Communism vs. Capitalism - any discussion regarding Che & Co

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Hello, I believe that more can be learned on the subject of Che and Communism in general if we can just exchange some our ideas regarding Communism. Ideas coming from Communists as well as Cappies are welcome.

[Wenty]

Che's a marxist legend, communism has failed due to the innate greed of men. Communism works in doctrine but because of china and russia, the word has become associated with evil. Oh, the ignorance of many, it works it works! Its to perfect, it relies too much on the honesty of society, it fails because of this!!

(Edited by Comrade Wenty at 10:33 pm on Nov. 12, 2002)

[Jaha]

whenever people volunteer, whenever people share, whenever people fricking care, it proves that communism has a fighting chance.

capitalism will die at its own hands or communism will suffocate it, but either way, its days are numbered.

[Wenty]

i wouldn't underestimate capitialism that muc, its proven to be resilient + its not wholly bad.

[trebboR]

Communism does work Wenty. Just look at it this way. We all live in a communist world. Some one would "invent" capitalism. The commies would offcourse ciritces it. It wil never work because people will not work when they are forced too, beacause if you don't work, no money and you die. And people will noth allow other people to be above them. People will not let other people take advantage of them. Capitalism will destroy the nature. Etc., etc. Both system can be criticed and said about that they don't work. But capitalism does work. So I believe communism will too. It will just take time for the humans to get used to it. And you never hear me say that communism is perfect. I don't belive in utopia. I just believe that communism will be better then capitalism. And it will save the world, the grwoing productions of capitalism, all the factories, all the things that are produced for nothing will destroy our nature and with that, mankind too. If it goes on like this, mankind will not see the year 2500. Then we already destroyed the world.
So the conclusion is:
Both communism and capitalism can be said about that they only work in doctrine, but that ain't true.

(Edited by trebboR at 9:32 pm on Nov. 13, 2002)

[Jaha]

comrade wenty, capitalism is a facade, and facades cannot last forever. karl marx even said that the downfall of capitalism was inevitable.

feudalism was resilient, but where has it gone? it no longer is what it was.

[Wenty]

feudalism died off with the start of the industrial revolution.
My point about communism working in doctrine still stands and i believe it, i was confused about the last sentence trebboR, it didn't make much sense to me...

[Iepilei]

communism has never been into effect.

language people - language. socialism is what we're speaking of, and it's worked quite well. Russia failed because it was isolated, cut off, and allowed itself to fall behind. also I believe the managment was too centrally located - a more federal type system would be much more effective than a strong central government controlling such a large economy.

infact, it's almost what will have to happen.

as more and more people become educated in higher levels, more and more people are going to begin to demand change. no educated individual wants someone above them - not a king nor a capitalist. that's saying that that person is wiser and more learned than they are, an attack on your intellect.

the more educated people get, the more democracy they want.