Palestinian"terrorists" and israeli"hero's" - what makes u a

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

Damn the western world. Wich is fighting"terrorism" but still supports Israel who invades every week a palestenian village. Every week there are a few palestinian deaths but they are so regularly that not one tvstations reports it anymore. But when even an israeli soldier dies in axn the killers are considerd terrorists. a isreali kills 3 palestinian is considerd as a hero. recently the wife of the president of the world bank hung up a paslestinian flag as support on her balcony and the jew organisations in america where protesting and threatning to withdraw each jew client out of the world bank and to pressure isreal government to never go in bussiness with the worldbank. The flag would raise a feeling of anger against jew although the morons spoke.

So why is it ok to storm into a palestinian village killing ppl and not ok to hung up a palestinian flag??

What makes someone who places a charge and blows up ppl to "terrorist' or to a "freedomfighter" arent the palestinian fighting for freedom. At their land that has been bruatly taken by Zionistst??

[Guest]

to the guy that damed the western world for beig silnet while israel invades a palestenian vilage i just want to say , that you dont live in israel , i do , you dont know the fear of going on a buss thinking is this the last buss i will ever take . you dont know the feeling of sitting in a cafe , and thinking after every sip of coffe , maybe it is my last ever .
i am not denieng that inocent palesteniens are killed in the Israely Army's actions , but understand this , this is WAR , and how sad does it sound , WAR is not beuatiful . inecont people are killed . the same in world war two , dow you know how many inocent germans were killed , milions , my father , he is german , he was a bayby when the war started , at the end of the war he had no home , his father wasn't SS . he wasn't a nazi , he was an inocent Dentist that wanted to make a living . and yet the world understands that there home was destroyed . my father didnt bomb any Cafes in london on reaction , didnt kidnap any airoplanes .
i dont consider my self Fashist , i am not even Jewish , i want peace , i even consder my self a left activest , a socialist , i dont hate any palesteniens , i dream of a day that we will all live peacfully together , but as long the terorism contineous , so does the israeky right to protect itself from farther terortst atacks .
so next time when you want to kondem the isrealy action , please think twice , and you will discover that you dont know shit ...

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

To the guest

Im afgan. I have been bombed a few times. So dont tell me how war looks like. And dont you think that a palestinian life is harder than an israeli. They dont even cafes anymore thanx to the israeli army.And they have to be inside at 7 o'clock. And it was the israeli ppl who started bombing that was before the army and the state israel excisted. The zionists did this because they hadnt got enough soldiers weapons andso. So the ironic thing is that the way that israel is born is also their biggest problem. And bett that there wasnt any fuckin mujahideen and CIA shooting at you from the mountains.

[Tkinter1]

"Im afgan."

You neither live in Afghanistan nor are you Afghan
"I have been bombed a few times."

No you haven't

"And dont you think that a palestinian life is harder than an israeli. They dont even cafes anymore thanx to the israeli army."

Yeah life is harder for SOME of them, but not solely becuase of the israeli army. Im sure I could find at least one cafe in Palestine as well

"And it was the israeli ppl who started bombing that was before the army and the state israel excisted."

And why do you think that they are bombing? Seriously.


"The zionists did this because they hadnt got enough soldiers weapons andso. So the ironic thing is that the way that israel is born is also their biggest problem."

lol, lets put this in a coherent manner so it can be addressed.

"And bett that there wasnt any fuckin mujahideen and CIA shooting at you from the mountains."
what are you talking about?

(Edited by Tkinter1 at 1:37 am on Nov. 3, 2002)

[American Kid]

I'll say this much:

A Palestinian detonates a bomb in Israel and kills three people, it gets a big splash front page on The New York Post.

But when an Israeli helicopter mis-fires and hits a bedroom full of little Palestinian kids and kills them all, it's usually found in the margin of page three or four.

No bullshit. I've seen it happen.

I'm not for suicide bombers. I think it's an asinine practice and the people who do them are fucking idiots, and in time history will come to look down likewise onto them as such. So fuck them.

