I hate this time of year

[Ele'ill]

I'm tired of people saying I should vote for Obama. They say 'its better than a republican' and that 'a little good is better than more of the same bullshit' but I would feel like I'm on some MTV reality show where the commercials in between give out free seizures.
I don't consider Obama to be very progressive and the larger issues at hand that I feel are important have not been brought up once publicly.
I came up with a sentence the other week while drinking at a pub in down town Bangor Maine. Every rapist has held the door and smiled for someone.

I guess I'd like to know what some of you say to people when asked why you don't vote.

[EscapeFromSF]

I should caution you against any analogy between Barack Obama and a rapist. Rape, really meaning any relationship with a white woman, consensual or not, was a rationalization for lynching black men in the late 19th to early 20th Century. Otherwise, you're right. Obama is not very progressive. I might write in Cynthia MacKinnon.

[Dros]

I should caution you against any analogy between Barack Obama and a rapist. Rape, really meaning any relationship with a white woman, consensual or not, was a rationalization for lynching black men in the late 19th to early 20th Century. Otherwise, you're right. Obama is not very progressive. I might write in Cynthia MacKinnon.

Shut up.

We all know that. That doesn't mean that the metaphorical argument is invalid or that it is even mildly offensive. It simply isn't to any rationally minded individual.

That would be like saying to someone wearing a t-shirt, "you really shouldn't wear that t-shirt, historically, the KKK used to wear white clothes when they lynched people" or tell a waiter to take off their brown uniform because Hitler had his brown shirts wearing brown prior to the Holocaust.

[RHIZOMES]

I don't vote because I'm underage.

When I am 18 however, I will vote Worker's Party. :D

[Holden Caulfield]

im not going to vote in the general election in the UK i think the tories winning could be the best thing to happen to the labour party in years,

i voted labour in the local ones (no socialist parties stood in my entire county) just to keep the BNP out of my area

[Kami]

im not going to vote in the general election in the UK i think the tories winning could be the best thing to happen to the labour party in years,
Aye, that's likely right; the tide is turning against "New" Labour already. Unfortunately, I really don't want to go through 5 years of the Tories in power -.-

[Cult of Reason]

Nor do I. There is the terrifying prospect that Labour might try cosying up to us normal people again. Ugh.

[IcarusAngel]

Who the hell is Cythina Mckinnon? I know a Cynthia McKinney is running, and I guess I'll vote for her if she gets the green party's nomination. Or maybe Nader.

The difference:

Nader Obama/Clinton McCain [on the table or off the table]
Adopt single payer health insurance On the table Off the table Off the table
Cut the huge, bloated, wasteful military budget On the table Off the table Off the table
No to nuclear power, solar energy first On the table Off the table Off the table
Aggressive crackdown on corporate crime and corporate welfare the table Off the table Off the table
Open up the Presidential debates On the table Off the table Off the table
Adopt a carbon pollution tax On the table Off the table Off the table
Reveruse US policy in the Middle East On the table Off the table Off the table
Impeach Bush/Cheney On the table Off the table Off the table
Repeal the taft-hartley anti-union law On the table Off the table Off the table
Adopt a Wall Street securities speculation tax On the table Off the table Off the table
Put an end to ballot access obstructionism On the table Off the table Off the table
Work to end corporate personhood On the table Off the table Off the table
http://www.votenader.org/issues/

[Kami]

Nice little comparison, but he's against nuclear power? That'd be a huge black mark in my books.

[IcarusAngel]

Yeah. I think he was part of the 70s anti-nuclear campaign as well.

Anyway, to be fair, here is a list of good reasons to vote Republican this year, the kind of arguments a TomK would be likely to use:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiQJ9Xp0xxU

[Bud Struggle]

Who the hell is Cythina Mckinnon?

[Picture edited out.]


That's who she is. A one topic kind of person.

I am going to vote for Obama myself. America needs a change.

[apathy maybe]

http://i.pbase.com/o4/27/560527/1/58865193.racecard.jpg

That's who she is. A one topic kind of person.

