Types of racism

[Dr Mindbender]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_types_of_racism


Wow who knew there were so many flavours of racism-

Anti-Arabism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism)
Anti-Semitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism) and ( New anti-Semitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_anti-Semitism). this one is right wing spin dressed up anti-semitism)
Apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Africa_in_the_apartheid_era)
Black supremacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy)
Caste system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste)
Colonialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism)
Colorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism)
Cultural genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide)
Ethnic cleansing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing)
Eurocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocentrism)
Genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)
Institutionalized Racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutionalized_Racism)
Interracial fetish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_fetish)
Islamophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia)
Model Minority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Minority)
Nazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) (National Socialism)
Racial purity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_purity)
Racial segregation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation)
Redlining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining)
Reverse discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination) or reverse racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism)
Scientific racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism)
State racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_racism)
Systemic racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_racism)
White flight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight)
White man's burden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_man%27s_burden)
White privilege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege)
White supremacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy)
Yellow peril (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_peril)
Zionism and racism allegations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_and_racism_allegations)
Anti-Arabism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism)
Anti-Semitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Semitism) and New anti-Semitism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_anti-Semitism).
Apartheid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_South_Africa_in_the_apartheid_era)
Black supremacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy)
Caste system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste)
Colonialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonialism)
Colorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism)
Cultural genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide)
Ethnic cleansing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing)
Eurocentrism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurocentrism)
Genocide (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide)
Institutionalized Racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutionalized_Racism)
Interracial fetish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_fetish)
Islamophobia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia)
Model Minority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Minority)
Nazism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism) (National Socialism)
Racial purity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_purity)
Racial segregation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_segregation)
Redlining (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redlining)
Reverse discrimination (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_discrimination) or reverse racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_racism)
Scientific racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism)
State racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_racism)
Systemic racism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemic_racism)
White flight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight)
White man's burden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_man%27s_burden)
White privilege (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege)
White supremacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacy)
Yellow peril (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_peril)
Zionism and racism allegations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_and_racism_allegations)

[Holden Caulfield]

we do not discriminate, all rascists are equally as much ****s as the others,

[Pirate Utopian]

I dont think an interracial fetish really constutes as racism.

[Bandito]

Interracial fetish?
Ok....

[Dr Mindbender]

I dont think an interracial fetish really constutes as racism.

according to wiki it does.

Wow... maybe we really do need that leftist response :blink:

[spartan]

according to wiki it does.

Well if wiki says it it has to be true!

Seriously though we should have a debate on whether racial preferences when dating is racist or not.

[Mariner's Revenge]

Seriously though we should have a debate on whether racial preferences when dating is racist or not.
It can and can't be, depending on intentions and situations.

I personally would not always consider it racist if you prefer girls from one ethnicity over another because this would fall into some of Freudian's theories of sexuality. The idea that we as humans are, while repressed, sexually attracted to one's mother or father and we find groups that we see more often more desirable are most likely true and have an effect on our sexual desires. For the attraction to one's mother theory, that will generalized. If your mother or father shows certain traits that you find attractive, members from any almost every ethnic group can show that trait, it is just that you will find it more often in some ethnic group than others, usually one's own. The other idea is just that if you are a suburban kid who lives with just white people, you will really only see white people and have a preference this way.

Social beauty standards can be considered racist but for the individual I wouldn't because we are all victimized by its power.

The intention I would consider racist is the idea of having short term relations with guys or girls of other ethnicities while having long term with guys or girls of the same ethnicity. From a white man's perspective, having a Middle Eastern of African girl would be sometimes considered sexually exotic but a true relationship would usually be looked down upon by society so many prefer white women when it comes to long termed relationships. Individuals are also victimized by this so I guess it really comes down how consciously you make that decision. As a precaution, I would not mix this with culture, only physical ethnicity. I personally will probably not marry outside my culture because after having a roommate from a culture very different than mine, I find that it will not work well even with the best of intentions. If two are from the same culture, ethnicity should not matter.

[Lector Malibu]

Racism is Racism. It really does not matter what it is called.

[Socialist18]

What bothers me is we always see in the news headlines "white man attacks black immigrant" or something similar but we rarely see "white man attacked by black immigrant".
I've personally been victim to racism just because I'm white. Racism is racism and it shouldn't matter what color the people involved are.It seems to me a double standard.

