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abbielives!
30th June 2008, 22:01
Communique from the Earth Liberation Front

Beltane, 1997
Welcome to the struggle of all species to be free.
We are the burning rage of this dying planet. The war of greed ravages the earth and species die out every day. ELF works to speed up the collapse of industry, to scare the rich, and to undermine the foundations of the state. We embrace social and deep ecology as a practical resistance movement. We have to show the enemy that we are serious about defending what is sacred. Together we have teeth and claws to match our dreams. Our greatest weapons are imagination and the ability to strike when least expected.
Since 1992, a series of earth nights and halloween smashes has mushroomed around the world. 1000's of bulldozers, powerlines, computer systems, buildings and valuable equipment have been composted. Many ELF actions have been censored to prevent our bravery from inciting others to take action.
We take inspiration from the Luddites, Levellers, Diggers, the Autonome squatter movement, ALF, the Zapatistas, and the little people -- those mischievous elves of lore. Authorities can't see us because they don't believe in elves. We are practically invisible. We have no command structure, no spokespersons, no office, just many small groups working separately, seeking vulnerable targets and parcticing our craft.
Many elves are moving to the Pacific Northwest and other sacred areas. Some elves will leave surprises as they go. Find your family! And let's dance as we make ruins of the corporate money system.
Form 'stormy night' action groups, encourage friends you trust. A tight community of love is a poweful force.
Recon -- check out targets that fit your plan and go over what you will do
Attack --
powerlines: cut supporting cables, unbolt towers, and base supports, saw wooden poles.
transformers: shoot out, bonfires, throw metal chains on top, or blow them up.
computers: smash, burn or flood buildings.
Please copy and improve for local use.
http://www.mcn.org/e/iii/elf.htm

piet11111
30th June 2008, 22:19
very few things piss me off more then the ELF luddites.

technology is not your enemy if anything more advanced technology would allow us to clean up this planet and to preserve our bio-diversity.
actually the only reason we are still able to breathe is because our technology advanced beyond the filth of the first industrial revolution.

ÑóẊîöʼn
30th June 2008, 23:09
Demolishing this rubbish because I feel like it.


Beltane, 1997
Welcome to the struggle of all species to be free.

The only species that struggles to be "free" is humanity.

Other animals have no concept of freedom.


We are the burning rage of this dying planet.No, you're a bunch of middle class tosspots who watched too many Disney movies as kids.


The war of greed ravages the earth and species die out every day.I saw a magpie today.


ELF works to speed up the collapse of industry, to scare the rich, and to undermine the foundations of the state.You're doing a shit job, to say the least.


We embrace social and deep ecology as a practical resistance movement.Is that why you're a bunch of nutballs?


We have to show the enemy that we are serious about defending what is sacred.The fundamentally irrational nature of biocentrist movements is revealed for all to see.


Together we have teeth and claws to match our dreams. Our greatest weapons are imagination and the ability to strike when least expected.If those are your greatest weapons then I'd hate to see your worst weapons. :lol:


Since 1992, a series of earth nights and halloween smashes has mushroomed around the world. 1000's of bulldozers, powerlines, computer systems, buildings and valuable equipment have been composted.They have this wonderful thing called "insurance". You might have heard of it.


Many ELF actions have been censored to prevent our bravery from inciting others to take action.No, most people have heard of your lot and your actions and rightly consider you nutballs.


We take inspiration from the Luddites, Levellers, Diggers, the Autonome squatter movement, ALF, the Zapatistas, and the little people -- those mischievous elves of lore.Name-dropping and superstitious ignorance in one sentence, I am impressed!


Authorities can't see us because they don't believe in elves.With rhetoric like this, who needs enemies?


We are practically invisible. We have no command structure, no spokespersons, no office, just many small groups working separately, seeking vulnerable targets and parcticing our craft.Which basically allows any headcase to do something "in the name of ELF"


Many elves are moving to the Pacific Northwest and other sacred areas. Some elves will leave surprises as they go. Find your family! And let's dance as we make ruins of the corporate money system.No thanks, I'll try class struggle instead.