But there is a bias.
-AK

[Guest]

Anyone who gives their life for their beliefs is hero and martyr, Israeli's are doing neither right now by killing non-combatents, and losing no lives, and have no beliefs they're fighting for. I certainly hope a suicide bomber finds his way to sharon.

[Solzhenitsyn]

But when an Israeli helicopter mis-fires and hits a bedroom full of little Palestinian kids and kills them all, it's usually found in the margin of page three or four.

What's even more disturbing to me is all the mass violence and outright theft perpetrated by the Israeli settlers in the West Bank. Seven Palestinians were shot the other day for the crime of harvesting olives. Their olives are being stolen by Isreali settlers which are indirectly financed by the U.S. government. Olives are many Palestinians only source of income. Not one piece of news in the major media covering the story. We all know the reason why these stories aren't being reported but let's not talk about it.



(Edited by Solzhenitsyn at 10:09 pm on Nov. 2, 2002)

[suffianr]

And why not, Solzhenitsyn?

[new democracy]

thine stalin, fuck you. i agree with the isreali guy. i live im israel and i know what's it like. however, i don't support israeli state terrorism either.

[Stormin Norman]

Do you know anyone who has died as a result of homocide bombers?

[Non-Sectarian Bastard!]

First of all Im afgan.

I'v been bombed in '89 when kabul came under fire. I was then just 3 years old and saw the first deaths of my life. Soon more would follow. So thats bullshit what u are saying. And i'v been bombed by groups under heavy support of the CIA,Arabian and Pakistan secret service,MI6 but i don't say you must bomb those countries. And why is it ok with you that a the palestinian nations lives in refugee city's already for 40years. When the first isreali came they made a mistake. They kcked the palestinian out of there homes and made it to israel. So i can understand the anger of the Palestinian. So when a good thing was born(a homeland for jews without racism against them) the palestinian where made victim.

[new democracy]

Quote: from Stormin Norman on 12:23 pm on Nov. 3, 2002
Do you know anyone who has died as a result of homocide bombers?

no. i live in haifa, which is a victim of terrorism, but pretty safe when it compared to tel aviv. however, my father knew some guy that died in a terrorist attack. he was walking in the street, than some bomb exploed(at that time sucide bombing was rare and putting bombs in the streets was more common)and he got a heart attack from the shock. i think blasphemy knows someone that died in a terrorist attack.

[canikickit]

I saw a documentry made by John Pilger (I forget it's name but it was on BBC a while ago). In it the Jewish father of a victim of a suicide bomber said these words:

"The boy who committed suicide was as much a victim as my dauther. You have to understand where they come from. Understanding is part of the way to solve the problem."

I think that if a man whose daughter was viciously killed in this fashion, can find it in his heart and head to see things from the perspective of the Palestinians, somebody with no direct emotional involvement should also. Anybody who can't needs to re-assess their intelligence.

The man said he did not forgive, he did not forget, but he understood.

(Edited by canikickit at 12:13 am on Nov. 14, 2002)

[Umoja]

You want names of dead Palestinians. Here is a letter from a Kenyan Newspaper, "The Daily Nation" You can check out the back issue of it on www.nationaudio.com