[Mujer Libre]

What bothers me is we always see in the news headlines "white man attacks black immigrant" or something similar but we rarely see "white man attacked by black immigrant".
I've personally been victim to racism just because I'm white. Racism is racism and it shouldn't matter what color the people involved are.It seems to me a double standard.
Um.... actually it's NOT a double standard. While you may have been "victimised" because you were white, you will never be subjected to the structural racism that affects every aspect of a Black person's life.

What you described is a single incident which, while regrettable, is a drop in the ocean compared to the institutional racism that is rife in society. You will never be turned away from a rental property because of your colour. You won't look at the TV and wonder why there aren't more people like you on, or when there are why they're stereotypes. The cops won't ever stop you because of your race.

Edit: Also, where are you getting the 'PC media' line, the BNP? If anything it's definitely the other way around. The media ALWAYS makes a big deal about the race of a criminal if they happen to be a person of colour. Always. That is an extremely suspicious statement to make...

A definition of institutional racism (http://www.racismnoway.com.au/library/glossary/index.html#institutionalracism)

Peggy McIntosh on white privilege (http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/%7Emcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html)

Edit 2: I just realised you're from Australia, which makes your statement even MORE ridiculous, considering that this country is as white as a fucking sheet, and that the hegemony of racism is so alive and well that sometimes I feel that, as a woman of colour, I don't exist.

[Socialist18]

While I agree minority rights and equality have long way to go in most countries there is quite a bit of "against whites racism" in my country.
It doesn't necessarily come from immigrants either, some of our aboriginals, specifically in the city, are notoriously racist against us whites.

EDIT:I just noticed your in Australia too, I can see how,not being white, you haven't noticed the specific I'm talking about.
I'm not saying its a huge problem but it does exist and its more than just a "isolated incident"

[Mujer Libre]

While I agree minority rights and equality have long way to go in most countries there is quite a bit of "against whites racism" in my country.
No there is not. I live in "your country" and it really is your country. You being white people. White Australians dominate this country in the public sphere, economically and socially. Where is this mysterious anti-white racism? Is it in the "liberal media?" Is it in food-court multiculturalism?


our aboriginals, specifically in the city, are notoriously racist against us whites.
Sorry, WHAT? They're not "your aboriginals." Indigenous people in this country have EVERY right to feel resentful of white privilege and domination in this country, particularly considering the ongoing genocide, the theft of land, and bullshit like the territory intervention.

The fact that you consider negative Indigenous attitudes towards white people important enough to mention, but the attempted genocide of Aboriginal people (note the capital, and the fact that I didn't use the term "Aboriginals," or use a posessive) not worth a mention is not only disgusting, it's the same racist drivel I'd expect to hear from a Hansonite.

[Lector Malibu]

While I agree minority rights and equality have long way to go in most countries there is quite a bit of "against whites racism" in my country.
It doesn't necessarily come from immigrants either, some of our aboriginals, specifically in the city, are notoriously racist against us whites.

EDIT:I just noticed your in Australia too, I can see how,not being white, you haven't noticed the specific I'm talking about.
I'm not saying its a huge problem but it does exist and its more than just a "isolated incident"

Well thats pretty fucking arrogant that you would assume that a person of color would be blind to racism just because they are a person of color.

What did the Australian government do to the Aboriginals under the half caste system?

I get this feeling your trying to paint a picture here that the "white man" is being horribly oppressed.

Am I correct in that?

[Socialist18]

No there is not. I live in "your country" and it really is your country. You being white people. White Australians dominate this country in the public sphere, economically and socially. Where is this mysterious anti-white racism? Is it in the "liberal media?" Is it in food-court multiculturalism? The only reason it is a white country is because white people made it what is is today, they came here, dominated and formed it.

Wheres the white racism? I've been abused, followed and harassed in Adelaide train station numerous times by aboriginal youth. I was called a "fucking white ****" just for passing by a group of aboriginal men in Fremantle.My friend and his girlfriend was beaten and robed by some aboriginal youths.






Sorry, WHAT? They're not "your aboriginals." Indigenous people in this country have EVERY right to feel resentful of white privilege and domination in this country, particularly considering the ongoing genocide, the theft of land, and bullshit like the territory intervention.I didn't steal anything from them, I didn't do anything to any of them so why should I pay?





The fact that you consider negative Indigenous attitudes towards white people important enough to mention, but the attempted genocide of Aboriginal people (note the capital, and the fact that I didn't use the term "Aboriginals," or use a posessive) not worth a mention is not only disgusting, it's the same racist drivel I'd expect to hear from a Hansonite.I'm not a racist, I call it how I see it.

