THE MOST MISSUNDERSTOOD SYSTEM!!!!! - CAPITALISM!

[BrownEyedCubanita]

there is no social system which is still more misunderstood than laissez-faire capitalism. This ignorance has lead well-meaning people to believe that capitalism is the system of exploitation, monopoly, and class warfare.it is only an aspect of the premise that capitalism is based upon: individual rights. Capitalism is the only politico-economic system based on the doctrine of individual rights. This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. FOR MOR INFROMATION GOT TO:
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~shadab/

[SonofRage]

I agree with you to a certain extent. We don't really have capitalism in the United States. It's more like "Corporate Socialism."

[vox]

Hmmm. Interesting. BEC talks of "rights," but I only see cash, not "rights."

Do you have the "right" to live as a queen? If you've the money, yes. If not, no.

Do you have the "right" to pay people to do your work? If you've the cash, yes. If not, no.

Methodological individualism is not a philosophy, I think, but a consequence of certain social relations that exist in capitalist society. To make a consequence a doctrine is to fetishize it. To claim that the effect is itself the cause is foolishness.

Try again.

vox

[Iepilei]

eh, it's simply economic anarchy that allows any half-wit to have more power over anyone.

leave no power unchecked.

[Sol]

What 'capitalist' nation consistently protects human rights? Every nation American and British interests touch immediately suffers military, social, and economic domination and suppression.

It's grand the cappie philosophy respects individual rights. But in the real world capitalists don't give a fuck about any individual.

[LOIC]

"This means that capitalism recognizes that each and every person is the owner of his own life, and has the right to live his life in any manner he chooses as long as he does not violate the rights of others. "

And what about the way people are exploited by bosses?
What about the way big corporations exploit people(child too)in poor countries?
The only individual right they have is the right to shut up and obey.
They are not living their life as they want. They don't want to be slaves but they have no choice because this system is based on exploitation and it rules the whole world. It's like"obey or die!".
This system is totally fucked up.

(Edited by LOIC at 10:16 am on Nov. 9, 2002)

[Stormin Norman]

Ahh, how refreshing to have another soul that understands the underlying importance of humanity. Without us, I would not want to see the human condition. Browneyedcubanita, glad to have another friend in this fight against injustice and inhumanity. I get the feeling that we agree on many things.

Vox,

How ridiculous is it to ask if we have the right to live as queens? The level of ones social status is not a right. Well actually it is. You can be as low or as high as you let yourself. That's the beauty of freedom. Diversity in backgrounds and opinions caused by what you perceive as your greatest threat (freedom) is what makes life interesting. I would say that nobody has the right of a monarch. Those who wish to represent my interests in government must get there through the democratic process, not by birthright.

Your second question is equally ridiculous. First of all it assumes that all business owners are dumb enough to let the responsibility of running their business fall on the shoulders the people they hire. In my experience, the business owner is the hardest working person. This is a result of the vested interest they have in seeing their enterprise succeed. They pull the longest hours and are responsible for providing jobs to those they employ. The consumer also benefits from the products and services their hard work produces. Furthermore, in America anyone can arrive at a position to purchase labor if they work hard enough to overcome the obstacles imposed by the government. The fact that you could despise such a person speaks volumes about you.



The only individual right they have is the right to shut up and obey.
They are not living their life as they want. They don't want to be slaves but they have no choice because this system is based on exploitation and it rules the whole world. It's like"obey or die!".

LOIC,

How can you inaccurately attribute these characteristics to the free-market economy, yet totally miss them as a result of communism? You desire to be free from the inconvenience of having to earn your keep. Explain to me how this problem will be resolved under a communist system.

Yeah! Yeah! I know that everyone under communism will be free to do as they wish and food will magically fall into their mouths, provided by the maternalistic government. Who will produce that food?

[BrownEyedCubanita]

WOW good argument Stormin Norman... nice to see I got someone else on my side!! THANKS!

[Stormin Norman]

There are a few of us roaming this website.

[Goldfinger]

and we're here to take goooooooooooooood care of you all.........! :biggrin:

[Stormin Norman]

"and we're here to take goooooooooooooood care of you all"

Translation: We would love to kill the whole lot of you, and take care of you they way we use to do in the old days. That is by making you dig your own graves and then shooting you in the face.

[Goldfinger]

the way "we", the social democrats did it in the old days and still do today would be to give free healthcare to the poor and make sure no company can get a monopoly.

what I mean with taking care of, is challenging you with arguements every day, so you won't get bored!

[Stormin Norman]

"what I mean with taking care of, is challenging you with arguements every day, so you won't get bored!"

I know, I was being facisious.

[Iepilei]

...this is new?

[peaccenicked]

SN thinks poverty makes life more interesting. What a moron!

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 4:37 pm on Nov. 9, 2002
"and we're here to take goooooooooooooood care of you all"

Translation: We would love to kill the whole lot of you, and take care of you they way we use to do in the old days. That is by making you dig your own graves and then shooting you in the face.
Shut the fuck up. This is the typical asinine capitalist attitude taken to extremes. What a load of yarblockos

[Wenty]

this forum, nay this community is becoming yet another place where people trade insults. Its one thing to have a debate, quite another to just spout off random callous remarks.

[Sol]

Norman, no one here is saying that Mom and Pop shops and small businesses are a bad thing. My grand dad owns a machine shop and busts his hump six days a week to earn a honest, decent living, and I would die before I would let any so called 'revolution' take that from him.

BUT when you argue that global capitalism is a good thing, you're arguing on nothing but theory. Look at the nations that our media hails as successes: Brazil, Chile, etc. They're a wreck. You think those transnationals give a fuck about individual freedoms? They don't care as long as labor and resources are cheap and they don't have to worry about regulations on pollution. Why do you think China's so popular? You are right about one thing though. Globalisation is misunderstood by most people; those who support it.

And you better fuckin' respond to one of my posts. I'm starting to think you don't have a counter or something.

[Goldfinger]

I agree with Sol. people should have the freedom to run small busniesses, but they shouldn't get so big that competition is impossible. Everyone should keep their rights to make a decent living.

That's what social democracy stands for. Please mention one social democratic system that hasn't worked, would you? I'm living in one myself, and I don't have any complaints (exept that all parties in Norway are corrupt and capitalist at the moment).

[IHP]

"What a load of yarblockos"

HI, some malchicks certainly express themselves gloopywise.

--IHP

[DisruptiveBehaviour]

BEC . I wouldn't say that SN is your big gun, or else Vox would be the commies bazooka.