Letter
Thursday, January 24, 2002

Biased media mislead the world
When, on January 9, four Israeli soldiers were killed by Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip (which is Palestinian territory under Israeli occupation since 1967), the story captured headlines in the mainstream Western media.
They reported that the incident marked a "return to violence after three weeks of relative quiet" and that it was a "flagrant violation of the promise by Islamic militants not to carry out further attacks against Israelis."
As expected, the Israeli forces immediately went on the rampage with further incursions into the occupied territories and destroyed more than 70 civilian homes, leaving more than 700 people homeless. Israel justifies these actions, which in reality are war crimes under the Geneva Conventions, under cover of apprehending terrorists. In the case of the attack of 9 January, those who killed the four Israeli combatants were themselves killed in the gun battle, so which "terrorists" was Israel punishing when it went on to demolish Palestinian homes, causing so much misery to civilians?
What is most amazing about this incident is the way the story was broken by the media. The three weeks of "relative quiet" referred to actually started last December 16, when Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat made his call for an end to all Israeli and Palestinian violence.
During this period of "relative quiet", at least 28 Palestinians were killed by Israeli soldiers, most of them unarmed civilians, 11 of them children. During this period 12-year-old Muhammad Huneidek was shot dead by Israeli soldiers at a checkpoint in Gaza strip and13-year old Rami Khamis was shot in the head by Israeli soldiers while playing near his home in Rafah, Gaza. Still, during this period of "relative quiet" three Palestinian children were killed by the Israeli occupation forces in the most bizarre of circumstances. Two of the three boys were run over by an Israeli tank. According to autopsy reports, the Israeli tank ran over 15-year old Muhammad Hasan Banat while he was still alive.
None of these deaths received much attention from the mainstream media, giving the impression that calm for the Israelis is calm for the Palestinians, that killing Palestinian children in their homes is not violence, while killing Israeli soldiers in a land they occupy is violence.
How is the international community to comprehend these double standards and hypocritical reporting by the mainstream Western media, completely disregarding the anguish the Palestinians are going through under the world's longest military occupation?
As a matter of interest, news media are rolling stories of members of the destroyed Taliban regime, together with the Al Qaeda fighters, being flown in chains, under sedation and hooded, to a detention camp in Cuba without the rights accorded to prisoners of war under the pretext that they are illegal combatants, not prisoners of war.
What, then, is the legal status of combatants of an army occupying foreign land, demolishing homes and killing innocent civilians in defiance of all international conventions and United Nations resolutions?
MOHAMEDALI A. HARUNANY,
Mombasa.

[genniva]

Why are the Israeli 'heroes'?

Read your history. Read it again. Christianity, as it was practiced all through the Middle Ages and even Renaissance, forbade lending money for profit (and in theory, it's still frowned upon). So Jews, with a religion much more understanding of monetary realities, became the bankers of Europe, and, as Christian civilization spread over a large part of the planet, the bankers of the Western world. Even in the 21th century, most major players in the Big Money world are of Jewish descent.

Sadly, this Capitalist 'democracy' is not the power of the people, it's the power of the biggest bank account. Thus the Israelis become heroes because their supporters can pay, and the Palestinians become terrorists because no one of any 'worth' cares about them --

[Navid Communist]

Quote: from CCCP on 7:16 pm on Nov. 3, 2002
First of all Im afgan.

I'v been bombed in '89 when kabul came under fire. I was then just 3 years old and saw the first deaths of my life. Soon more would follow. So thats bullshit what u are saying. And i'v been bombed by groups under heavy support of the CIA,Arabian and Pakistan secret service,MI6 but i don't say you must bomb those countries. And why is it ok with you that a the palestinian nations lives in refugee city's already for 40years. When the first isreali came they made a mistake. They kcked the palestinian out of there homes and made it to israel. So i can understand the anger of the Palestinian. So when a good thing was born(a homeland for jews without racism against them) the palestinian where made victim.


I belive u. I was my selfbombed during Iran-Irak war I was only 2 but I know how it is. As much as the civilians in Israel fear suicide bombers the Palestinina civilians fear the Israel forces but the diffrence is that the suicide bombers are individual people but Israel are a whole state and really Israel that is a state should do something more then invade Palestine cause that solves nothing. Killing sloves nothing.

[Jaha]

i find all this very interesting but to address the topic at hand.

if a government (with the implied will of the people) kills, it is justice, it is policing, it is right.

if a group other than the governement (without the implied will of the people) kills, it is terrorism, it is wrong, it is bad.

that is the bias. the bias is crap. let true democracy show the bias to be false! let the will of the people speak for itself!

[Mazdak]

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[techguru]

look, does this original question have to be asked.
mazdaks post explained it all man.

usa=israel=usa=israel.

usa - "you do what we say or you are dead"
examples - all of latin america, libya, and whoever else cant defend themselves.

without major outside international help (e.g. a mass movement in the usa) the palestinians situation is completely 100% hopeless