The Right - Ideologicaly

[El Che]

There is alot of talk about the left and the problems with the left on this site. In this post I`d like to opposite, taking a closer look at the right and what it stands for. I think I have a pretty good idea what the answer to those questions is but better than presenting my prespective would be to hear the one of those who position them selves of the political, ideological and philosophical right.

Its quite a subject no doubt, so I`ll start by asking:

What values and ideals does the right stand for?

Its clear that most of the identity of the right is affirmed in opposition to the left. Being aint-leftist is a common denominator and consequently an identity factor. But that isnt`t enough since there are many lefts none of which agree fully with each other. So what else is there?

[Kehoe]

The right represents conservatism and its chief value is monetary worth wherein a man is not esteemed for any sense of human ethic he may possess but for the revenue he generates and his contributions towards feeding the beast.Among the right are religious fundamentalists who instill this hunger for materialism by means of their God of mammon.Instinctively,man is interested in his own advantage,those claiming a desire to serve others are simply liars,and a religion or an ideology claiming not to be self-serving in the interests of those committed to it is likewise lying.Until the ultimate(socialist)man is brought about,each and every man are egoists.The task of socialists is to find a balanced egoism that will serve not only itself but all of humanity.As long as there are we and them theres little chance for us.A basic concept within socialism is the idea of uplifting the poor while pulling down the rich and thus creating a common middle class.In Buddhism one is warned against extremes and admonished to travel a middle path.Goldielocks didnt care for the porridge that was either too hot or too cold,and followers of the Tao believe that one must strive to achieve and maintain perfect balance.For many such reasons I prefer not to consider myself a leftist but rather one seeking a middle path of balance and equality.Both far right and far left governments seem to equally view men as mere beasts of burden.As for the solution to the many problems facing society I will say that any man claiming to have all the answers doesnt even know what the fucking question is.

[El Che]

Conservatism and "monetary worth". Anyone else?

[peaccenicked]

The right on this bb are generally paranoid individualists.
That is. They are a product of the cold war. Stalinism is equated with socialism. The first thing they do is set up straw dogs to knock down, once some of them see that the charge of stalinism is absurd as after a while they notice the difference between the authoritarians and the socialists on this bb, they try to prove the myth, generated by the cold war than freedom of the individual is incompatible with socialism.
They venture into criticising marx, they show how absurd their ideology really is. They cant stick it.

Their ideology is based on ignorance,prejudice and lies.

They can't see US imperialism and think that the US brings democracy to the world. They try to match the idea that the worlds most rich and powerful nation is also the most altruistic while they castigate self sacrifice.

Most of these ideologues are Uncle Sam's puppies. Bulldogs.

It is their stupid blindness that gives America a bad name.

[antieverything]

Well...most of the right-wingers here are pretty close to being what they call "classical liberals" meaning they not only believe in capitalism but also worship it. The majority of this religion revolves around a "God" known as "the market" taking care of all of those who work hard and punishing those who are lazy.

Its just as ridiculous as it sounds.

[El Che]

When it comes to the right wingers on this board, I think its plain that they, with few exceptions, come here under the impression that all "commies" are Stalinists. After a while they start to realise most of us aren`t really as bad as they make us out to be, some even start to lean more to the left here and there. Thats OK, live and learn, anyone who thinks he`s got it all figured out is a fool. I`m not afraid to say I´ve learned a few things from right wingers my self. Most of them, however, continue to believe in Capitalism. Why? I can`t really say, the truth (or something close to it) seems plain enough to me and its been explained over and over.

But the right isn`t only about Capitalism and that is exactly the point I was trying to get at. I think its interesting and meaningful that no right winger replied to my questions. Someone who is sure of his beliefs has no problem discussing them. That much is plain enough by the long history of this board alone.

Our positions on different issues, by which we are "classified" as rightists or leftists, are not soley decided by rational judgement. This depends on the individual of course and is not exclusive to the right or the left BUT if you take a closer look you see a big gap between the two, where rationality is concerned.

You don`t believe me?

Whats rational about conservatism? Why choose to "conserve" something simply because it already exists or existed in the past? Left and Right are concepts and realities anterior to Capitalism and the moral dilema of its legitimacy. What we consider left is that which seeks a better future, a progressive and positive force. The question IS NOT the value of the proposals of the left, the question is why fight to maintain the status quo instead of fighting to change them for the better. Where is the rational in that line of thought? There is none. And what of patriotism? How many atrocities have been commited in the name of that false God? Theres alot of talk concerning dangerous ideologies, well in Patriotism you find the most dangerous of them all. And yet people continue to adhere to these ideals, there is no point in appealing to their reason because reason is not their language. However, I would like to see how they would answer my objections. Maybe with some irrationalist mumbojumbo, if I press`em to it.

Take a step back from it all and try and see the big picture. On the one hand you have people who try change the world acording to their beliefs (not all the gliters is gold and not ever "leftist" is a leftist), they might stumble and fall, they might make mistakes and they do but they also push the world of the social forward. Theirs is everything that shines in our societies. On the other hand you have a dead wieght. Sometimes, by chance more often then not, that wieght inhibits negative "progress", but mostly it just helps the worst things our societies have ever seen come to being and endure.

[peaccenicked]

I hear you. It is nice to be nice. Leftiness is not purely subjective. It is about hitting the right note, not for enemies but for ourselves. That is the stuggle. There is much to be said for common sense, more to be said against it. At present it represents an acceptance of wage slavery, however one dead son in a foreign shore may change the world.

[Stormin Norman]

That is how crazy things have gotten. I am a centerist, but by todays standards I am considered to be a right wing wacko. When exactly did the standard move. Its kind of like the yard stick with an extra three inches. If the standard of measure is incorrect how is one to trust the measurement. Its just too bad that the National Institute of Standards and Technology does have a perfect specimen of a right or left winger sealed away somewhere to make sure that the standard stays precisely the same.