[Socialist18]

Well thats pretty fucking arrogant that you would assume that a person of color would be blind to racism just because they are a person of color. Your misunderstanding what I meant,I meant that she wouldn't be fully aware of white racism as she's not white, just as I wouldn't be aware to the extent as she is of black racism.


What did the Australian government do to the Aboriginals under the half caste system?That wasn't me or any of my family, my family are migrants to this country.


I get this feeling your trying to paint a picture here that the "white man" is being horribly oppressed.

Am I correct in that?No of course not,but there is a problem, it may not be as severe as the obverse but it exists, people seem to forget that it exists.

[Mujer Libre]

I was called a "fucking white ****" just for passing by a group of aboriginal men in Fremantle.My friend and his girlfriend was beaten and robed by some aboriginal youths.
The first case is an isolated incident. Did you even read the stuff I posted on white privilege? Read them and then see if you want to play the victim. And as for the second incident, it's a robbery, not a hate crime...


I didn't steal anything from them, I didn't do anything to any of them so why should I pay?
Again, white privilege. All of us here are benefiting from the dispossession of Aboriginal people. How is that so hard to understand? Even people in the fucking Labor Party understand that...

Here are some more sources on institutional racism in Australia. I suggest you read them before expecting us to feel sorry for you because you're white in a white settler colony.

Institutional racism in Australian healthcare (http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/180_10_170504/hen10112_fm.pdf)
A pdf about young migrants- see page 23 + (http://www.aracy.org.au/AM/Common/pdf/Topical%20Papers/YouthSettlement.pdf)
Understanding Where Aboriginal Kids Come From (http://montessorifoundation.org/articles/MCFCharlesDavidson9808.pdf)

Please put at least a smidge of thought into your next responses rather than just repeating the same tired one-liners.

[Socialist18]

The first case is an isolated incident. Did you even read the stuff I posted on white privilege? Read them and then see if you want to play the victim. And as for the second incident, it's a robbery, not a hate crime...Its not an isolated incident if it keeps happening is it.



Again, white privilege. All of us here are benefiting from the dispossession of Aboriginal people. How is that so hard to understand? Even people in the fucking Labor Party understand that...I understand that, I don't agree with whats going on in the N.T or other things that have happened to the aboriginal people but does that give some of them a free ticket to be racist?


Here are some more sources on institutional racism in Australia. I suggest you read them before expecting us to feel sorry for you because you're white in a white settler colony.I don't expect you to feel sorry but I also don't expect the truth to brushed under the rug either. I value the truth no matter what it is.


linksI'll check these out.


Please put at least a smidge of thought into your next responses rather than just repeating the same tired one-liners.I always put thought into my responses,maybe you just don't like what I have to say.

[rouchambeau]

White people have it tough; let me tell you, internets.

[Lector Malibu]

Your misunderstanding what I meant,I meant that she wouldn't be fully aware of white racism as she's not white, just as I wouldn't be aware to the extent as she is of black racism.

How do you know that? What are you basing that on? Most people who have experienced racism recognize racism.


That wasn't me or any of my family, my family are migrants to this country.Yes , but are you truly aware of the harm that done was and still continues exist because of that horribly racist system?


No of course not,but there is a problem, it may not be as severe as the obverse but it exists, people seem to forget that it exists.I disagree. People have not forgotten that racism exist That's along the lines of typical racist's myth that the whites are guilty of being white.

[Dean]

Wheres the white racism? I've been abused, followed and harassed in Adelaide train station numerous times by aboriginal youth. I was called a "fucking white ****" just for passing by a group of aboriginal men in Fremantle.My friend and his girlfriend was beaten and robed by some aboriginal youths.

No, that kind of behavior is not acceptable. But I think it is important to try to be understanding. Aboriginies must feel very oppressed, considering their history in Australia.

Do you believe that racism is more common against whites than minorities? I think you need to take a good look at your priorities.

In any case, I hope you enjoy your Snog concerts you lucky bastard! He's not even coming to the U.S.... but I don't blame him!

[Socialist18]

How do you know that? What are you basing that on? Most people who have experienced racism recognize racism. How could I possibly know how it is to be a black man and live a life of daily racist incidents? I agree racism IS racism, so long as its not white racism it seems.


Yes , but are you truly aware of the harm that done was and still continues exist because of that horribly racist system?Of course I am, I lived in the Northern territory for quite some time, I had numerous Aboriginal friends and I saw first hand some of the the effects of racism.