Form 'stormy night' action groups, encourage friends you trust. A tight community of love is a poweful force.
Recon -- check out targets that fit your plan and go over what you will do
Attack --
powerlines: cut supporting cables, unbolt towers, and base supports, saw wooden poles.
transformers: shoot out, bonfires, throw metal chains on top, or blow them up.
computers: smash, burn or flood buildings.If I catch anyone doing that shit, I'll kick their ass solely for being such a gigantic fucking idiot.

Seriously abbielives, why do you post this ELF shite?

Vanguard1917
1st July 2008, 18:31
Demolishing this rubbish because I feel like it.

:thumbup1:


We take inspiration from the Luddites

And yet you don't really have anything in common with them. The Luddites were radicals among the masses who fought for their living standards and human dignity. In contrast, you misanthropic eco-worriers hate mass prosperity and spend your time degrading humanity.

Environmentalists: don't label them Luddites (http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/4299/)

chimx
1st July 2008, 20:20
Is that why you're a bunch of nutballs

What is it about social ecology that makes a person a nutball. An actual critique would be far more interesting than open flaming. I suspect you choose not to give one because you're ignorant as to what social ecology actually entails. I await to be proven wrong.

piet11111
1st July 2008, 20:25
the thing about nutballs is that it is always a waste of time and energy to argue with them since reason has no effect on them.

hopefully a healthy dose of flaming will chase some ELF types away but i doubt it.

ÑóẊîöʼn
1st July 2008, 20:40
What is it about social ecology that makes a person a nutball. An actual critique would be far more interesting than open flaming. I suspect you choose not to give one because you're ignorant as to what social ecology actually entails. I await to be proven wrong.

So claiming that animals struggle for freedom in a manner comparable to humans and that nature is "sacred" is somehow supposed to be anything but nutty? Giving such fruitcakery a fancy name like "social ecology" does nothing to enhance it's validity.

Maybe if you paid attention to what they actually say and do you wouldn't be able to take them so seriously.

BurnTheOliveTree
1st July 2008, 20:47
They are grotesque. Cutting the powerlines, yeah, that achieves loads. :confused:

-Alex

MarxSchmarx
1st July 2008, 20:57
What is it about social ecology that makes a person a nutball. An actual critique would be far more interesting than open flaming. I suspect you choose not to give one because you're ignorant as to what social ecology actually entails. I await to be proven wrong.

I always thought "social ecology" referred to the view that environmental problems are rooted in socioeconomic problems. :confused: Famous "social ecologists" like Bookchin had nothing but utter contempt for the anti-human environmental radicals like the ELF. If anything, from a social ecology point of view, the ELF is putting the cart before the horse.
e.g.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ecology

At least this was my impression of how the phrase has historically been used. I guess things have changed and I am getting old...:D

ÑóẊîöʼn
1st July 2008, 21:13
I always thought "social ecology" referred to the view that environmental problems are rooted in socioeconomic problems. :confused: Famous "social ecologists" like Bookchin had nothing but utter contempt for the anti-human environmental radicals like the ELF. If anything, from a social ecology point of view, the ELF is putting the cart before the horse.
e.g.,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_ecology

At least this was my impression of how the phrase has historically been used. I guess things have changed and I am getting old...:D

Actually, social ecology as described by Wikipedia actually sounds fairly reasonable.

Luís Henrique
1st July 2008, 21:55
Actually, social ecology as described by Wikipedia actually sounds fairly reasonable.

And, regardless of its reasonability or lack thereof, totally unrelated to ELF.

Luís Henrique

chimx
2nd July 2008, 07:19
And, regardless of its reasonability or lack thereof, totally unrelated to ELF.

