the prices on those benefits? Notice how they don't tell you the prices. I worked at pizza hut and they offer everything that McDonalds, healthcare packages are around a hundred dollars, and this was back in 92 - 93. They had all the retirement benefits also, just you could in no way ever pay into the benefits and expect to have enough money to eat. Those benefits are for managers at those places. The head managers and the assistant managers, not even shift managers could afford them. But they provide them for P.R. so people like you can say, "oooh ooh look they provide benefits, they aren't evil."

"its called Medicare if you can't afford it, and most people with jobs can in one way or another. I do realise the affordable health care issue needs to be addressed. But it can be fixed without switching to Communism. "

Captialist medical problems are just pinnacle of the problem, the most visible of its wounds. Charging money to keep people alive and healthy is disguisting it is macbre to say the least. Just one of the many examples of the coldheartness of capitalism.

"Yeah, that no value on life thing, thats what leads to the millions of deaths which always seem to accompany Communism."

Yes because what you are refering to is communism, and not a tolatarian/authoritorian state ran by a mad man. Stalin does not equal communism, perhaps a little more studying on your part on the subject matter for the board you are posting to would be in your best interests, since even my grandpa who fought in WWII knows the difference between Stalin and Communism.


""Life has a price tag, a value, it is for bartering and is a commodity, to save it costs, to extend it costs, to keep it running well costs - The Ugly Beauty of Capitalism "
Im sorry you have been misinformed this badly, I truly am."

Okay so show me how going to the hospital to save your life doesn't have a price tag? Show me how a person doesn't bater thier life in exchange for a price tag? Show me how the cost of healthier foods don't come with a price tag? When corporations lay off people to save money, they are laying off lives for a pricetag. Not a commodity? Prove it, because everything I have studied in econ is that a trade of services in exchange for something is identical to having something and selling it for exchange for something, that is a commodity.

[Tkinter1]

EC,

People who work at Mcdonalds(and jobs like it), who work the menial shift, are either teens, bums who don't want to work hard, dropouts, retirees, or some other type of fool. Lets face it, if these people aren't going to provide any type of meaningfull service, that the average monkey couldn't, what good are they to either Communists or Capitalists?(WORK FORCE WISE, not in general).

"Yes because what you are refering to is communism, and not a tolatarian/authoritorian state ran by a mad man. Stalin does not equal communism, perhaps a little more studying on your part on the subject matter for the board you are posting to would be in your best interests, since even my grandpa who fought in WWII knows the difference between Stalin and Communism."

Nothing equals Communism, it never works out how its supposed to. It just seems that a lot of times when we try it, we end up with a huge pile of shit.

"Okay so show me how going to the hospital to save your life doesn't have a price tag?When corporations lay off people to save money, they are laying off lives for a pricetag. Not a commodity? Prove it, because everything I have studied in econ is that a trade of services in exchange for something is identical to having something and selling it for exchange for something, that is a commodity."

What do you propse to fix the problems you see... A logical proposal.

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 8:39 am on Nov. 29, 2002
Nothing equals Communism, it never works out how its supposed to. It just seems that a lot of times when we try it, we end up with a huge pile of shit.
Actually, it has worked for the campensinos of Chiapas for hundreds of years, and they didn't even try. It just happened. They found out that that was the best and most fair way of living. That was before Marx developed it in theory.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 8:13 pm on Nov. 28, 2002
"McDonald's Employee's life is valued at 4.75 per hour of life given in trade. No health care for that life, no vacation time for that life, poor food to eat and less money for recreational activities and fitness programs. Life not worth very much."

The employee you're refering to is the employee who is aorund 14 years old, and probably his or her first job. Also, it's around 5.75 an hour I beleive, and increases if they work longer. Its usally a 3-4 hour shift as well.

Oh and no benefits for employees?? I urge you to check this out: http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers...fits/index.html (http://www.mcdonalds.com/corporate/careers/benefits/index.html)

Notice that everything you said they don't provide, they do, and more.