I disagree. People have not forgotten that racism exist That's along the lines of typical racist's myth that the whites are guilty of being white.Then why when white racism is brought up we have people reacting like in this thread? You would think I broke a golden rule by mentioning white racism exists. Have I broken a golden rule that I don't know about?
Is white racism not to be spoken of?

[spartan]

Then why when white racism is brought up we have people reacting like in this thread? You would think I broke a golden rule by mentioning white racism exists. Have I broken a golden rule that I don't know about?
Is white racism not to be spoken of?

I think it's just the way you worded it.

White racism very much does exist and it is equally as bad as racism against any other ethnicities and should be stopped.

However you should always keep in mind that alot of non-white people will sometimes be racist to white people because of the anger they feel at what has happened to them at the hands of a white privilege system.

That doesnt justify it but i feel that it does go a long way to explaining why alot of non-white people may come out with racist remarks against white people.

Plus when white people are racist it's usually because they want white privilege back, whereas when non-white people are racist it's usually a reactionary to the oppressive existence forced on them by a society that favours white people.

[Lector Malibu]

How could I possibly know how it is to be a black man and live a life of daily racist incidents? I agree racism IS racism, so long as its not white racism it seems.

Well why don't you start by trying to learn about minorities experiences and culture.

No racism is racism period. You're missing it. There is no division (like white and black) in racism it's the same thing.


Of course I am, I lived in the Northern territory for quite some time, I had numerous Aboriginal friends and I saw first hand some of the the effects of racism.So you should be able to understand why there is tension than.


Then why when white racism is brought up we have people reacting like in this thread? You would think I broke a golden rule by mentioning white racism exists. Have I broken a golden rule that I don't know about?
Is white racism not to be spoken of?Theres no such thing actually. Racism is racism ironically it's color blind..

What I'm saying is its all the same animal. I'm not saying that white people have not experienced racism.

[Socialist18]

I think it's just the way you worded it.

White racism very much does exist and it is equally as bad as racism against any other ethnicities and should be stopped.
Agreed.


However you should always keep in mind that alot of non-white people will sometimes be racist to white people because of the anger they feel at what has happened to them at the hands of a white privilege system.The same could be said of formerly white countries that now have a whole heap of other races living there,maybe the white feel anger towards them for moving to their country, and in fact they do, think Nationalists.


That doesnt justify it but i feel that it does go a long way to explaining why alot of non-white people may come out with racist remarks against white people.Same as my above statement, it may not justify the racism but it could go along way to explain the Nationalist standpoint.


Plus when white people are racist it's usually because they want white privilege back, whereas when non-white people are racist it's usually a reactionary to the oppressive existence forced on them by a society that favours white people.I agree.


I can't help but feel, through personal experience, that their is a double standard regarding white racism, there shouldn't be but I believe there is.

[Module]

How could I possibly know how it is to be a black man and live a life of daily racist incidents? I agree racism IS racism, so long as its not white racism it seems.
You're missing the point. Racism is racism is racism, but to leave it simply at that is just blatant ignorance of the experience of indigenous people, who have, as a race of people been systematically oppressed since the beginning of white settlement here. Racism is racism, but you've completely ignored the reasons, motives and manifestations of racism in Australia, towards different groups of people. You've suffered isolated incidents of assault by people who live in relative poverty compared to the rest of Australia, who have suffered things you can't even imagine - to even attempt to compare racism towards white people to that towards indigenous Australians is, truly, shockingly ignorant and insensitive.
You could equally even say that the poor who steal from the houses of the wealthy are being classist.
I don't really even know what else to say to you - you are being absurd!


Then why when white racism is brought up we have people reacting like in this thread? You would think I broke a golden rule by mentioning white racism exists. Have I broken a golden rule that I don't know about?
Is white racism not to be spoken of?White people, on a societal scale benefit from the oppression of ethnic minorities. You being beaten up and robbed in nothing compared to what indigenous Australians as a race of people will experience.
You have broken the golden rule of completely ignoring the privilege you experience as somebody who is white in Australia as opposed to somebody who is an indigenous Australian.
Hell, comparing racism towards white people to racism towards indigenous Australians is probably the worst comparison you could make. You have no idea what racism really is in Australia if you think you could do that.

[Socialist18]

And your missing the point that white racism is viewed as a lesser crime than black racism, it seems some even attempt to justify it.If racism is racism is racism then there should be no bias, it should all be viewed equally regardless of past incidents of any specific race.

