Victor
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17.11.2002 18:40:54
TO ALL
We should all go join Sibling in the forum. All of us, Andy, Dilara, Chris, Eito, Martin, Anticomunista, Constantin, all of us. We need to respect this site's administration. We can go from where we left off, nothing will be lost. I'm going right now !!!
sibling
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17.11.2002 17:54:46
To all
Please take this seriously, please honor the requests of the webmaster, let's continue our discussions at the forum. I just began a new thread at the forum where all people are welcome (incluiding you evil cappies).
For some reason, the stupid guestbook has rules about words over 60 characters, and that means that i can't type the URL for the thread that I hope will continue our discussions elsewhere.
Go to the forums and click on: Socialism vs. Capitalism
then enter a thread that says: guestbook
Victor
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17.11.2002 17:15:25
To All/Andy/Sibling
Consider this: What would the US do if they saw any country undergoing a Socialist revolution? Would they stand around and watch? NO!!!! Americans ask "If Communism is so great, why did the whole Communist bloc collapse?" I'll tell you why, because the US did not let them thrive. The US, as I've mentioned earlier, removed the threat of Communism in many countries by supporting right-wing dictatorships. The ones where they did not, became leftist or Communist. Eventually, these Communist nations, were battled aginst, put under embargos, or were threatened to be mutilated by atomic bombs. That is why the Communist bloc collapsed. If anyone tries to have their Socialist revolution, Ameriaca will destroy them instantly! A massive revolt would be the only way.
Viva El Che
sibling
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17.11.2002 17:06:07
To All:
If any of you have noticed, after you write a post, the following is said: Do not use this guest book as a forum.
that is exactly what we're doing, why don't we go to a forum, this misuse of the guestbook is ill advised.
sibling
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17.11.2002 17:02:30
To all on Vitor's Statement:To Andy and Sibling
People, carefully reade Victor's statement that has a header ---"To Andy and Sibling"--- wise words lie within that statement.
I salute the author.
Victor
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17.11.2002 16:55:11
To Deejay
Good point, there ARE proletarians in the US. It seems that no matter what you do, there will ALWAYS be a lower class and a higher cals in capitalism. Even after the US has exploited all the third-world and made them the first-world's slaves, there are still ghettos in America, what a failed system!! Capitalism will never work! ONE SOLUTION,REVOLUTION!!!
Appi
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17.11.2002 14:51:18
CHE LIVES
[email protected]
TITO
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17.11.2002 14:13:12
NACIJONALISTI PLATI CE TE ZA SVE KAD TAD!!!!SMRT ILI SFRJ!!!!!VIVA EL CHE I CHEEEEEE......
deejay
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17.11.2002 09:31:56
RISE & SHINEThe reason I am communist is because the American government has inslaved and raped, murdered, undereducated my people in this country. Brought drugs into my community. This "democracy" we call amerikkka is based on lies and MURDER. While democrats and republicans all work to support big business and their gain while they throw my people in prison as to say if we have no future. Someone wrote that their are no prolatrians in amerikkka visit the south side of chicago or any ghetto in amerikkka and you'll see true prolatrians. That is the problem with us as the LEFT, to fight imperialism in all of it's forms, we need to unite as one all around the world. Then the Revolution will not take 100 years to start. Congradulations to Brasil for getting someone in office that i hope will make a difference.ALL POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
Victor
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17.11.2002 07:23:52
To Andy
Hey Andy, I became a Communist beacuse my mother tought me the ideology of Communism. She tought me the achievements of the greats, Marx, Engels, Trotsky, Lenin, Castro, Che, etc. I saw what America/Capitalism/modern Imperialism indirectly did to my people, my country, and how it fucked up generations. Americans are too selfish to care about other nation's interests. Only their own. Their system is based on greed and the one who can best exploit the others for financial gain. You may say that it is natural to be driven by the desire for possesions, but at what cost? Are we going to let our "instincts" kill millions of people? The revolution will come when the abused, exploited, and oppressed proletarian class revolt against American despotism and harassment of my people!! That is why I am a Communist, in order to glorify the achievements of the great revolutionaries and to fight for freedom against the tapestry of blood-stained chains that is the American society.
Andy Ruff
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17.11.2002 06:56:59
to Victor and all,
You are right. I guess the root of all evil is the TV. hahah, it is only if misused by some fools who just sit there watching TV. Well, down to business. I would like you all to do me another favor by telling me and everyone here why you are a Communist, that goes to everyone not just Victor. oh, and in my last series of messages I said a few things that someone has said before, so I would just like to say "sorry for not acknoleging you when I said that. It was probably caused by me not remembering to, or me not having enough characters left to."
VIVE EL COMMUNISM!!!!
side note:its late now, so I'm going to bed. I'll see you all tomorrow.
Victor
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17.11.2002 06:36:42
To Andy & Sibling
The revolution will occur earlier than in 200-300 years. The oppessed masses will revolt peobably within the next 100 years. The poverty of which you speak has been witnessed by "sibling" and myself as we both have lived in Brazil. We all fight for change because the starvation and thirst and homelessness and lack of healthcare and lack of education is a fate that no human being deserves. We all deserve equal opportunity to succeed. Americans say that all Americans have equal opportunity and the rest of the world is not their problem. Well, because of their injust actions some foreign third-world child will suffer from the lack of nesecities. On another note: Not all Americans have the same opportunity. The wealthier families will continue having money and will continue running the earth while the rest of Americans THINK that they have equal opportunities while watching Friends on NBC. That's what the American political system does, it's a joke, to the world and themselves!
