"earth liberation front" aka eco-terrorists - economic terro

[Capitalist Imperial]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,71506,00.html

Apparently, these twig eaters have nothing better to do than attack legitimate businesses with cowardly vandalism more likened to a high-school TP job than actual relevant political action.

I hope I never catch one of these self-righteous punks around my SUV. More importantly, they should hope I don't catch them.

[Xvall]

Good news. Too bad they didn't attack the actual car industries instead. I can't believe that a supporter of a nation that bomb CIVILIANS is yelling at some people for ruining a few cars.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Drake Dracoli on 9:16 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
Good news. Too bad they didn't attack the actual car industries instead. I can't believe that a supporter of a nation that bomb CIVILIANS is yelling at some people for ruining a few cars.

collateral damage is not intentional bombing of civilians, lets abstract here

[new democracy]

Bush don't intent to kill civilians, he just don't care.

[Marxist ally]

CI mabye its because us civillians have never been bombed.

[Moskitto]

1. I don't see the point in having a car with a massive engine, why not the same size car with a more efficient engine so you spend less on petrol?

2. ELF and co take it too far and are often against things that would actually help the environment.

[Umoja]

Honest to God CI, you really own an SUV?

The Eco-Terrorist have pretty noble goals. They realize that either we kill the earth, and we die as well or they try to awaken people to the truth. If I were to say anything, I'd say their measures aren't extreme enough. They need popular support in larger numbers.

So, really, you can call them terrorist, but I'd rather have a terrorist save our planet, then destroy while I'm driving in an expensive car, because I could care less about the world my children inherit.

[suffianr]

Hey wanker, you want to talk about economic terrorism?

Your State Department announced, during the previous week, that Malaysia, where I stay, is next on the list of potential targets in SE Asia. (It's in the news forum, check it yourself, tosser).

No evidence was given to back up the so-called warnings, no further leads were given to the Malaysian police or Defense Department, and essentially no further information to amount to anything more than another typical random scare tactic employed to keep the region in a prolonged state of unnecessary alertness. Gee, whadda we do now, Boss? :)

"Hey, look, up there, it's a bird, it's a plane, it's Osama!"

Now, what do you think foreign investors, tourists and overseas media do when they hear something like that? WHY, THEY STAY THE FUCK AWAY! :biggrin:

.: Short-term = Loss or a decrease in annual tourist revenues, loss of foreign funds/capital that "stimulates" the national & regional economy, higher inflation (long-term), a devaluation of our currency in the international exchanges, not to mention lay-offs (downsizing), unemployment etc. destabilizes the financial share markets and the KLSE (Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange) ends up flogging an already worthless currency (USD 1= 3.8 Malaysian Dollars)...what the fuck do you mean to say about economic terrorism???

Holy Shit Batman, there's the little boy who cried wolf again!!!

Ah, fuck you, CI. :)

[LOIC]

Well said Umoja.

What these guys did is a good thing.
Sabotage and vandalism are good ways to fight a powerful enemy.
Capitalism is a threat not only for us but for the planet, so we must act.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:57 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
1. I don't see the point in having a car with a massive engine, why not the same size car with a more efficient engine so you spend less on petrol?

2. ELF and co take it too far and are often against things that would actually help the environment.


because driving conditions in the USA often call for large payloads carried over longer distances, especially with those who use trucks, vans, and suv's as work vehicles

[Jaha]

i have wondered many times. what if the liberals stopped preaching. what if we let capitalism destroy the peoples minds, and then their bodies, and then their environment? what if we let the foolish greedy pigs dkill us all and then they will see just how stupid they are when the only things still alive are the cockroaches ( i heard they can survive radiation)?

kill us all cappie, but dont forget yourself.....

[Capitalist Imperial]

these responses are laughable, using the SUV as a scapegoat for earths eco-problems, when in reality SUV's account for less than 1/10th of 1% of all of earth's dangerous pollutants. methane gas from the world's cow population surpasses this

not to mention that Ford Motor Co., the world's #1 producer/seller of SUV's has, without government regulation, committed to increasing fuel efficiency on all suv's by 25% over the next 5 years

of course, big bad corporate america will get no accolades for this, you leftists will merely find something else to blame on big bad corporate america

[Moskitto]

Methane gas isn't exactly poisonous, unlike hydrogen cyanide and tri-cyclo-hexene, which come from car exhausts,


not to mention that Ford Motor Co., the world's #1 producer/seller of SUV's has, without government regulation, committed to increasing fuel efficiency on all suv's by 25% over the next 5 years

that's a good thing, a step in the right direction, what about alternative fuel sources?

