Revolution and How to Do It

[trivas7]

Interesting little book by Finnish author Kai Murros published in 2001.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/aquilon/content.htm

[RevolutionaryKluffinator]

Quite interesting but, I must disagree with aspects of it.

I never bought into the whole "by any means" argument.

I think that there is a certain amount to which violence must be limited within a revolution. I'm not saying that it cannot be used for progress but, it must be limited.

Violence can, at times, alienate the proletariat and make conditions worse for them.

The revolutionary party cannot be some sort of armed minority or they will be swiftly crushed by federal forces. They must instead have the support proletariat.

As a side note: many of these ideas are outlined in Che Guevara's book Guerrilla Warfare which even includes a rule to the use of violence:
"Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."

[trivas7]

As a side note: many of these ideas are outlined in Che Guevara's book Guerrilla Warfare which even includes a rule to the use of violence:
"Where a government has come into power through some form of popular vote, fraudulent or not, and maintains at least an appearance of constitutional legality, the guerrilla outbreak cannot be promoted, since the possibilities of peaceful struggle have not yet been exhausted."
But Guevara didn't follow his own advice when he helped overthrow Baptista. By this criteria was there ever a successful revolution?

[RevolutionaryKluffinator]

I suppose that depends upon one's definition of revolution.

[Charliesoo]

But Guevara didn't follow his own advice when he helped overthrow Baptista. By this criteria was there ever a successful revolution?

Actually that is not true.

Batista took over the Cuban government through a military coup.

Only after pressure from leftist groups did he (Batista) hold an election. Though that election was a sham - as he was the only candidate.

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

Eh this guy is european far right. Why would we want to study his revolutionary theory? Clearly its not designed to free humanity, but to enslave it to a new master. His revolutionary theory is designed to help that enslavement along, there's no insights here except for how to bash the fash.

[nvm]

How to do a revolution
author:nvm

You build a strong organization under non-revolutionary conditions in the ideas of Marx-Lenin-Trotsky. In order to form a "bridge" to the mass of the workers and not be isolated from the working class you use entrism in a mass worker's party like the Labour PArty in Britain or the NDP in Canada. In revolutionary situation there is going to be a centist movement. The base is going to be moving to the left. So this independent organization which works inside the reformist mass party will bash the leadership which is reformist and get the majority of the workers on their side.
Then the workers are going to do mass general strikes, a need for workers councils(soviets) will arise, the workers will arm themselves for self-defenmce from the fascist bands and a section of the police and the army will ally with the people and then the workers will seize power and then there will be democratic control of the means of production and then we are gonna fucking behead the capitalists and the fascists.
The we are going to export the revolution in countries with similar objective conditions. Then capitalism will hit a crisis and we are going to amke revolutions in the whole world.
Thats it.

[Vendetta]

Eh this guy is european far right. Why would we want to study his revolutionary theory? Clearly its not designed to free humanity, but to enslave it to a new master. His revolutionary theory is designed to help that enslavement along, there's no insights here except for how to bash the fash.

You sure about that? That he's far-right, I mean.

[trivas7]

Eh this guy is european far right. Why would we want to study his revolutionary theory? Clearly its not designed to free humanity, but to enslave it to a new master. His revolutionary theory is designed to help that enslavement along, there's no insights here except for how to bash the fash.
I stand corrected -- reading what others say re him he does sound like a social fascist.

[Joe Hill's Ghost]

I stand corrected -- reading what others say re him he does sound like a social fascist.

Glad to help:) I thought the background image was the third positionist cross, so I did some sleuthing.

[Mala Tha Testa]

Glad to help:) I thought the background image was the third positionist cross, so I did some sleuthing.

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