I am going to vote for Obama myself. America needs a change.

Fuck Obama, he's a fucking ****. He is a do gooding little shit. Sorta like most of the politicians on the so called "liberal left" in the US. They sound better then the crazy right, but they aren't ever going to produce real change.

What's the difference between the Democrats and the Republicans? The Republicans say "we are going to bomb you" and they do, the Democrats say "we aren't going to bomb you" and they do. (Remember Bill Clinton anyone?)

What is Obama fundamentally going to change about the system? The poor will still going to be poor, USAID still won't give money to anything promoting condom use etc.

Fuck all those ****s.

[Bud Struggle]

There won't be ANY change with Obama--but instead of America presenting another old white man to the world as it's leader--it will present a handsome black guy that they can identify with.

America has had some BAD public relations in the last couple of years but Obama could change the world's perception of America in a heartbeat. The big American companies will still be the big American companies, the US Army will still be the US Army and the State Department will be the State Department, things will be done the same--but we will have a reall cool guy as president and America will bo back to being universally loved.

America will be the same, but people will trust us again.

Is that a great plan, or what? :)

[pusher robot]

How can you hate election season?

It's the most wonderful time of the year!

It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year
With the TV news polling
And everyone scolding you "Your guy's a queer!"
It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year
It's the hap -happiest season of all
With those robo-call greetings and gay town-hall meetings
When pols come to call
It's the hap - happiest season of all

There'll be parties for hosting
And donors for toasting
And stump speeches out in the snow
There'll be scary smear stories
And tales of the glories of
Candidates long, long ago

It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year
There'll be much moan-and-groaning
And hearts will be knowing
The lies that we hear
It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year

[zelda]

Enough on Obama already! The man doesn't know all he seems to think he does.

[Red October]

There won't be ANY change with Obama--but instead of America presenting another old white man to the world as it's leader--it will present a handsome black guy that they can identify with.

America has had some BAD public relations in the last couple of years but Obama could change the world's perception of America in a heartbeat. The big American companies will still be the big American companies, the US Army will still be the US Army and the State Department will be the State Department, things will be done the same--but we will have a reall cool guy as president and America will bo back to being universally loved.

America will be the same, but people will trust us again.

Is that a great plan, or what? :)

This is the real danger of the Obama campaign. His politics are really no different than Hillary Clinton's, and only marginally different than the Republican Party, but there's a huge aesthetic difference in the way he projects himself. Apart from that, his foreign policy is horribly imperialist, though I think he would probably reorient it's focus away from the Middle East and back to Latin America. The promises he makes about social security, healthcare, and education are all totally impractical too, so I think if he gets elected, his presidency will be a huge letdown for Americans.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

You're a fool if you think bourgeouis elections change anything.

[Bud Struggle]

You're a fool if you think bourgeouis elections change anything.

EXACTLY!

But that's the plan!

And it's going to work.

[Wake Up]

On the subject of McCain, would I be right in saying that he is likely to clamp down on Guantanemo bay and 'Advanced' interrogation techniques because of experience as a POW in Vietnam?

[Bud Struggle]

On the subject of McCain, would I be right in saying that he is likely to clamp down on Guantanemo bay and 'Advanced' interrogation techniques because of experience as a POW in Vietnam?

Both Obama and McCain promise to stop it. It also helps that the interrogation doesn't work either.:rolleyes:

[Wake Up]

Interesting, although I would believe McCain over Obama on this front.

[IcarusAngel]

Gitmo is nowhere near as bad as the going slaughter in Iraq.

Second, McCain is a pussy and a flip-flopper. He's flip-flopped on tax cuts, the environment, and on torture as well. He's now all for Gitmo.

[RedKnight]

The Communist Party U.S.A. supports voting for Democratic candidates, in order to counter the "ultra-Right". http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/907/1/4/ I myself oppose voting in bourgeois elections, unless it is a part of a popular front strategy in defeating a Fascist Right threat, like the BNP.