[Moskitto]

hmmm, i just thought of the 4th most stupid idea of all time,

the nuclear powered car!!!!!!

do not ram the driver infront, New York City will regret it,

[Umoja]

"of course, big bad corporate america will get no accolades for this, you leftists will merely find something else to blame on big bad corporate america "

Yeah. I'll break this down metaphorically. If people are starving, and your malnutritioned, your better off, but you should still seek to make yourself well fed, and not stay content being malnutritioned.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:50 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
what about alternative fuel sources?


good question. for will be the 1st auto maker to market to the general public a hydrogen fuel-cell hybrid vehicle (i think its the "ford escape", and in my own city of San Diego, a ford dealership is opening the 1st alternative fuel dealership in the USA. the dealership will sell alternative fuel and electric cars, and also will provide the fuel/power juctions also

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Jaha on 10:39 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
i have wondered many times. what if the liberals stopped preaching. what if we let capitalism destroy the peoples minds, and then their bodies, and then their environment? what if we let the foolish greedy pigs dkill us all and then they will see just how stupid they are when the only things still alive are the cockroaches ( i heard they can survive radiation)?

kill us all cappie, but dont forget yourself.....


This is a highly assuming question.

You have a built in assumption in your argument that capitalism is "killing" or "destroying" us all, when in reality it is responsible for most of the world's economic growth and almost every major advancement of the 20th century.

hardly killing us, it, more than any other system, is making us grow.

[Mazdak]

I stand 100% behind ALF and ELF. Long live Environmental Terrorism.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Mazdak on 1:03 am on Nov. 27, 2002
I stand 100% behind ALF and ELF. Long live Environmental Terrorism.

Forget you, Mazdak!

How can you claim to be a legitimate authoritarian when you support dissidents?

[Umoja]

Hehe,

CI has a point their Mazdak. Well, still, I support eco-'terrorist', if only more of them were in the G/GPUSA!

[antieverything]

Fuck the ELF...they do absolutely nothing to harm the corporations that they say that they are against. Instead they hurt working people!

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I probaly don't speak for all left-wing supporters when I say that these eco-terrorists are waisting time as well as giving a bad name to all left-wing parties. The enviromentalists are inustrialy regressive and favor the enviroment more than human development. These hippies apparently have nothing better to do than to vandalize people's stuff, besides it's not going to make a difference. I agree that SUVs are not very enviromentaly friendly and should not be as widely used as maybe thay are in America, but these people are going about it the wrong way.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

I probaly don't speak for all left-wing supporters when I say that these eco-terrorists are waisting time as well as giving a bad name to all left-wing parties. The enviromentalists are inustrialy regressive and favor the enviroment more than human development. These hippies apparently have nothing better to do than to vandalize people's stuff, besides it's not going to make a difference. I agree that SUVs are not very enviromentaly friendly and should not be as widely used as maybe thay are in America, but these people are going about it the wrong way.

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:46 pm on Nov. 26, 2002

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:50 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
what about alternative fuel sources?

good question. for will be the 1st auto maker to market to the general public a hydrogen fuel-cell hybrid vehicle (i think its the "ford escape", and in my own city of San Diego, a ford dealership is opening the 1st alternative fuel dealership in the USA. the dealership will sell alternative fuel and electric cars, and also will provide the fuel/power juctions also

i was under the assumption that GM was going to be releasing a hydrogen (fuel cell) vehicle before any other company in america. perhaps my information is out of date though.

anyway, i have a small input about the SUV talk. At my school, the mechanical engineering department participates in a nation wide competition called Future Truck. In the pas few years, they got a Ford Explorer, yanked out the V8, put in a four cylinder and an electric motor, and the explorer increased its gas mileage by an amazing amount, all while maintaining its towing capacity.

[Stormin Norman]

"Bush don't intent to kill civilians, he just don't care."

In my opinion, Bush has been too restrained in his execution of the war. Perhaps it is his genuine concern for human life that puts us in the current position that we are in with Iraq. The UN route is wasting valuable time and compromising our internal security. Don't you think Saddam has had ample warning to the fact that we intend to depose his current regime. Those dangerous weapons he has produced probably sit somewhere in Indonesia by now. For what, to silence those critics who say that we are being to aggressive with repect to defending ourselves from future attacks?