Andy Ruff
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17.11.2002 06:29:46
Continuation of last post, (last time)
ok, well as I said I was absorbed in Communism. I was driven by it. It was like a guiding light in my life. I wanted to free all these people. I began to see little tiny faults in American society. Like the censored media, the blatent lies the government told, and how most Americans sat "stoned" in front of their TVs. It shocked me more than anything I'd seen before. That, is why I am a Communist. To free those poor Latin Americans I saw. But believe you me, I will not stop there. Not until the world is freed from the blood stained shackles of Imperialism.
Side note: if you don't have the money to travel to a Latin America country, then just look at any commercial on TV that mentions Christians, children, and fund all in the same message. It depicts Latin America as if it were a trophey, displaying how they destroyed these children's futures. They make me sick.
VIVE EL COMMUNISM!!!!!
Andy Ruff
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17.11.2002 06:16:45
Continuation of last post,
about Honduras
It was much worse there. Almost everyone lived in these tiny little shacks made of a few sticks and whatever you find. I was so sad to see them live like that. I remember, my step-mother at the time turned to me in the tiny taxi cab and said, "you see these people, they are poor. We live much better because we live in America and have a better economy." I was shocked. Under my breath I said the only Spanish word that I knew, "la puta" which translates to whore. The children, they were the worst though. I was shocked because of them. They wore nothing but tattered rags. They were skinny with hunger. Their needed to taste freedom.
When I returned home we began a study of Russia in my history class. We talked for a day about Communism. Although not much was covered, the general idea sent across to me that it was evil. When I got home I immediately began my own study of Communism. I learned much, and was absorbed in it.
God, read my next post.
sibling
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17.11.2002 06:14:03
to Andy:
Well written,
Nothing can be predicted with perfect accuracy, but the only guesstimation that can be made is a prediction. It is highly unlikely that the revolution will take place in a few rapid turn of events within the next few years. The fascist American 'patriots' grossly outnumber the few communists around the globe. Those poor people you saw in central America, probably too ignorant to know the concept of communism, probably too deprived to know of a better life (what makes me sad, angry). The great trotsky stated many times, ~"The human race is far too corupt and underdeveloped to yet completly grasp the theory of communism". I highly agree, just because he died long ago, we have not yet evolved, it will take millions of years for complete evolution, but maybe before then.
Andy Ruff
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17.11.2002 05:59:10
Continuation of last post,
About when I saw the proletariat of Latin America with my own eyes.
I was on a cruise about 3 years ago this April. We were visiting Cazamel, Mexico & Honduras. As we went about the cities, I always saw the poor walking en masse around to apparantly nowhere in particular. In Cozumel, there was a beach roughly 5-6 miles out of town. I was only 12, but then I knew that there had to be a way to free these people. Well, back to the beach, allmost all of them were walking back and forth between the beach and the city. I don't know why, prolly to pass the time. It almost drove to tears to see these people living in such conditions while I lived like a prince. You could litteraly see it in thier eyes that they wanted liberation and a chance to live better. It was amazing. For those of you who have never seen such poor conditions, go to Honduras. It's so bad there, I couldn't bare to watch them live like they did.
Continued in next post.
Andy Ruff
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17.11.2002 05:46:58
TO sibling,
Well said. But you overlook one detail, a revolution takes place when it is meant to, not when some one predicts. No matter how much you say it will happen in 200-300 years, you cannot say that for sure. It will happen when us Commies, which is a title I think we shloud all bear with pride, will not wait for 200-300 years. We've lived under the facists long enough. We've all in some way witnessed the poverty caused by Captlism, if you haven't then go and see it. That is why we fight. We fight for them, those poor torchered souls. They are our inspiration. I respect your political views, but your just living the way you are because some child in Latin America starves and freezes in the cold of night. I've personaly witnessed this poverty myself, and its not pretty. In my next post I'll describe it because currently I've run out of characters, the count left is 46 at the end of this sentance that has been dragged out way too long. Umm, guess I'll end it now.
sibling
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17.11.2002 04:11:19
Revolution, America, Consider 250+ years
This is what pisses me off about capitalism, but keeps their citizens in a state of patriotism that is so intense, its unhealthy. they are always ready to give their lives for their country. as soon as this 'system' falls we'll have our revolution, but untill then (300+ years) you and I are enslaved members that are forced to feel guilty for not being able to save all those people that are subject to the accords of the 60s.
Brazil has recently aquired a new president that is very communist and wants nothing more than to increase their education levels and save his country from the misery it was sent into during the sixties, but he is locked into a position he cannot escape because of the american control over the world.
sibling
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17.11.2002 04:10:00
Revolution, America, Consider 250+ years
continuation:
You're probably asking yourself "why does China and all these other countries that keep capitalism going not just let it tumble?" Well as an answer, in the 60s, a few agreements were issued by the united states that lent (lent not gave) billions of american dollars, to these third world countries with corrupt governments in exchange for extinguishing funding to public schools. These agreements allowed for the large capitalist companies to thrive and keep capitalism moving forward and basking in their success. this holds all countries in a permanent state of debt to the US, that's why they have no need to end their production of goods from underprivaledged, undereducated deprived kids and workers earning few cents for months of endless grueling jobs.
sibling
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17.11.2002 04:09:19
Revolution, America, Consider 250+ years
honestly, some of you people thinking that the communist revolution will soon take place in the place that is the present center of all capitalism. If your beliefs lie there, I hate to burst people's thoughts, but the American way of government is loved by 99.9999999999% of their subjects and although I disagree and dislike it won't be overthrown for at least 200-300 years. This system of government, some call "the American way" or "Capitalism" leaves all the people living inside it (American citizens) believing that it is wonderful, but they don't know how all other governments (incluiding their own) keep many people creating goods to keep their wonderful "american way of life from tumbling". China for example, is a country that the United states refers to as "communist", then insults it for all its poor quality products and child labor. Little does this community know that they insult a nation that holds their's toghether.