This is horrible

[punisa]

Most of us discuss how fascism was stopped 50 years ago. But what is to be done when it's happening as soon as last week??

This was held recently on Croatia's main square in Zagreb and was organized by GOVERNMENT !
The singer/band is Thompson who is an icon and leading man for all the neo nazi population. The symbols in the video which show the letter "U" are Ustashi symbols used by Croatian fascist in WW2.

And BTW the flags you see are NOT Croatian, at least not of todays democratic republic of Croatia. Although similar with recognizable check board they are actually flags of the nazi state NDH (Hitler's satellite state - Independent state Croatia).

This is as disgraceful for us Croatian anti-fascist as a swastika would be for German comrades. I can not believe this is shown on TV, news etc and not being penalized in any way. so so sad.

1. Ustasha flag (emblem has no top signs)
2. todays Croatia flag (with regional emblems on top of big one)

1.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/17/Flag_of_Croatia_Ustasa.svg/125px-Flag_of_Croatia_Ustasa.svg.png

2.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Flag_of_Croatia.svg/125px-Flag_of_Croatia.svg.png

controversial video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=updBTyFxDvM

[Holden Caulfield]

true, perhaps ignorance is to blame rather than malice what channel was it on?

[punisa]

true, perhaps ignorance is to blame rather than malice what channel was it on?

this particular video is mixed, but Thompson usually shows at HRT (national television)

[Yehuda Stern]

I don't think anyone's confused. In Estonia they tore down a red army monument (not that I think that the red army was, in WWII, a workers' army, but that's beside the point) and set up an army for fascists who fought alongside the Waffen-SS. Things like this go on all the time in Eastern Europe.

The fact that these regimes are on such good terms with the US further highlight the hypocrisy in its democratic pretensts. The fact that they are on good terms with Israel shows what each revolutionary should know - that Zionism has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and that the two are always in league with each other.

[RevolutionaryKluffinator]

Well, there are still fascists everywhere. I grew up in a city where their were hordes of neo-Nazis.

But, I guess that's just the diversity of humanity.

Fascism is dying off so far as I'm concerned but, I don't honestly believe it can be destroyed completely.

[Charliesoo]

Absolutely disgusting.

I don't believe they are entirely ignorant of what those flags represent.

[dirtycommiebastard]

Well, there are still fascists everywhere. I grew up in a city where their were hordes of neo-Nazis.

But, I guess that's just the diversity of humanity.

Fascism is dying off so far as I'm concerned but, I don't honestly believe it can be destroyed completely.

I think its very important to understand the difference between actual fascism and neo-nazis who have fetishes for nazism and who create personality cults around people like Hitler. I think in the thread in Study Groups about Fascism, Jacob Richter claimed that Trotsky is woefully out of date when it comes to analyzing fascism but to learn from the past is our greatest tool. Combating fascism has nothing to do with combating gangs of boneheads, though the boneheads may join the ranks of the fascists at one point.

Fascism is a reactionary force that has no defined ideology but is defined but its anti-working class nature. Fascism was the result of discontent in the middle classes or petit-bourgeoisie in Germany and was expressed through the rise to power of the National Socialists who actually did not have their interests in mind. Understanding how and why fascism came to power in Germany is an entirely different issue than neo-'nazis' who have little to no understanding understanding themselves of the class dynamic in Germany at the time that lead to the rise to power of Hitler. They just get off on the image of Nazism.

The fact is. Fascism is not inherently racist, or anti-semitic but requires these types of things to use as scapegoats to consolidate its power. The neo-nazis of today just believe that this idea of white supremacy and Aryan purity was the purpose of Hitlers Reich.

I don't consider neo-nazis to be fascists because there is no reactionary fascist force right now. They are just social-trash.

The truth is,if a fascist movement were to rise up and act, it would probably reject these white supremacists as to not ruin their image, or use them like pawns just as Hitler and the Nazis used the lumpenproletariat, thugs, mercenaries, and disgruntled petit-bourgeois in the ranks of the SA, only to purge them afterward.

[RevolutionaryKluffinator]

Wait a second. I was mentioning that just to say that the of embrace of ultra-right wing ideals, whether it be fascism or neo-nazism, exists either way.

Fascism, neo-Nazism, the sorts of ideologies that we are so strongly opposed to are not just limited to Croatia.

Again, I mentioned it as a connection, not as something to be dissected and analyzed like it was some form of crucial theory. I understand the differences between Nazism and fascism. But, I think that this was applicable for the sake of saying, again, it is not something limited to Croatia. The use of the Ustashi symbol that is being spoken of iis similar the use of Swastikas that I would see used where I grew up.

[dirtycommiebastard]

The use of the Ustashi symbol that is being spoken of iis similar the use of Swastikas that I would see used where I grew up.

I understand. The point is, whether they use the Ustashi symbol, or neo-nazis use the swastika, it does not actually represent fascism existing at the moment but a group of ideological fetishists.

Perhaps another comrade could explain it better than I.

[nvm]

I understand. The point is, whether they use the Ustashi symbol, or neo-nazis use the swastika, it does not actually represent fascism existing at the moment but a group of ideological fetishists.

Perhaps another comrade could explain it better than I.

I totaly agree with dirtycommiebastard. I think this was an excellent explanation . So no need to elaborate.

[cyu]

The wealthy class doesn't really have any ideology besides that of trying to stay in power. They'll fund any ideology that keeps them in power - the details don't really matter. If it takes fascism, then it will be fascism. If they see anarcho-capitalism as more popular, then it will be anarcho-capitalism.

They're the ones who fund the think tanks and own the media - all the "true believers" of the ideologies they come up with are just their pawns. Even if fascism is one day as discredited as the divine right of kings, as long as capitalism exists, then the wealthy will just find some other ideology to grab on to.