I fear for those unfortunate individuals in Iraq that may be unlucky enough to become collateral damage given that Saddam makes the choice to go to war. However, I am more fearful about the large number of casualties the U.S. is likely to suffer in terms of ground troops. Also alarming remains the nakedness of our civilian population here at home. The number of casualties we could suffer here may be larger than anything seen in the actual theater of war.

If by wasting time taking the diplomatic route, we suffer catostrophic civilian losses resulting from terrorist attacks amplified by weapons of mass destruction, I fear the backlash against liberals will be even greater than the consequences for the terrorist networks who actually commited the act. Piles of bodies here at home might have a way of stiffeling free speech, especially the kind of talk the regards this lackadaisical response towards terrorism as high-minded.

I fear that we are about a stones throw away from enacting another version of the Alien and Sedition Act. If you value your way of life I suggest you get out of the way, for the country has shifted and tolerance is reaching a relative minimum. All it would take is what the intelligence networks are calling a 'spectacular event' to forever change the political culture of this nation to one that places less emphasis on the freedoms we take for granted. Quite frankly, I do not want to live in a country that decides to intern people based on their belief system. However, the majority of people might not see it that way if they have to start burying friends and family.

Look at how the political culture has already changed. How many times a day do you hear someone proclaiming that they would be willing to give up civil rights in return for security. When I learned of the event on 9-11, I said to the clerk at the gas station, "get ready to witness the rapid decline of your civil rights". His reponse was an uncomfortable laugh.

I do not show unwaivering support for my government, peace dick. In fact, I am highly critical and and suspicious of the powers we instill in our bureacracies. The reason I support this war on terror is because I am smart enough to realize what is at stake here. Our way of life is hanging by a thread. We must do everything in our ability to strengthen our security and the democratic institutions that allow us to be free. My biggest concern is in the erosion of the processes, methods, and over all political culture that protect the freedoms we enjoy. So far I have seen greater efforts in restricting the rights of the citizens of the United States than in capturing and killing those enemies that threaten the objects of my concern. More thought is given to the 'feelings' of those who wish to harm us than the protection of our citizens.

If the administration had taken my advice, they would have secured the borders, and put a moratorium on all immigration. We would have put our enemies on notice that we will react to another event that threatens our society with an attack on the institutions that they may value (Mecca). If I had had my way we would have attacked Iraq and Afghanistan simultaneuosly, without prior notice, and we would be roling over Saudi Arabia as we speak. Since violence and power are the only things our enemy seem to respect, these actions could have knocked the fight out of them. On the other hand, these actions might have started World War III. Do any of you truly doubt that another world war is inevitable, at this point? The only difference between my route and the road we are currently on remains who wins and who loses. In my perspective, the freedoms and culture that I enjoy is worth saving, even at the expense of the enemies culture. If we must completely obliterate their way of life to ensure the survival of our own, so be it. That is already how our enemy views this fight. The sooner we come to understand this truth, the safer we will remain.
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In regards to the Earth Liberation Front, I say treat them like the enemies of civilization that they are. They are a terrorist organization. They should be treated in the same manner that I prescribe to treating the Islamic terrorist networks, disrupt and destroy. Let the terrorists become the terrorized. Fear of the loss of their own lives, destruction of their own property, and degradation of their values should be their concern, not ours.

(Edited by Stormin Norman at 3:41 am on Nov. 28, 2002)

[Umoja]

Yes, Eco-Terrorist do hurt workers but Human devolopment is meaningless if we can't develop because our planet is dead. Their tactics should seek to make people aware of the death of the Earth, and go more after the upper class of these companies.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from abstractmentality on 8:48 am on Nov. 27, 2002

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 4:46 pm on Nov. 26, 2002

Quote: from Moskitto on 10:50 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
what about alternative fuel sources?

good question. for will be the 1st auto maker to market to the general public a hydrogen fuel-cell hybrid vehicle (i think its the "ford escape", and in my own city of San Diego, a ford dealership is opening the 1st alternative fuel dealership in the USA. the dealership will sell alternative fuel and electric cars, and also will provide the fuel/power juctions also

i was under the assumption that GM was going to be releasing a hydrogen (fuel cell) vehicle before any other company in america. perhaps my information is out of date though.

anyway, i have a small input about the SUV talk. At my school, the mechanical engineering department participates in a nation wide competition called Future Truck. In the pas few years, they got a Ford Explorer, yanked out the V8, put in a four cylinder and an electric motor, and the explorer increased its gas mileage by an amazing amount, all while maintaining its towing capacity.

