OI'ers Crtique of the left on Revleft??

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Would you say on Revleft there is a large amount of supposed leftists, who are essentially Muslim hating paedophile 'rights' supporters?

Do restricted members feel okay posting here knowing that a large portion of revleft supports paedophiles posting here?

It makes most of the rest of us feel sick.

[Demogorgon]

I hardly thing this board is paedophile supporting. Somebody claiming to be a paedophile made some odd posts and got banned. There was a spot of debate over how to handle such cases and life goes on.

Mind you, there is a lot of problems with so called leftists on this board. Racism springs to mind as does overly-utopian thinking.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Yeah i was just angry when i saw the CC poll and the number of case by case votes. I mean, they're paedophiles. like, wtf?

[Kami]

Mind you, there is a lot of problems with so called leftists on this board. Racism springs to mind as does overly-utopian thinking.Technophobia and irrational adherence of party lines would come high too.

Yeah i was just angry when i saw the CC poll and the number of case by case votes. I mean, they're paedophiles. like, wtf?


Thinking things should be judged case by case isn't the same as supporting paedophilia.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

We dont stop them thinking , they dont need to post here though. God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Demogorgon]

Yeah i was just angry when i saw the CC poll and the number of case by case votes. I mean, they're paedophiles. like, wtf?

We shouldn't really be discussing this here, but I voted for a case by case approach because that is the way I always vote on everything. I think all decisions have to be made on such a basis, it had nothing to do with the issue under discussion.

Even if one of my pet issue were to come up like a vote on dealing with Islamophobes or other racists currently tolerated, I would still vote to decide things on a case by case basis.

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

So you would support a case by case approach for Nazi and fascists?

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Islamophobia isn't racism. Islam is a religion, not a race.

-Alex

[Demogorgon]

So you would support a case by case approach for Nazi and fascists?

In theory yes, though I would always vote to ban them. However I don't think we have ever had such a person come here who wasn't here simply to cause trouble anyway so it is acceptable just to get rid of them for trolling. No need for trolls to get ten days trolling time before we kick them.

I believe, as I have said many times before that all cases of bans and especially restrictions have to be examined individually. Before we brought in that rule, people were getting restricted based on false accusations all the time.

[Demogorgon]

Islamophobia isn't racism. Islam is a religion, not a race.

-Alex

What is a race according to you?

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Well, perceived genetic groups. Not religions.

-Alex

[Demogorgon]

Well, perceived genetic groups. Not religions.

-Alex

Well if the groups are perceived, why can't religious groups be perceived in such terms?

Are you going to argue that anti-semitism is not a form of racism?

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Lol, there is only one logical conclusion to this Alex. You are going to find a coherent definition of race, that can be accepted as accurate and from a leftists position, whilst also being able to reject Muslims being counted.

Sorry, but i don't have much hope for you. :tt2:

[Jazzratt]

So far I don't see a lot of OIer objections, just bcs ranting, tabloid style, about how evil us PC-gone-mad types are supporting paedophiles raping his kids (or something.).

Also islamaphobia becomes racism the day that any cracker that happens to shout "allahu ackbar" immediately loses all their white privilege.

[Bud Struggle]

Would you say on Revleft there is a large amount of supposed leftists, who are essentially Muslim hating paedophile 'rights' supporters?

Do restricted members feel okay posting here knowing that a large portion of revleft supports paedophiles posting here?

It makes most of the rest of us feel sick.


We aren't allowed in the house so we never saw the poll (I don't think.)

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

So far I don't see a lot of OIer objections, just bcs ranting, tabloid style, about how evil us PC-gone-mad types are supporting paedophiles raping his kids (or something.).

Also islamaphobia becomes racism the day that any cracker that happens to shout "allahu ackbar" immediately loses all their white privilege.

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I think islamophobia is wrong, you don't, yet im supposedly attacking "you" PC gone made types?

get with it you idiot.

You just probably don't understand that paedophiles pursue people they find attractive like any other human being. You probably are just about stupid enough to accept their word that, they don't, which is very convenient.

If you actually knew how many men travel too developing countries and ruin people's lives, then you might be less PC towards paedophiles, and more in touch with reality.

[Jazzratt]

I think you have got the wrong end of the stick. I think islamophobia is wrong, you don't, yet im supposedly attacking "you" PC gone made types?

Show me all these poor oppressed white dudes. Please, do.


get with it you idiot.

Go fuck yourself you halfwit troglodyte.


You just probably don't understand that paedophiles pursue people they find attractive like any other human being. You probably are just about stupid enough to accept their word that, they don't, which is very convenient.