Luís Henrique

I disagree. Some elf actions seek to emphasize the social nature of they attack

Nothing Human Is Alien
2nd July 2008, 12:22
Why isn't this in OI?

Dimentio
2nd July 2008, 17:06
What is it about social ecology that makes a person a nutball. An actual critique would be far more interesting than open flaming. I suspect you choose not to give one because you're ignorant as to what social ecology actually entails. I await to be proven wrong.

ELF does deserve as much credit as CRAP/CRIME...

Publius
2nd July 2008, 17:40
So "elves" is the preferred term nowadays?

Jazzratt
2nd July 2008, 18:08
powerlines: cut supporting cables, unbolt towers, and base supports, saw wooden poles.

I hope you freaks electrocute yourselves. :thumbup1:

RedAnarchist
2nd July 2008, 18:13
Any action which hurts the workers more than it hurts the rich or powerful is not a leftist action.

Led Zeppelin
2nd July 2008, 18:18
Douchebags don't cut my power lines, I want the light to be on at night.

Bud Struggle
2nd July 2008, 18:47
Commies and Cappies UNITED...at least on this one. :)

Of course you are bucking a MAJOR Liberal trend. It isolates you from the masses, I'd be careful if you want to market yourself for the Revolution.

Just saying--you need to do better marketing if you want to get anywhere.

RedAnarchist
2nd July 2008, 18:48
Commies and Cappies UNITED...at least on this one. :)

And the Earth explodes! :D

Red October
2nd July 2008, 19:44
Douchebags don't cut my power lines, I want the light to be on at night.

Agreed. No electricity means no internets and we can't have t3h revolution without internets.

BurnTheOliveTree
2nd July 2008, 19:56
Commies and Cappies UNITED...at least on this one. http://www.revleft.com/vb/communique-earth-liberation-p1185503/revleft/smilies/001_smile.gif

Of course you are bucking a MAJOR Liberal trend. It isolates you from the masses, I'd be careful if you want to market yourself for the Revolution.

Just saying--you need to do better marketing if you want to get anywhere.


Meh, it's better to be right than popular.

-Alex

534634634265
2nd July 2008, 20:06
all you need is a strongman and you can make what you think is right into whats popular.

Dros
2nd July 2008, 20:10
Noxion is WIN!.


Why the fuck does the ELF still exist?

I also love that their acronym spells out elf! Whenever I hear about the ELF I just think of a bunch of little people with pointy ears dressed like Robin Hood chopping at telephone poles with little axes. :lol::lol::lol:

Pirate turtle the 11th
2nd July 2008, 20:57
Noxion is WIN!.


Why the fuck does the ELF still exist?

I also love that their acronym spells out elf! Whenever I hear about the ELF I just think of a bunch of little people with pointy ears dressed like Robin Hood chopping at telephone poles with little axes. :lol::lol::lol:

oh i think of fetish porn when I here of Elves.

But that could be because i should be in a home.

Dimentio
2nd July 2008, 21:37
Commies and Cappies UNITED...at least on this one. :)

Of course you are bucking a MAJOR Liberal trend. It isolates you from the masses, I'd be careful if you want to market yourself for the Revolution.

Just saying--you need to do better marketing if you want to get anywhere.

Well, here in my city, if you aren't an animal rights activist, you are basically not welcome in the autonomous left...

Bud Struggle
2nd July 2008, 22:59
Well, here in my city, if you aren't an animal rights activist, you are basically not welcome in the autonomous left...

Freedom of all peoples of the world people=freedom of kittens. Nice. :cool:

Dimentio
2nd July 2008, 23:01
Freedom of all peoples of the world people=freedom of kittens. Nice. :cool:

Rather: Animals are cute and have wet noses. Death to all fur-farmers... YAAARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!