I saw that article in my inter-company newletter. Mileage, maybe, but, come on, they could not have maintained the same towing capacity with a 4 cyl/elec hybrid

[Moskitto]

the problem with hydrogen is that people are prejudiced against it as a fuel source,

people automatically think hydrogen=hindenburg (not even a hydrogen fuel source,) but in reality research has shown that hydrogen did not cause the hindenburg disaster,

had the hydrogen ignited the airship would have collapsed straight downwards, in reality it stayed horizontal while burning, what is more likely is a spark caused by static as the airship moved through the air which ignited the airship, had the technology been better this wouldn't have happened, the german government knew this was the reason within months but blamed hydrogen because they didn't want to admit their technology was faulty just before they were about to go to war,

there's other stuff we're prejudiced against as well though,

[apathy maybe]

Edit.

[abstractmentality]

CI:
Actually, part of the competition is that they retain towing capacity. my school got first place last year (http://www.futuretruck.org/archive/2001/index.html), so they are pretty into it. for more information, you can check out the Future Truck website (http://www.futuretruck.org)

[abstractmentality]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 5:24 am on Nov. 27, 2002
I fear for those unfortunate individuals in Iraq that may be unlucky enough to become collateral damage given that Saddam makes the choice to go to war. However, I am more fearful about the large number of casualties the U.S. is likely to suffer in terms of ground troops. Also alarming remains the nakedness of our civilian population here at home. The number of casualties we could suffer here may be larger than anything seen in the actual theater of war.
perhaps im reading this wrong, but to me this paragraph is implying that american civilian lives are worth more then iraqi or afghanistan civilian lives? i really hope that this is not what you are implying.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:40 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
the problem with hydrogen is that people are prejudiced against it as a fuel source,

people automatically think hydrogen=hindenburg (not even a hydrogen fuel source,) but in reality research has shown that hydrogen did not cause the hindenburg disaster,

had the hydrogen ignited the airship would have collapsed straight downwards, in reality it stayed horizontal while burning, what is more likely is a spark caused by static as the airship moved through the air which ignited the airship, had the technology been better this wouldn't have happened, the german government knew this was the reason within months but blamed hydrogen because they didn't want to admit their technology was faulty just before they were about to go to war,

there's other stuff we're prejudiced against as well though,


yeah, I saw a documentary on that too, it was actually the outer skin and its flammable paint that ignited 1st, and that is what took the hindenburg down

that was an interesting special

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from apathy maybe on 11:46 am on Nov. 28, 2002
OK people,
Lets start by saying that even though I am Communist, Catholic, and other things, (You know that schizophrenic thing? Well I don't have it. But something is going on in my head.) I still think that humans are a blight on the universe. Now I've said that lets create a virus that will make us all sterile. So that the last one out could turn of the lights.
Link.
http://www.vhemt.org/




Unfortunately, this attitude is counter-productive to the development of mankind. I hope that you do not represent most communists, or people for that matter, in just wanting to "throw up your hands and give up".

What would your god think?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Quote: from abstractmentality on 10:43 pm on Nov. 29, 2002

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 5:24 am on Nov. 27, 2002
I fear for those unfortunate individuals in Iraq that may be unlucky enough to become collateral damage given that Saddam makes the choice to go to war. However, I am more fearful about the large number of casualties the U.S. is likely to suffer in terms of ground troops. Also alarming remains the nakedness of our civilian population here at home. The number of casualties we could suffer here may be larger than anything seen in the actual theater of war.
perhaps im reading this wrong, but to me this paragraph is implying that american civilian lives are worth more then iraqi or afghanistan civilian lives? i really hope that this is not what you are implying.


not worth more, but of course you are going to be more concrened about your fellow countrymen than people 1/2 way arond the world, especially when you are one of the ones in danger, not to mention that most of the so-called "innocent" civilians in those nations would love to see America crumble and its people suffer

[kidicarus20]

I'm a big fan of ELF, i'm a member.

Actually I'm straight-edge, in utah straight-edgers have done something like 2.8 million dollars in damage to fur farms and shit. Other straight-edgers used to beat up people for smoking or drinking or shit, usually attacking frats with mace, chans, brass knuckles, etc..