(Non bold) Ah, I can see why you're so supportive of Islam. The reason they demand that women cover themselves is they believe men incapable of controlling themselves, at once condemning women as vile temptresses and men as uncontrollable beasts. You seem to subscribe entirely to the "uncontrollable beast" thing, which is probably why you don't understand why it is possible for a paedophile to avoid molesting children.

(Bold) I accept their word for it because I come from a tradition of innocent until proven guilty - a tradition that has been pretty much standard in the world for centuries.


If you actually knew how many men travel too developing countries and ruin people's lives, then you might be less PC towards paedophiles, and more in touch with reality.


I don't need to read the Sun to be "in touch with reality", although it seems you do.

[pusher robot]

Would you say on Revleft there is a large amount of supposed leftists, who are essentially Muslim hating paedophile 'rights' supporters?

Do restricted members feel okay posting here knowing that a large portion of revleft supports paedophiles posting here?

It makes most of the rest of us feel sick.

If you don't let pedos post here, how are you going to tell them how wrong they are?

[Bud Struggle]

Well, I'm not quite current on the discussion, but child molestation is a sick thing and should be stopped.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=1498

(I'm not quite sure what this has to do with Muslems.)

[bloody_capitalist_sham]

Show me all these poor oppressed white dudes. Please, do. Bosnian Muslims are white.

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t641/T641734A.jpg


Go fuck yourself you halfwit troglodyte.shouldn't that be "go fuck a six year old....." or something?




(Non bold) Ah, I can see why you're so supportive of Islam. The reason they demand that women cover themselves is they believe men incapable of controlling themselves, at once condemning women as vile temptresses and men as uncontrollable beasts. You seem to subscribe entirely to the "uncontrollable beast" thing, which is probably why you don't understand why it is possible for a paedophile to avoid molesting children.You seem to be putting words in my mouth, and you seem to subscribe to the methodology of BS.

You seem to think Paedophiles are in control, do you mind explaining all the hundreds of thousands of children in the sex tourism industry, if all these paedophiles are refraining?



(Bold) I accept their word for it because I come from a tradition of innocent until proven guilty - a tradition that has been pretty much standard in the world for centuries.Lol. so you accept that members of the British National PArty, who were found not guilty of being racist when put on trial in england, are not actually a racist party? Do you think they are innocent or guilty of incitement to race hate?




I don't need to read the Sun to be "in touch with reality", although it seems you do.

I did a module about sex tourism for my degree, and very many European and American men especially, purchase children for sex. I'm not saying these people are "evil", i am saying they are of extreme risk to children. A common facet too almost all human societies.

[Peacekeeper]

Bosnian Muslims are white.

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t641/T641734A.jpg



:crying:
Indeed, indeed.

[Wake Up]

I'm not sure what the issue is here.
Are you trying to suggest that left wingers support peadophilia?
or Racism for that matter?


On the subject of racism and islam, racism is a form of prejudice just as islamaphobia is.
prejudice towards someone because of their colour, religion or nationality etc is one and the same.

[Zurdito]

Well if the groups are perceived, why can't religious groups be perceived in such terms?

Are you going to argue that anti-semitism is not a form of racism?

Anti-semitism applies to people with Jewish ancestry, regardless of their religious beleifs.

Regarding whether Islam is a race/ethnicity: I'll tell you the difference between islamophobia and racism:

If you live in Britain as part of a community, for example, descended from countries until recently part of the British empire, then chances are you are structurally disadvantaged due to the way you've been historically integrated into the working class, due to political and historical reasons. This applies to people form those communities, for exmaple Paksitani or Bangladeshi communities, whether or not they areatheist or Muslim or something else.

A white guy who converts to Islam doesn't suffer the same thing.

Islam is a rleigion, it is cross-communtiy, there's no common language, no common region in the world where "Muslims" are descended from in recent historical terms. These thigns make up a percieved race or ethnicity and due to the way the world is divided into imeprialist blocs and semi-colonies, they matter a lot.

Professed religion does not.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Well if the groups are perceived, why can't religious groups be perceived in such terms?

They are perceived, but in order to describe it as "race" I think the perception has to be at least linked with biology and genetics.


Are you going to argue that anti-semitism is not a form of racism?

Mmm, yeah, I think so. "Jewish" is not a race, it is a religion. Of course, Judaism is a somewhat different issue, because some atheists will still refer to themselves as jewish by heritage... but you can see my point?