534634634265
3rd July 2008, 21:16
you should bring them a rabid possum and tell them you found this "cat" wandering along the road.:rolleyes:
surely it will bear on their big furry hearts to take it into their homes and "save" it.:laugh:

Ultra-Violence
3rd July 2008, 23:09
:mad:Fucken Stupid Ass Groups like the ELF the fucking stupid ass hell ALF Make Me fucking wanna kick some rich kids ass how fuckng offenisive and stupid are these kids this makes me sometimes not want to not even be a fucking leftist really and they fucking comparing themselves to the Zapatistas?GTFO THE PLANET! This people is what passes of as "revolutionary" here in Amerika! no Joke I seriosly need to leave this country ASAP!

mykittyhasaboner
4th July 2008, 00:41
We embrace social and deep ecology as a practical resistance movement
thanks for associating a perfectly rational idea, with the complete opposite...:cursing:

fucking morons.

Plagueround
4th July 2008, 00:50
My favorite part of the ALF/ELF is when they post pictures of themselves in "raid gear" complete with ski masks, holding baby lambs and cuddling them. :laugh:

534634634265
4th July 2008, 02:40
:mad:Fucken Stupid Ass Groups like the ELF the fucking stupid ass hell ALF Make Me fucking wanna kick some rich kids ass how fuckng offenisive and stupid are these kids this makes me sometimes not want to not even be a fucking leftist really and they fucking comparing themselves to the Zapatistas?GTFO THE PLANET! This people is what passes of as "revolutionary" here in Amerika! no Joke I seriosly need to leave this country ASAP!
jesus christ!! did you type that on a sidekick or something?
either you're so raging mad you couldn't type or your a twelve year old, who still couldn't type..
why not just let them have their little fun, and when they eventually get arrested doing the dumb things that make them famous we can all laugh together?

Ultra-Violence
4th July 2008, 16:14
No i was that mad, and no cuase its not funnny i will not laugh(ski mask and lambs?:laugh:)

Dros
4th July 2008, 21:51
GTFO THE PLANET!

YES! I so agree!
:D:D:D:laugh::laugh::laugh::lol::lol::lol:

bcbm
5th July 2008, 00:48
The destruction of power lines has been an essential part of some class based struggles. The Bolt Weevils come to mind.

Bilan
5th July 2008, 01:41
The lot of you are so childish.

534634634265
5th July 2008, 07:23
The lot of you are so childish.

in the words of a zombie jew "judge not, lest ye be judged"

Pirate turtle the 11th
5th July 2008, 13:52
No i was that mad, and no cuase its not funnny i will not laugh(ski mask and lambs?:laugh:)

Reminds me of the pictures at
http://www.animalliberationfront.com/

Honggweilo
6th July 2008, 14:12
ELF does deserve as much credit as CRAP/CRIME...
dont forget KLOTE!

534634634265
6th July 2008, 14:55
RedTsar, i must inform you the person whose name yours so closely resembles was someone who i held in high esteem. if you chose that name intentionally, then be aware that you have taken on quite a burden. Redstar2000 possessed a sharp intellect as well as a quick wit. this forum could do greatly with his return. does anyone know what happened? i heard about a stroke, then nothing more after that.

Bilan
6th July 2008, 14:59
in the words of a zombie jew "judge not, lest ye be judged"

In the words of someone who is quite fucking tired of the fucking bullshit on this forum, "Don't start."

534634634265
6th July 2008, 15:09
In the words of someone who is quite fucking tired of the fucking bullshit on this forum, "Don't start."
i'm not trying to start anything, but i feel its not a good sign if the moderator views the forum as childish. also, i don't feel its necessary for every thread to be of an absolutely serious nature. often, whats said in jest stings with truth. i didn't understand why you felt we were being childish, so i commented on it. my apologies if thats irritating to you.

Bilan
7th July 2008, 02:57
i'm not trying to start anything, but i feel its not a good sign if the moderator views the forum as childish. also, i don't feel its necessary for every thread to be of an absolutely serious nature. often, whats said in jest stings with truth. i didn't understand why you felt we were being childish, so i commented on it. my apologies if thats irritating to you.