Utah is another place where ELF is big, they've vandalized quite a lot they were on the news just a little while ago.

[kidicarus20]

straight-edge and ELF and ALF a lot of the time are mixed in together

[Anonymous]

So your a supporter of domestic terrorism?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

You enviromental terrorists should stop, theres no use in what your doing. People aren't gonna stop buying SUVs or fur coats. We shouldn't try to protect the animals until we can protect our fellow humans from exploitation. Yes, the abuse should stop, but you people are just perpetuating the violence by vandalizng people's stuff.

[Moskitto]

Quote: from Capitalist Imperial on 12:20 am on Nov. 30, 2002

Quote: from Moskitto on 9:40 pm on Nov. 27, 2002
the problem with hydrogen is that people are prejudiced against it as a fuel source,

people automatically think hydrogen=hindenburg (not even a hydrogen fuel source,) but in reality research has shown that hydrogen did not cause the hindenburg disaster,

had the hydrogen ignited the airship would have collapsed straight downwards, in reality it stayed horizontal while burning, what is more likely is a spark caused by static as the airship moved through the air which ignited the airship, had the technology been better this wouldn't have happened, the german government knew this was the reason within months but blamed hydrogen because they didn't want to admit their technology was faulty just before they were about to go to war,

there's other stuff we're prejudiced against as well though,


yeah, I saw a documentary on that too, it was actually the outer skin and its flammable paint that ignited 1st, and that is what took the hindenburg down

that was an interesting special


yeah, our organic chemistry teacher was talking about it this week because we're doing a presentation on fuels.

so if anyone knows anything about petro-chemical processing (not fractional distilation) i'm interested,

[Moskitto]

i think ALF are worse though, if a possible cure for AIDS was developed but it needed to be tested on a small number of animal, ALF would saboutage any testing,

[apathy maybe]

Edit.

[antieverything]

That is some stupid shit...almost as bad as the Chuch of Euthanasia. It all boils down to the belief that a human life has no meaning.

[Moskitto]

"one step on the way to treating humans like animals is treating animals like humans"

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from Moskitto on 4:57 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
ELF and co take it too far and are often against things that would actually help the environment.Agreed. They're a lot like a few choice morons here (who I will not name, but you get my drift) who care more about taking action than actually improving things. The most drastic actions often will not lead to the most drastic improvements.

Lindsay

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from antieverything on 5:17 pm on Dec. 1, 2002
It all boils down to the belief that a human life has no meaning.

Are you claiming that life does have meaning then??

[Umoja]

Meaning of Life is to die. Every animal dies, and every human dies. Their has been no proven way to bring a body back to life. Cells continue to grow, even after the spark of life is gone.... I mean seriously, you guys can be Atheist, but the thing is that when I die and stay dead, you can't tell me I was wrong. So why not keep a system of values that make me feel happy?

[antieverything]

So, your 'set of values' is that nothing matters and human life is unimportant? So it means nothing if you go around shooting random people and cutting babies out of pregnant women?

I simply can't allow myself to believe that...you can go ahead and kill yourself.

[apathy maybe]

Edit.

[Umoja]

No, because if everyone is going to die, they can live out however they want.... I'm kind of mixed between nihilism, religion, Democratic Socialism, and Extreme Anarchy.... So I'm obviously confused.

[antieverything]

So, if I like to dress up in a clown costume, sneak into birthday parties, and murder and rape little boys I'm not doing anything wrong because that's just my thing, right?

If a single life has meaning and it is better that a person is alive than dead, how can the entire human race not be worth preserving?

[RedCeltic]

UGH! How many times do I have to read idiots praising ELF on this freekin' board? EXP idiots who love call people "Counter revolutionary."

I have seen first hand how ELF operates. I tell you what, any of you firebugs attack my ability to earn a living, I'll kill you! Do ya Jive? HUh?

My guess is that these snot nose collage kids live in houses of their own and don't know which end of a hammer to swing at a nail.

The Building trades are the last of the skilled laborers in the United States. The last refuge for people to earn a decent wage in this countery without a collage degree.

You can't be for the working class and ELF at the same time.

[Umoja]

I'm not advocating murder, I don't want to feel pain, and neither does anyone else. We should all live our lives free of suffering, and able to make our own communal (Democratic) descisions. So murder is wrong, because no one wants to be killed or feel pain.