[Mujer Libre]

Des hit it on the head. I can't keep letting this distract me from studying, but yeah- great post D. It's all a matter of perspective, and if you had any sense of perspective, you would NEVER make the comparison you did. (Referring to the OP here, not Des obviously)

To say that black-on-white racism is equivalent to the inverse is to basically fall for the liberal "colour-blind" fallacy, and ignores the structural, material and historical FACTS of institutional racism and how they have created a society that systematically favours white over Black in every single scenario.

[Socialist18]

It doesn't have to be about Indigenous Australians,It can be about any other minority. And I'm not just talking about institutional racism, I'm talking about individual acts of racism.


So you feel white on black or white on Asian racism is worse than Asian on white or black on white racism?

[Mujer Libre]

My last word on the matter.
a) white on Black racism is backed up by the hegemonic institutions in society
b) People of colour are far more likely to be the victims of racism, including racist violence, than white people. Don't try to pretend it's otherwise.

Your attempt to reduce this issue to the comparison of single events is ludicrous, and completely misses the point, the significance of racism in Australian society. you're attacking a complete strawman, and it's a favourite one of the right- i.e. that the left supports anti-white sentiment, and that "minorities" are just as racist as white people (while completely ignoring the systemic manifestations of racism).

[Socialist18]

Well, I asked a simple question and I'll ask it again.

Are individual acts of racism against a minority race worse then individual acts of racism against whites by a minority race?

Its a simple question and should have a simple answer without getting into institutional racism. I reduced it to individual acts as that is precisely what I have experienced, not institutional racism, and I want to know what you think of it.

[ifeelyou]

mujer libre, thanks for the critical and insightful posts :)

[Module]

Well, I asked a simple question and I'll ask it again.

Are individual acts of racism against a minority race worse then individual acts of racism against whites by a minority race?
Not if you're living in a vacuum.
But it just so happens that we're not, we're living in Australia, where racism against white people can only be individual instances, and racism towards indigenous Australians is experienced on a societal scale, and as said by ML, 'is backed up by the hegemonic institutions in society'.

Seriously, if you're truly a socialist you will be able to appreciate my example of the poor robbing from the rich in the last reply.
Is mugging all 'wrong'? Sure. Is a lower class person mugging an upper class person the same as the other way around? Hell no, it's not.
If you were discriminated against the way that indigenous Australians are no doubt you would feel anger towards those who, as a 'race' benefit from the oppression of your 'race'. If you lived in relative poverty no doubt you would have very different attitudes towards life, your society than if you didn't. You undergo a completely different socialisation process under a completely different environment.
How hard is this for you to appreciate?

[Socialist18]

Its not at all hard, I think I made my point clear and if people want to side step it thats fine.
I know what daily discrimination is like, as an openly bi-sexual, poor, lower class guy I experience it all the time. I can comprehend what your saying but I also like to make it clear that white racism is a problem, granted, it may not be a big problem like that which the Aboriginals face but its a problem nonetheless and should be recognized and accepted as such. Just because its the lesser of two evils doesn't make it okay.

I try my best to view every issue without bias or corrupt it with personal feelings, as much as personal experience allows, and when I see anti-white sentiment it naturally pisses me off as I have done my best to welcome minority races into my country and make them feel at home by treating them the same,if not better, as I would anyone else.

[Mariner's Revenge]

Racism is Racism. It really does not matter what it is called.
Yes, but racism has to be defined. Discrimination is not necessarily racism and prejudice is not necessarily racism.


I've personally been victim to racism just because I'm white. Racism is racism and it shouldn't matter what color the people involved are.It seems to me a double standard.
Were you subject to violent racism or violent discrimination? There is a difference and I'm guessing it is the second one. Racism is a social doctrine where a "race" will construct social laws or norms to benefit a certain racial group. An oppressed group with no power, Aboriginals in Australia for example, have no power to construct social laws or norms to benefit themselves so you cannot be a victim of racism, but violent discrimination. This is just semantics but it annoys me how often the term racism gets thrown around. Just look at the word, it ends in -ism. Now look at all the other definition of words that end in -ism.


Wheres the white racism? I've been abused, followed and harassed in Adelaide train station numerous times by aboriginal youth. I was called a "fucking white ****" just for passing by a group of aboriginal men in Fremantle.My friend and his girlfriend was beaten and robed by some aboriginal youths.First, I will say that I bet these aboriginal youth have faced much more discrimination and racism then you but fuck that, this is life. I have seen the same thing with Somali immigrants and whites in the United States. Every racial group gets attacked but whites fare the least out of every group hands down. I don't like this argument but I feel that I at least have to bring it up.

