Fighting Fascism

[Pogue]

At what point should we start physically fighting them to kick them off our streets and indeed planet? I understand that why the parties like the BNP appear to be 'respectable' and 'morderate', violence against them would only increase their suppport so at the moment I am focused on building an united socialist party to draw votes from them and oppose them with demonstrations and propoganda, but in what situations do comrades think violence should be used? I've got my opinions on this just want to hear others.

[Tower of Bebel]

Violence is never a (final) solution. Violence can be used as self-defence and it's a very-short-term goal in that case. Fascism has its roots in capitalism just like socialism (as a thought). Instead of only attacking the phenomenon you should tackle its roots.

Examples of violence that would have some possitive effect:


the masses that revolt will have to kick the arses of fascists who act like strike breakers;
you kick a fascist because he attacks or threatenes you;
you kick a fascist to remove him from a place where he doesn't belong (knowing that he might come back with more of his fellow sheep);
fascists are killed or executed just because revolutionaries cannot imprison anymore enemies of the working class (who threaten the revolution);
etc.


You see that these examples are not final solutions because the final solution is a socialist means of production (which you wont reach by killing, kicking or punishing fascists).

[Holden Caulfield]

physical imtimidation is to be met with such, fascists must not be allowed to have power in society in such a way people fear speaking out against them, or that there is no safe alternative for them,

if a fascists has attack or abused somebody racially they cannot complain if they themselves are attacked, we shall not turn the other cheek,

remember; an injury to one is an injury to all, and that evil triumphs when the good to not speak out

however an alternative must also be offered, in the case of antifa which only fights fascists the members must also participate in other (anarchist) groups

[Pia Fidelis]

Fascism has its roots in capitalism just like socialism

Neither have come from capitalism, unless you mean as a rebellion against such.

[Holden Caulfield]

Neither have come from capitalism, unless you mean as a rebellion against such.

both have, socialism is the next step onwards from capitalism, and in theory doesnt have to rebel against it but moves on from it,

fascism has its roots in bourgosie prejudices and has also been rooted into the working class by the hegemony of capitalists

[Tower of Bebel]

Neither have come from capitalism, unless you mean as a rebellion against such.

The constant struggle of workers against capital gives raise to both fascist and socialist ideas. Fascism as a reactionary force gains ground when both the working class and the bourgeoisie don't succeed at defeating each other, which forces many workers and petit-brougeois elements to look desperatly for alternatives; and it also forces the bourgeoisie to give power to undemocratic, barbaric and utmost reactionary forces to make sure order prevails and capital is not defeated.

You wont find fascism in feodal society because it is a product of capitalism (this also counts for socialism; yet you will find elements of both ideologies in older societies), and a bourgeois reaction.