The point of furthering the human race, is to give people the assurance that they are being left behind, in their offspring or their species, and besides that all animals want to naturally further themselves, for some odd reason. We are all part of a machine I guess.

[RedCeltic]

Sorry I wasn't following the conversation and am too lazy to read the whole thread.... What does Murder have to do with ELF which has been known to be anti-worker?

[Guest]

Capitolist Imperialist, you are laughable fool. Your pathetic quote by Regan is so ilogical, an backwards that I had one of my best laughs in days, and I thank you for that. It appears to me you lack education, and support a government that has turned it's back on you. Government has always been a tool of the ruling class, and America is no different. Our politicians, specificaly the Bush administration service big buisness, and themselves. Anything positive that happens to Americans is usualy a side effect of this relationship, or a tactic to increase consumerism(I.e to service big business). I urge you to open your eyes and realize what it is your defending. Your so wrapped up, I think you forgot what the truth looks like.

[antieverything]

Anyway...didn't you say earlier that it would be a good thing if all humans just died? Death is death is death...

So the question is: Is nonexistance better than existance?

[Iepilei]

Regarding the whole Ford Fuel Efficiency Increase...

Yeah, I heard about that. A whole extra 5-8 MPG will put the traditional 18 MPG cars up there next to most import sedans. They're a bit behind in their technological "advancements" if you ask me.

What I'm looking forward to is the 100km/1L car by Volkswagen. To me, that is a step in the right direction.

[lifetrnal]

The problem with the ELF, ALF, and other radical environmental groups is not their tactics. Certainly, in the cource of human events it is nessasry to use direct action to stop the tyranny of others and to do what is right. The problem lies in their faliure to see that environmental issues are symptom of the capitalistic system of explotation. They fail to see that what they *fight* for is inseperably bonded to the issues of class, poverty, and oppresion.
I'm not sure why this is.... I think it may be, unfortunately, that the self-avowed members of these groups are middle-class. And for the most part, the middle-class has an ever to convienent habit for them, of overlooking those beneath them.

[RedCeltic]

Yes, direct action is neccery, however if anti-sweat shop activists worked in the same way as ELF, we'd be burning down the homes of Nike factory workers.

I agree that the problem with ELF is that they don't see capitalism as the problem. Perhaps that is why they attack workers.

If ELF would stop and consider what the causes of urban sprawl are, than perhaps their direct action would be directed at the heart of the problem rather than it's symptom.

[Umoja]

"Anyway...didn't you say earlier that it would be a good thing if all humans just died? Death is death is death...

So the question is: Is nonexistance better than existance? "

No, I didn't say all humans should just die, do you want to die right now? Because I don't but regardless we are eventually going to die. Existence is far better then non-existance, because we can't prove non-existance exist, and most of us would rather be in a state of understanding.

[antieverything]

Sorry, I got you mixed up with someone else.

Still, what did you mean when you said that the "Meaning of Life is to die"?

[Umoja]

It's universal that everything dies, so obviously since it's universal to every living thing, then it's the purpose of life or central to the purpose.

[antieverything]

Every living thing lives...so what's your point? The living part, however, is much more important. Therefore, the meaning of life must exist in the living!

[Alexander Pop]

i'm refering to some earlier statements of i do not know who...ehheeh...i just saw it and forgot who said that and other statements that followed regarding the death of mankind.
If all humans die out than what would encounter is a great disbalance in the ecosystem, for all living beings including humans are maintaining the ecosystem so obliteration of any means disbalance. Humans shoud not be let to die out nor thay should keep taking actions taht result in dying out of other species. It's all about humans being sane when taking actions and think about others not just them selves. This would mean that man "should return to nature", meaning that he should realize what place in the nature he holds and work on bettering his kind but not by taking away the right to live of other species or other humans.
This would mean a complete obsolence of money which is the greates evil mankind has ever developped.
If the existance of money whould be thrown away and a global republic formed based od communistic and naturalistic thoughts and deeds there would be no reason for terrorism, wars, murders, .....

[Goldfinger]

Quote: from Moskitto on 11:51 pm on Nov. 26, 2002
hmmm, i just thought of the 4th most stupid idea of all time,

the nuclear powered car!!!!!!

do not ram the driver infront, New York City will regret it,

In the 50's, Ford was designing a car powered by an uranium driven nuclear reactor. But they decided the car would become too heavy and expensive, because of all the shielding. And besides, what if someone decided to pop the hood on the neighbor's new car and steal the engine?