I don't view the forum as childish. I view the responses in this thread as childish, and many other ones.
I'm pretty sick of this board and its bullshit, but I don't think everyone on it is childish.
You didn't personally irritate me. Apologies.

534634634265
7th July 2008, 03:48
is cool,
just can't piss off the mods.:D
why i remember this one fella, something R.A.F...
i used to frequent this site in the past but dude was such a oppressive cockass i quit. forgot me old info and decided it was time for a new go at it.
well, enough history.

Bakunist
7th July 2008, 04:42
The ELF and such only serve the purpose of stoking negative sentiments among vast sections of the population against serious resistance. Hey, I got an idea, let's all go spray-paint then take the sledge to a bunch of SUV's so the car companies can build more of them!

chimx
7th July 2008, 04:49
The ELF and such only serve the purpose of stoking negative sentiments among vast sections of the population against serious resistance.

I've found the opposite actually. The ELF recently burnt down rich people condo development near where I live and it started a great conversation with some union workers about how rich people deserve what they dish out.

bcbm
7th July 2008, 16:49
What, the unwashed masses hate the rich and aren't adverse to violent or destructive acts against them? Careful chimx, you're going to upset people here with talk like that.

chimx
7th July 2008, 20:22
What, the unwashed masses hate the rich and aren't adverse to violent or destructive acts against them?

If the primary demographic here was anything but spoiled rich kids, they might realize that. :-X

Comrade Rage
8th July 2008, 22:09
I've found the opposite actually. The ELF recently burnt down rich people condo development near where I live and it started a great conversation with some union workers about how rich people deserve what they dish out.That's the only good thing that they've ever done. I don't mind property destruction aimed at the rich, or gentrification/suburbanization, however the stated goal of this nutburger group is to make everyone live in abject poverty and primitivism.

534634634265
8th July 2008, 22:14
the stated goal of this nutburger group is to make everyone live in abject poverty and primitivism.

can you show me where they say that? thats some crazy shit indeed my friend. i know that the ELF activity in my area consisted of destroying logging equipment, and petty vandalism. how dare they... wait how does that bother me?:D

Publius
8th July 2008, 22:19
can you show me where they say that? thats some crazy shit indeed my friend. i know that the ELF activity in my area consisted of destroying logging equipment, and petty vandalism. how dare they... wait how does that bother me?:D

How does vandalism bother you?

Well, it doesn't unless they vandalize your shit, but what kind of attitude is that? "Oh, they vandalized someone elses shit, so I don't give a fuck."

Asshole.

And destroying logging equipment is pointless. The logging company will just fix it, or buy replacement, which means all the accomplished was destroying several man-hours worth of equipment.

Tree-hugging grassfuckers.

ÑóẊîöʼn
8th July 2008, 22:21
I've found the opposite actually. The ELF recently burnt down rich people condo development near where I live and it started a great conversation with some union workers about how rich people deserve what they dish out.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It doesn't validate the ELF's goals or organisation.

534634634265
8th July 2008, 22:25
How does vandalism bother you?

Well, it doesn't unless they vandalize your shit, but what kind of attitude is that? "Oh, they vandalized someone elses shit, so I don't give a fuck."


oh, they vandalized some corporations shit, so i don't give a fuck.
Asshole indeed.



And destroying logging equipment is pointless. The logging company will just fix it, or buy replacement, which means all the accomplished was destroying several man-hours worth of equipment.


yeah, what good does it do to make it more expensive for some huge company to rape the land i both live on and enjoy? if anything, its a double good because it provides work for people making bulldozers and tractors while also fucking that logging company just a little.

pusher robot
8th July 2008, 22:44
yeah, what good does it do to make it more expensive for some huge company to rape the land i both live on and enjoy? if anything, its a double good because it provides work for people making bulldozers and tractors while also fucking that logging company just a little.