-Alex

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Lol, there is only one logical conclusion to this Alex. You are going to find a coherent definition of race, that can be accepted as accurate and from a leftists position, whilst also being able to reject Muslims being counted.

Sorry, but i don't have much hope for you.


Good for you mate.

-Alex

[chimx]

Islamophobia isn't racism. Islam is a religion, not a race.

-Alex

Islam is a cultural characteristic of a distinct ethnic population. By singling out Islam, it has the effect of singling out the ethnic population culturally tied to Islam -- so yes, it is a way of attacking an ethnic group under the pretenses of anti-theism, but it is still racist.

[PRC-UTE]

Islam is a cultural characteristic of a distinct ethnic population. By singling out Islam, it has the effect of singling out the ethnic population culturally tied to Islam -- so yes, it is a way of attacking an ethnic group under the pretenses of anti-theism, but it is still racist.

Well said.

[Dros]

I mean, they're paedophiles. like, wtf?

To anyone here with some perspective, this might remind them of what was said about gay people even fifteen years ago by most of the left movement.

Pedophilia is a complicated issue. There is nothing morally wrong with having fantasies. Although it is "abnormal" any leftist would not penalize that person for such things. That's very different from raping young children. My point is not that child molestation is okay, but that this is a complex issue that you need to really consider instead of being moralistic and puritanical.

[Bud Struggle]

I agree, of course that these are sick people. But there is also a modicum of evil in their actions. You can have any sorts of fantasies you'd like--but when you translate it into hurting people--it has to be stopped.

Same as the the sociopath that has no problem with murdering a little old lady for $10. Is there a psychologocal problem there? Most likely. But is it more important that society stops the guy from killing than it is he be understood and treated? I would think--yes.

The greater good of society is what is important.

On the other hand, two concenting gays having sex is nobodies business but their own. People aren't killed or children aren't psychologically maimed. No one is hurt. There's a big difference.

[BurnTheOliveTree]

Islam is a cultural characteristic of a distinct ethnic population. By singling out Islam, it has the effect of singling out the ethnic population culturally tied to Islam -- so yes, it is a way of attacking an ethnic group under the pretenses of anti-theism, but it is still racist.


Not really. Islam spans multiple cultures and "ethnicities", and only the right-wing hacks islamophobia has any hint of being race-related. I suppose I could call myself an islamophobe, in the sense that I find the religion Islam abhorrent. Am I a racist?

-Alex

[Invader Zim]

Well if the groups are perceived, why can't religious groups be perceived in such terms?

Are you going to argue that anti-semitism is not a form of racism?

Not this argument again. A race is a social construct defined by broad ethnic heritage; a religion is defined by belief in a deity.

Islam =/= race

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[Led Zeppelin]

Not this argument again. A race is a social construct defined by broad ethnic heritage; a religion is defined by belief in a deity.

Islam =/= race

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Why do people assume I'm a Muslim based on nothing but my ethnic heritage?

[Invader Zim]

Why do people assume I'm a Muslim based on nothing but my ethnic heritage?


Ignorance over familiarity. They assume that most people from 'x' region hold 'y' belief, if you come from 'x' they assume that you fit the general trend.

Why do people not assume that I am a Christian despite the fact that my heritage is Northern European? Familiarity over ignorance. The changing nature of religious norms in the West, and knowledge of the rise of athiesm and the growth of other religions within the west means that old stereotypes are typically far less accurate, as such they aren't employed.

The fact that your, and my, heritage does not dicate our beliefs in the supernatural rather proves my point.

[Peacekeeper]

Islam is a cultural characteristic of a distinct ethnic population. By singling out Islam, it has the effect of singling out the ethnic population culturally tied to Islam -- so yes, it is a way of attacking an ethnic group under the pretenses of anti-theism, but it is still racist.

No... in fact, one thing that we do all the time is separate ethnic culture from Islam, so as to preserve both.

[Bud Struggle]

I don't see any ethnic similarities between a Muslim Albanian, a Muslim Yemen, A Muslim Indonesian or a Muslim Nigerian.

They just practice the same religion.

[Comrade B]

I hate Christianity.
I do not hate Christians.

My stance on this is the same as my stance with Israel.
I hate the country
not the people.

For people who would wish to now make me sound like an anti-Semite, I will give you an example for what I mean. If an Israeli government official is killed, I celebrate. If a group of innocent civilians are killed simply because of their religion, or living in the wrong country, I am saddened by the misdirected rage in the world.

As far as pedophilia goes, to hell with these lunatics. Children do not consent to sex with adults. If one of these nut cases can keep themselves under control, I will tolerate them, but I feel no sympathy.