Obama

[Bud Struggle]

Communists Party of the US endorses Obama!

Well, in a kind of back handed way. They do seem to like him. :D

http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/907/1/4/

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Well, the CPUSA are notorious for endorsing anyone who isn't republican. In this case though, they actually explicitly state that they endorse no particular candidate, so you've got your article arse backward really.

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

Well, the CPUSA are notorious for endorsing anyone who isn't republican. In this case though, they actually explicitly state that they endorse no particular candidate, so you've got your article arse backward really.

-Alex

Haven't been a "fan" of the CPUSA since the Guss Hall days --until I happened upon this site. Sorry if I missed some fun.

I once met your boy Gus at Smokey Mary's in NYC at a nice Episcopalian ceremony.

Lovely man--as far as the future holds--he was the embodiment of all that is Communism.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

You've totally lost me man. :)

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

You've totally lost me man. :)

-Alex

Gus Hall was the perennial Communist canidate for president of the United States.

He WAS the vanguard.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

How awful. A communist, running for president? Contradiction, much?

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

Gus was "America's Commie!"

He ran for president four times, in 1972, 1976, 1980, and 1984, the last two times with Angela Davis. Due to the great expense of running, the difficulty in meeting the strenuous and different election-law provisions in each state, and the difficulty in getting media coverage, it was decided that the CPUSA would suspend running national campaigns, while continuing to run candidates at the local level.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gus_Hall

[redSHARP]

i think the CPUSA is grounded in realism. their programs especially in the Bronx are based off empowering the working class people towards solving local problems and actions. They also dropped an outward revolutionary rhetoric, so they can sell communist ideals better. I really like their angle, but i think they are losing ground tothe more radical Revolutionary Communist Party. but i havent actually seen any RCP in NYC and i havent seen shit done by them in general, so will continue backing the CPUSA.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Hearts are in the right place, but they are reformists to the core.

-Alex

[Bud Struggle]

Hearts are in the right place, but they are reformists to the core.

-Alex

I can't speak for Communism in Britian or in Europe--but Communism in the US was KILLED DEAD by the McCarthy hearings. I mean DESTROYED.

Gus and the CPUSA put a human face on Communism in a time when all Communism meant to 99.9% of Americans was nuclear death.

[redSHARP]

there are reformists, but can communism ever really be sold to a common american? i say lets make due and try to get something off the ground.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

I can't speak for Communism in Britian or in Europe--but Communism in the US was KILLED DEAD by the McCarthy hearings. I mean DESTROYED.

Gus and the CPUSA put a human face on Communism in a time when all Communism meant to 99.9% of Americans was nuclear death.


Mmm, and there's a historical debate to be had about how to react in times of extreme oppression - I happen to think that conceding ground doesn't really work, and that actually, times like the Mcarthy hearings can push a normal situation into a revolutionary situation. It's perfectly debatable though, it may well be that compromsie is a better solution.

Now, however, there's no excuse for it. Anti-communist bigots are not as omnipresent as they were yesteryear, we can be honest about what we want now.


there are reformists, but can communism ever really be sold to a common american? i say lets make due and try to get something off the ground.

As unlikely as it might seem, revolutions do have a habit of springing out where they seem impossible. Even Lenin resigned himself to the prospect that he wouldn't live to see one.

I fully agree with you on getting something off the ground, I am a pragmatist, but in the long run, the politics of the CPUSA are not revolutionary, and we should not ally ourselves with them too closely for that reason.

-Alex

[Die Neue Zeit]

Speaking of Obama, the only good thing that may come out of him is the Employee Free Choice Act. :)

[redSHARP]

Speaking of Obama, the only good thing that may come out of him is the Employee Free Choice Act. :)


what is that exactly?

[Die Neue Zeit]

http://www.revleft.com/vb/employee-free-choice-t77995/index.html
http://www.revleft.com/vb/employee-free-choice-t71654/index.html

[Kami]

CHANGE! HOPE! CHANGE! HOPE! (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/obama_on_fisa_telecom_immunity.php)

It's amusing to watch some of his most vocal internet advocates drop their support upon realising that they've been supporting more of the same while criticising others of doing exactly that.

[redSHARP]

i noticed that some obama supporters are really stuck up fucks who really dont know his track record. all i know is that he is the strongest pro-labor advocate out there (though edwards had a much better track record with that). plus obamka has the usual "anti-war thing" going for him. beyond that i dont see much for him.

what is his stance on health care and other programs like that?

[Svante]

we need t o help Obama get elected t o Presiident.:cool:

[Dimentio]

I dream of Chris Crocker as US president.

That will be like reviving Elagabalus.

[Hit The North]

Obama stole my catchphrase. :(