Saying this, I do not agree or justify their acts but looking at it from a larger perspective I can only say one thing. What the hell do you expect?


I didn't steal anything from them, I didn't do anything to any of them so why should I pay?Ah....this is exactly why racism is so complicated. Let me give you an example.

Lets say my family and your family want a piece of property to build a house on and farm but Mujer Libre's family is already living there. To solve this problem, my father, without any of our consent, kill Mujer Libre's parents and enslave Mujer Libre and his/her siblings. Now, you have no blood on your hands, your family have no blood on their hands, but you still benefit from what my father did. So it really makes no difference because you benefit the same as everyone else in mine and your family because of an act by one person. The same goes the other way. Mujer Libre did nothing wrong but be born in the wrong place and he has to live with the consequences of that for, once again, doing nothing. I would be pissed off at both you and I too if I were him.

Yes you did do nothing but you benefit from people that did do something. The aboriginals didn't do anything but feel the consequences of people that did something so you can benefit.


Is white racism not to be spoken of?White racism does not exist except maybe in the inner city or prisons. Also, you can avoid being discriminated against by moving to a white neighborhood. No other racial group can say that because their whole community suffers from it.


I know what daily discrimination is like, as an openly bi-sexual, poor, lower class guy I experience it all the time. I can comprehend what your saying but I also like to make it clear that white racism is a problem, granted, it may not be a big problem like that which the Aboriginals face but its a problem nonetheless and should be recognized and accepted as such. Just because its the lesser of two evils doesn't make it okay.I respect this, besides the semantics part, but what I want to know is what you expect to do to get rid of this "white racism"? I see this as a very similar situation to what the United States and Israel are facing at the moment. Both countries had/have very oppressive foreign policies and are now facing the consequences of that. Are Israeli citizens that die from suicide bombers any less tragic than a Palestinian child that is used as a body shield by a racist Israeli troop? No, but the Palestinians cannot solve the problem and neither can blacks in the United States or aboriginals in Australia, only Israel and whites can.

Though, even if Israel does stop its oppressive regime, it created a monster that will not go away and so did whites and their racist policies. Even if whites do everything right from now on, it will still take generations for society to heal from this bullshit doctrine.




Seriously, if you're truly a socialist you will be able to appreciate my example of the poor robbing from the rich in the last reply.
Is mugging all 'wrong'? Sure. Is a lower class person mugging an upper class person the same as the other way around? Hell no, it's not.
If you were discriminated against the way that indigenous Australians are no doubt you would feel anger towards those who, as a 'race' benefit from the oppression of your 'race'. If you lived in relative poverty no doubt you would have very different attitudes towards life, your society than if you didn't. You undergo a completely different socialisation process under a completely different environment.
How hard is this for you to appreciate?
Very good example.

[Socialist18]

By saying "what do you expect?" your justifying white racism.

I don't justify any racism and I hold those who take part in it responsible for it.

[Mariner's Revenge]

By saying "what do you expect?" your justifying white racism.

I don't justify any racism and I hold those who take part in it responsible for it.
How so? I can give many other similar examples and none of them justify any actions.

Lets take United States inner cities for example. When you place an oppressed poverty ridden racial group in a segregated enclosed area (the ghetto) and basically enforce a police state in those areas you can only say "what do you expect" when asked about the high crime rate. I do not justify crime at all but poverty, being socially and politically oppressed, and being placed in a police state all lead to crime.

For an individual being raised in those areas, I believe one can avoid falling deep in the rabbithole with life choices but to expect an entire population to do the same is idealistic at best.


Another example would be the terror attacks on the United States. I do not justify those attacks at all but I see what led these people to do this and can only say "what do you expect"? Just because you are oppressed doesn't give you a "right" to kill innocent people but you cannot expect anything different coming from an oppressive country. If someone oppresses me, there is a good chance I will fight back in one way or another and it is just that some take it to the extreme.


Another example would be Nazi Germany popping up. There is no way I justify their actions but when placed in the same situation as them, I can only say "what do you expect" when looking at how their regime came to be. There are many more examples.


So, when looking at your situation and many others just like it I can only say "what do you expect"? If a group has been racially oppressed for as long as you "invaders" have been there and put them in a half-caste system, the idea that they will not be happy with that and want to get some sense of power from harassing you is not far out there. Like all the other examples, I do not like it or justify it in any means but in situations like these you can not be surprised with the outcome.



Be held responsible? What would that be in your opinion? This situation is too fucked up for there to be any justice. We are all just victims here, just some get a much shorter end of the stick than others.