What good does it do? Destroying equipment simply decreases supply without doing anything about demand. Result: prices increase. Net impact: the companies do not pay for the vandalized equipment, the working Joe who wants to read the newspaper, wipe his ass, and build a deck pays for it. That'll show those evil logging companies!

Dimentio
8th July 2008, 22:50
What good does it do? Destroying equipment simply decreases supply without doing anything about demand. Result: prices increase. Net impact: the companies do not pay for the vandalized equipment, the working Joe who wants to read the newspaper, wipe his ass, and build a deck pays for it. That'll show those evil logging companies!

ELF are fucking insane, and luckily, more and more progressives see beyond their agenda.

Publius
9th July 2008, 02:21
oh, they vandalized some corporations shit, so i don't give a fuck.
Asshole indeed.

Just because it was "some corporations shit" doesn't mean they had any warrant, moral or otherwise, to destroy it.

I suspect (and hope) you'd feel differently if they broke into and vandalized your local hospital.

But that's just "some corporations shit" too, right?

Even if you suppose that all corporations are evil, destroying their shit does you no good, because YOU need that shit.

Do you live in a house with wood in it? Yes. Then you need wood. And thus if these dipshits destroy all the logging equipment, and we have no more wood, then we have no more shelter, and we all die.

So I do give a fuck, as I'd prefer not living in a fucking hole in the ground.



yeah, what good does it do to make it more expensive for some huge company to rape the land i both live on and enjoy?

None. It doesn't do anyone any good, because it's trivially easy for a massive logging firm to rebuy their equipment.

Tell me, how effective as this tactic? Did the logging company close up shop? Cease operations?

No, it just bought some new machines and kept right on logging. And even if it moved, it just did the same thing elsewhere, which is fine by me, because I like having lumber around to use when I need it, just like you do when you remove your head from ass and realize how essential building products are to everyday life, coupled with the fact that no else gives a shit about you being slightly inconvenienced by some people cutting down trees near you since the entire economy doesn't work for your pleasure.


if anything, its a double good because it provides work for people making bulldozers and tractors while also fucking that logging company just a little.

Broken Window Fallacy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

Publius
9th July 2008, 02:22
What good does it do? Destroying equipment simply decreases supply without doing anything about demand. Result: prices increase. Net impact: the companies do not pay for the vandalized equipment, the working Joe who wants to read the newspaper, wipe his ass, and build a deck pays for it. That'll show those evil logging companies!

Exactly.

The logging company isn't going to lose out on anything, it'll just raise the price of a 2x4 by a cent to pay for the trivial cost or replacing a few trucks.

Bud Struggle
9th July 2008, 02:26
oh, they vandalized some corporations shit, so i don't give a fuck.

You vandalizing corporate shit does YOU MORE HARM--as a person, as a human, than it could ever do harm to a corporation.

IcarusAngel
9th July 2008, 02:27
Generally, the environmental movement has a lot more traction than the communist movement. The environmental movement is huge, the communist movement is nil, or dying, even in some sacred places for the advancement of communism, such as academia.

The left could indeed become nothing more than an advancement of the species, which asks the following question: "How does my action affect the advance of humanity in nature (or perhaps "and nature"), does it have a positive or adverse effect?"

This is ecological leftism. The ELF and ALF are hooligans who think direct action is a way to achieve this goal. But such a means is not really democratic, and thus unjust.

IcarusAngel
9th July 2008, 02:31
You vandalizing corporate shit does YOU MORE HARM--as a person, as a human, than it could ever do harm to a corporation.

I disagree. Obviously, pirating software, and attacks on corporations in the past, brought to the forefront issues such as slavery, ownership of software, and so on.

The ELF are misguided, though. Already, 4 out of every 5 Americans say they are "in line" with the goals of the environmental movement. The ideological battle has already been won, and even more people would support environmentalism if it wasn't for the extremists.