"Or we can just walk into a hospital and ask what the cost for a LIFE SAVING open heart surgery is. That would be a price tag on life."

its called Medicare if you can't afford it, and most people with jobs can in one way or another. I do realise the affordable health care issue needs to be addressed. But it can be fixed without switching to Communism.

"Slaves of 1800-1809 were worth about 350 dollars tops.
Today that would with inflation come to about 3809.27 dollars.
So maybe we are just slaves that are worth a bit more."
Hmm maybe..... not.


"No value on life, or all life has the same price - communism."
Yeah, that no value on life thing, thats what leads to the millions of deaths which always seem to accompany Communism.

"Life has a price tag, a value, it is for bartering and is a commodity, to save it costs, to extend it costs, to keep it running well costs - The Ugly Beauty of Capitalism "
Im sorry you have been misinformed this badly, I truly am.


exploitedcalss just got schooled

[Tkinter1]

"Actually, it has worked for the campensinos of Chiapas for hundreds of years, and they didn't even try. It just happened. They found out that that was the best and most fair way of living. That was before Marx developed it in theory."

I'm talking about large scale Communism.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Tkinter1 on 7:32 pm on Nov. 29, 2002
"Actually, it has worked for the campensinos of Chiapas for hundreds of years, and they didn't even try. It just happened. They found out that that was the best and most fair way of living. That was before Marx developed it in theory."

I'm talking about large scale Communism.

Yeah, totally, ancient tribes don't count, as that is not true communism. Economics were totally different in ancient tribes, needs were simpler, resources for distribution were not scarce,labor is not a commodity, etc, etc.

apples & oranges

[Jaha]

all you capitalists need to realize two things. tribes do count. they show that people are not greedy bastards. secondly, if you want to really prove communism doesnt work, i say, give it time. the feudalists never believed capitalism would work. at look us now!

one human life is worth more than all the non-living things in the universe but less than two living. (of course, i have an intense bias and would never practice this theory. were all hypocrites, so sue me.)

a human life equals an animal life. anyone who disagrees should kill a tiger cub and ask its mother if a human is worth more.

[Red Revolution]

CI - Freedom of spech will not feed/home people. Communism will work as long as they dont have greedy cappie's breathing down their necks constantly demanding more out of their economy for arms. What destroyed ther USSR - nato

[Tkinter1]

"all you capitalists need to realize two things. tribes do count. they show that people are not greedy bastards."

As CI stated "Economics were totally different in ancient tribes, needs were simpler, resources for distribution were not scarce,labor is not a commodity, etc, etc."

tribal 'communism', can not be expected to work on a large scale. Communism works in undiverese, simple societies, where demands are easier to meet(do to the number of people). Communism can't handle a modern society. But hey, if you want to give up all of you're possesions, and way of life to join an unprogressive tribal group, no ones going to stop you. Just don't expect to many people to follow you.

"Communism will work as long as they dont have greedy cappie's breathing down their necks constantly demanding more out of their economy for arms. "

Please tell me how cappies would be breathing down the necks of Commies in a Commie society. And what arms? What are you talking about?

"What destroyed ther USSR - nato"

Yeah that and the famine, disease, and dissidents. Are you telling me that the USSR would have worked if it weren't for NATO? Despite the fact that it oppressed the people and killed millions?

[Kehoe]

All life-forms are equal in that they each possess the seeds of death.Who can say that man is superior to beasts? ... as one dies so dies the other,we all become dust in the end,and in the nostrils of a dog is the same breath of life we consume.However,unlike other animals we possess the potential to be human although many people prefer to exert only animalistic instincts. - Karo

[Tkinter1]

Thanks yoda.

[Guest]

Hey Subcomandante; how many people have been killed by communism, with the result of making the countries were this genocide goes on-China, Cambodia, Russia-poorer, not richer. At least the non-existent capitalist of your example had profit as his motive, the communist kill because they hate the good.

[Len]

Hey Guest. Many more people have died because of capitalism. THe 2.5 billion people who make less than a dollar a day are victims of capitalism.