I see the environmental movement as directly challenging capitalism, and, communism as well. Most of them are not communists and argue against communism (the Soviet Union was one of the worst polluters of all time).

Anyway, it's worth noting that Franklin, Jefferson, etc. had some nice things to say about the environment, and Jefferson even advocated a society comprised of Yeoman farmers and so on, people who owned their own land, and believed that industrialism threatened these values.

Bud Struggle
9th July 2008, 02:46
I disagree. Obviously, pirating software, and attacks on corporations in the past, brought to the forefront issues such as slavery, ownership of software, and so on.


No. mindless personal terrorism does little if nothing to advance humanity. I don't seen any objectified world view end in what CL has mentioned. Just some kids being nasty.

There's a difference.

IcarusAngel
9th July 2008, 02:48
I agree. What they outlined isn't terrorism, though. Terrorism is when you target civilians for a specific purpose, like the United States was doing in Nicaragua in the 1980s with its trained contra fighters.

Bud Struggle
9th July 2008, 02:54
I agree. What they outlined isn't terrorism, though. Terrorism is when you target civilians for a specific purpose, like the United States was doing in Nicaragua in the 1980s with its trained contra fighters.

Also agreed. You make a good point on the definition of terrorism.

534634634265
9th July 2008, 03:00
i don't think the ELF are much more than angsty children, but i do support the concept of acting against what you see as a flawed system. i make propaganda art, so im technically a "vandal" as well. i get everyones various points about the economics of what the ELF did; but it did make the loggers have to wait for new gear, which lead to weather delays, which led to me and my friends having enough time to go camping in the forest one more time before it got "selectively" cleared.

Bud Struggle
9th July 2008, 03:08
i make propaganda art, so im technically a "vandal" as well.

Sooooo. Let's see. Post some in the Reactionary chat section....

It's time we stop being all talk.

534634634265
9th July 2008, 03:14
Sooooo. Let's see. Post some in the Reactionary chat section....

It's time we stop being all talk.
if i had a camera i could show you some quite bad ass graffiti. or stencils.
you know sheppard fairey's "OBEY" stencils? i made one that says OBAMA, but with the same face. its gone over well. and i made one that says "STOP" so i can put it over all that Ron Paul foolishness. im about to go to school for graphic design so hopefully i can make a legitimate living doing this. i'll see if i can borrow a camera and post some of it.

Comrade Rage
11th July 2008, 01:41
Tree-hugging grassfuckers.

The Forest Isn't the only Wood we love! Sildenafil Citrate with No prescription required at Internet Pharmacy
I found this funny, since the ELF domain is up for sale, and is plastered with ads for generic Viagra.:laugh:


can you show me where they say that?Fortunately, most of the ELF website is gone now, but I can give you a wiki link to their ideology of anarcho-primitivism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism
If anyone has ever seen the move the Postman then they have seen ELF's model society.

chimx
11th July 2008, 03:20
That's the only good thing that they've ever done. I don't mind property destruction aimed at the rich, or gentrification/suburbanization, however the stated goal of this nutburger group is to make everyone live in abject poverty and primitivism.

Brick, this is simply incorrect. Some anarcho-primitivists may participate in ELF actions, in fact I can guarantee that, they are not the only ideology that carries out ELF actions. The communique that started this thread specifically mentioned Social Ecologists using ELF tactics as well. These people do NOT want people to live in poverty or see any kind of societal regression, but take a class-centric analysis of the problems facing the environment.

534634634265
11th July 2008, 04:29
Brick, this is simply incorrect. Some anarcho-primitivists may participate in ELF actions, in fact I can guarantee that, they are not the only ideology that carries out ELF actions. The communique that started this thread specifically mentioned Social Ecologists using ELF tactics as well. These people do NOT want people to live in poverty or see any kind of societal regression, but take a class-centric analysis of the problems facing the environment.
quoted for great truth